The Lesson of Esau

[marks]

Agreed. Not being a respector of persons means not showing favoritism I always thought. Grace is grace and not based on merit, or choosing soup over an inheritance. This can also suggest that God's plans or responses are not drafted based on man's good or evil acts, they were already in place. Therefore His hate for Esau or anyone else is a feeling but also a fixed state that reprobates cannot escape ... part of the plan, foreseen by God before the foundation. Oops that's going to start a war against "predestination".

Not being a respector of persons, as I understand it, means that He does not treat the rich or powerful different from the weak and poor. But it doesn't mean He ignores the individuality that He gave to each of us.

You make a good point, Grace is not about the soup or the inheritance. And God choosing to uphold Jacob and tear down Esau determined who would be the heir, and patriarch of Israel.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Malachi 1:3 -
But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”

Malachi 1:4 KJV
4) Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

To be continually opposed by God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

how's that working for you guys? Making sense to you?
lol

God used the volatility of the elder and the scheming of the younger to set the younger before the elder, something He has been known to do. God showed His purposes will stand even in the volatility of the one and the scheming of the other, all serves His purpose.

They struggled together in the womb, and in life, which is the same struggle between those who have the promise, and those who do not.

In the bowl of red stew, Esau chose for himself what he wanted, "despising" his birthright. Not that he had some feeling of abhorance for his birthright, rather, he threw it away as though it were nothing.

And when Jacob supplanted Esau in the blessing of the firstborn, it was behind Esau's back.

What Esau chose, and what others chose, all serve God's hatred of Esau, tearing down whatever he may have. And all served God's love for Jacob, building him up into the patriarch of Israel, though he be the younger.

I love thinking about these things, I'm hoping you may be more forthcoming with your thoughts.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Obadiah 1:1- This is God's judgement on Edom (descendants of Esau).

God wasn't happy with them.

And in the case of Obadiah, it was because they would not help Israel, and they were proud.

God cites His complaint and pronounces His judgment on these whom He has said He hates and opposes. Yet even so, His judgment is just, and they are this way. Both God and Edom own their actions, God opposes them, and they oppose God.

Being chosen in the womb before any of those actions puts God's choices over theirs, though, again, each make their choice.

Much love!

 

[marks]

well, maybe bc we eat red stew too?

I've heard some say it was red lentils, but I don't know the recipe he used.

What does it mean to you to "eat red stew"?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Does He not treat each person fairly in accordance with what each person has chosen to do with what he has been given? Who decides what is "fairly"?

God declares what is fair, of course! :)

He will treat us all fairly, I believe, even so, the old and new covenants work differently.

Much love!

 

[marks]

We need to go by what the Bible says about Esau, and it clearly says that he was NOT s good person in God's estimation: Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. (Hebrews 12:16,17)

The Bible calls Esau " a profane person" (KJB). The Greek word βέβηλος means "ungodly" or "unhallowed". Then we have to look at the history of Israel (from Jacob) and Edom (from Esau). The Edomites were bitter enemies of the Israelites. God put a curse on Edom.

I don't see one good thing said in the Bible about Edom, or the Edomites.

And Hebrews speaks as though these things actually happened, while drawing lessons from it. Not that this was some story told, but a real history of events.

I've known people who were so volatile as to do outrageous things like this. I had a friend some years ago who had a car, and there was a problem with the door, I forget exactly, the lock was sticking, the window didn't crank right, anyway, he literally took a sledgehammer to the car and destroyed it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

ha well the q might be that if it is a telling of actual events, what does it mean to you, marks

we got a barely older brother who sells his birthright for a bowl of "red stew, or he would die" made by his younger, barely, brother, who doesnt eat any, when mom is right across the field, and so the younger barely brother supposedly inherits, only he doesnt, as he is the one who leaves and goes walkabout, while Esau gets the land, or inherits to all appearances, right?

i mean, with some subterfuge about dressing up in sheepskin to appear as Esau, that will only make more sense down the road--way down the road, maybe, the way things are going--but basically thats it (for part 1)

Appearances can be deceiving, of course, the goat skins on Jacob show that also.

And we don't know where Rebekah was, and this isn't her story.

But Esau didn't get the land. After his blessing was given to Jacob, and Jacob was sent to Padamaram, Esau "went to Ishmael" to take wives, and the next we see from him, his is coming from Mt. Seir where he lives to meet Jacob, returning to live in the land promised to him by God.

Much love!

 

[GTW27]

and about part 2 i dunno...i guess when someone identifies the red stew--one guy from here, just one--we can maybe go there
so, what is Red Stew that you gotta eat, or you will die?

Mathew 4 v4

 

[marks]

and about part 2 i dunno...i guess when someone identifies the red stew--one guy from here, just one--we can maybe go there
so, what is Red Stew that you gotta eat, or you will die?

You don't have to if you don't want to, and if you do, well, that's what I've invited you to do, share your thoughts. If you want me to guess them first, well, like I said, it's up to you.

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

And God choosing to uphold Jacob and tear down Esau determined who would be the heir, and patriarch of Israel.

