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INDIVIDUALS VS THE MAJORITY
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- If you enjoy reading the Bible just for reading it, that's great!
- but there is always something to learn!
- You can't stop learning or you are dead!
- Sometimes I write directly on the page, sometimes on a file!
Jim B
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- If you look carefully, you will see it is the continuity of a sentence with an hyphen!
- It was posted while I was writing!
- It was posted while I was writing!
Judges Chapter 18
- The tribe of Dan has not received an inheritance so they send men to spy the land they want to get!
- The men spend the night at the house of Micah!
- They meet the young Levite and ask him questions!
- Then he answers them to go in peace and that God is with them!
- Then the spies spy the land!
- When they come back, they tell everything what they see!
- So 600 Danites get ready to fight!
- Then they go to the house of Micah!
- The five spies go to the house of Micah and take the carved image, the ephod, the teraphim statues and the metal image!
- And they ask the young priest to go with them!
- Micah realizes he can’t do anything against the Danites so he lets the priest go with them!
- They destroy the city of Laish and burn it and rebuild it and settle in it and call it Dan according to their father’s name!
- The tribe of Dan has not received an inheritance so they send men to spy the land they want to get!
- The men spend the night at the house of Micah!
- They meet the young Levite and ask him questions!
- Then he answers them to go in peace and that God is with them!
- Then the spies spy the land!
- When they come back, they tell everything what they see!
- So 600 Danites get ready to fight!
- Then they go to the house of Micah!
- The five spies go to the house of Micah and take the carved image, the ephod, the teraphim statues and the metal image!
- And they ask the young priest to go with them!
- Micah realizes he can’t do anything against the Danites so he lets the priest go with them!
- They destroy the city of Laish and burn it and rebuild it and settle in it and call it Dan according to their father’s name!
Judges Chapter 19
- A Levite takes a concubine as his wife!
- But she is unfaithful to him!
- And she goes to her father’s house!
- She remains there for 4 months!
- Then the Levite goes to see his wife to bring her back!
- He stays there for three days!
- His father-in-law asks him to stay another day!
- The next day it is the same!
- And he finally leaves with his wife!
- They get closed to Jerusalem and spend the night at Gibeah!
- They sit down in the public square of the city!
- But nobody offers them to stay overnight!
- Then an old man who only lives in the city for a while offers them to spend the night at his house and he takes care of them!
- Some men come to the house and want the man to have sex with him!
- But the old man refuses!
- And he offers his daughter and the man’s concubine!
- But they refuse and take the concubine and abuse her all night!
- In the morning the woman comes back to the house and dies!
- So the man cuts her in 12 pieces and sends one piece into each territory of Israel!
- Then the men of Israel take counsel to know what to do!
- A Levite takes a concubine as his wife!
- But she is unfaithful to him!
- And she goes to her father’s house!
- She remains there for 4 months!
- Then the Levite goes to see his wife to bring her back!
- He stays there for three days!
- His father-in-law asks him to stay another day!
- The next day it is the same!
- And he finally leaves with his wife!
- They get closed to Jerusalem and spend the night at Gibeah!
- They sit down in the public square of the city!
- But nobody offers them to stay overnight!
- Then an old man who only lives in the city for a while offers them to spend the night at his house and he takes care of them!
- Some men come to the house and want the man to have sex with him!
- But the old man refuses!
- And he offers his daughter and the man’s concubine!
- But they refuse and take the concubine and abuse her all night!
- In the morning the woman comes back to the house and dies!
- So the man cuts her in 12 pieces and sends one piece into each territory of Israel!
- Then the men of Israel take counsel to know what to do!
Judges Chapter 20
- Israel gathers before God at Mizpah!
- The men of Israel ask the Levite what has happened to his murdered woman!
- As a consequence the men of Israel want to go against the men of Gibeah because of what they have done!
- And they want the men who have acted badly to put them to death!
- But the Benjaminites refuse!
- And they want to fight against Israel!
- So Israel goes to Bethel to inquire of God!
- And God tells them that Judah must lead them!
- And the Benjaminites kill 22,000 men of Israel!
- And Israel is ready to fight again!
- And the Benjaminites kill 18,000 men of israel!
- But God tells Israel to go again against the Benjaminites!
- It seems to be that the Benjaminites are going to win again!
- But Israel retreats so all the Benjaminites leave Gibeah!
- And 10,000 men of Israel go to Gibeah!
- The fighting is heavy!
- And God defeats Benjamin!
- 25,100 Benjaminites are killed!
- Then Israel burn Gibeah!
- The Benjaminites flee but the men of Israel follow them and 18,000 Benjaminites are killed!
- The rest flees into the wilderness!
- Finally 25,000 Benjaminites died this day!
- And Israel stricks the cities of Benjamin and they burn cities!
- Israel gathers before God at Mizpah!
- The men of Israel ask the Levite what has happened to his murdered woman!
- As a consequence the men of Israel want to go against the men of Gibeah because of what they have done!
- And they want the men who have acted badly to put them to death!
- But the Benjaminites refuse!
- And they want to fight against Israel!
- So Israel goes to Bethel to inquire of God!
- And God tells them that Judah must lead them!
- And the Benjaminites kill 22,000 men of Israel!
- And Israel is ready to fight again!
- And the Benjaminites kill 18,000 men of israel!
- But God tells Israel to go again against the Benjaminites!
- It seems to be that the Benjaminites are going to win again!
- But Israel retreats so all the Benjaminites leave Gibeah!
- And 10,000 men of Israel go to Gibeah!
- The fighting is heavy!
- And God defeats Benjamin!
- 25,100 Benjaminites are killed!
- Then Israel burn Gibeah!
- The Benjaminites flee but the men of Israel follow them and 18,000 Benjaminites are killed!
- The rest flees into the wilderness!
- Finally 25,000 Benjaminites died this day!
- And Israel stricks the cities of Benjamin and they burn cities!
Judges Chapter 21
- All the men of Israel swear the oath not to give their daughters to a man from Benjamin as a wife!
- All Israel comes to Bethel to cry out and weep because of the loss of Benjamin!
- And they make an oath that anyone who has not come up to God at Mizpah was to be put to death!
- They learn that the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead have not come!
- So 12,000 men are sent to kill the inhabitants, men, women and children!
- Only the 400 virgins are not to be killed!
- They tell the survivors of Benjamin to go to Shiloh because there is a festival there every year and set an ambush and get women for them!
- The men of Benjamin do it and they go back to their inheritance and rebuild their cities and settle in them!
- All the men of Israel go back to their homes!
- And the chapter ends by the words there was no king in Israel and everybody was doing what was right in his own eyes!
- All the men of Israel swear the oath not to give their daughters to a man from Benjamin as a wife!
- All Israel comes to Bethel to cry out and weep because of the loss of Benjamin!
- And they make an oath that anyone who has not come up to God at Mizpah was to be put to death!
- They learn that the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead have not come!
- So 12,000 men are sent to kill the inhabitants, men, women and children!
- Only the 400 virgins are not to be killed!
- They tell the survivors of Benjamin to go to Shiloh because there is a festival there every year and set an ambush and get women for them!
- The men of Benjamin do it and they go back to their inheritance and rebuild their cities and settle in them!
- All the men of Israel go back to their homes!
- And the chapter ends by the words there was no king in Israel and everybody was doing what was right in his own eyes!
Conclusion of the book of Judges
- Israel didn’t obey God because they made a covenant with the inhabitants of Canaan and they didn’t destroy their altars!
- As a consequence, God let the