Strangely enough, Jacob was a deceiver and a schemer (along with Rebekah), whereas Esau was merely careless about his birthright, and his god was his belly. So from our standpoint both brothers were unfit for what we see in Scripture about the line of Messiah/Christ.

Yet in God's estimation Jacob would eventually be a man of faith, but Esau would not, and without faith it is impossible to please Him. Indeed Jesus (as the Angel of the LORD taking the form of a man) met Jacob, wrestled with him, and while He put Jacob's thigh out of joint, He blessed him by changing his name to "Israel" (a prince with God and men).

Did Jacob deserve this title? Not really, and it was purely by the grace of God that Jacob was justified and made the ancestor of all the tribes of Israel. Even before the boys were born God said that "the elder shall serve the younger". So God's ways are indeed mysterious.

 

[ScottA]

An invitation to discuss this . . .

@bbyrd009

Should you care to, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Much love!

A lesson can certainly be drawn from the account as written, but more importantly it is not a lesson but a revelation. What is presented is two "nations" or people groups, one characterized like unto Adam (meaning red, or of flesh and blood) and another characterized as a substitute (the meaning of the name Jacob) for him.

The revelation is that for dealing with Adam's sin he was replaced with a substitute whose seed would stand in his (and our) place for the remission of sin.

 

[marks]

Strangely enough, Jacob was a deceiver and a schemer (along with Rebekah), whereas Esau was merely careless about his birthright, and his god was his belly. So from our standpoint both brothers were unfit for what we see in Scripture about the line of Messiah/Christ.

I think Esau is presented as a man who cares for the moment, and to fill his appetites. The birthright did nothing for him "now", so what use was it?

And yes, Rebekah really undermined not only her son but also her husband Isaac, who clearly wanted to bless Esau, and who favored Esau.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

You don't have to if you don't want to, and if you do, well, that's what I've invited you to do, share your thoughts. If you want me to guess them first, well, like I said, it's up to you.

Much love!

Let no man sell the true gospel for the all inclusive bowl of death . The end of such a person wont be good .
Oprah wimphry dont know what she talks about nor does and do many others who lead in this false love many path
lie from HELL . Let no man sell Christ and the gospel for the harlots all inclusive pile of stink .
Be encouraged everyone . Let no man trade in the biblical Christ for the rainbow waving one which aint JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ever get the feeling true christains wont be invited to christmas dinner at many a house .
Embrace Christ , count the cost and preach the truth at all costs . Our only HOPE is CHRIST , IS GOD
and any version of GOD or Christ that contradicts the biblical ONE . IT AINT OF GOD OR OF CHRIST , Its of the devil himself .

 

[ScottA]

A lesson can certainly be drawn from the account as written, but more importantly it is not a lesson but a revelation. What is presented is two "nations" or people groups, one characterized like unto Adam (meaning red, or of flesh and blood) and another characterized as a substitute (the meaning of the name Jacob) for him.

The revelation is that for dealing with Adam's sin he was replaced with a substitute whose seed would stand in his (and our) place for the remission of sin.

Continuing the above explanation, there are many references that can be made to Christ as the story of Jacob and Esau continues. But mainly, the distinction to be noted is that there are seed born unto Adam as a man of sin, and also to those who are born of the Substitute.

 

[Rockerduck]

To understand a bible lesson, first comes the natural(Esau) then the spiritual(Jacob). Just as we were born first natural, then through Christ, became spiritual.

 

[bbyrd009]

You don't have to if you don't want to, and if you do, well, that's what I've invited you to do, share your thoughts. If you want me to guess them first, well, like I said, it's up to you.

Much love!

might seem that im like just being coy or something but see, ive already said, and no one can hear it like that, marks. Its just something that one has to work out i guess, in the context of Jewish/ Christian, OT/NT, sacrifices/I detest your sacrifices, like that

 

[bbyrd009]

A lesson can certainly be drawn from the account as written, but more importantly it is not a lesson but a revelation. What is presented is two "nations" or people groups, one characterized like unto Adam (meaning red, or of flesh and blood) and another characterized as a substitute (the meaning of the name Jacob) for him.

The revelation is that for dealing with Adam's sin he was replaced with a substitute whose seed would stand in his (and our) place for the remission of sin.

Why, oh why, do you imagine that Yah requires any sacrifice to make you acceptable to Him, Scott;
8Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breezeb of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?”
10“I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”
11“Who told you that you were naked?”

Esau needed red stew or he felt he would die.
And so thats what Esau gets

 

[bbyrd009]

I think Esau is presented as a man who cares for the moment, and to fill his appetites. The birthright did nothing for him "now", so what use was it?

ah, the shades of those who seek Death, More Abundantly
yeh
on the money imo :)

And yes, Rebekah really undermined not only her son but also her husband Isaac, who clearly wanted to bless Esau, and who favored Esau

whole tribes of guys with curly locks at their ears tryna breed red heifers right now eh
(and still putting milk and meat on diff shelves in the fridge narf)
the irony is just too rich imo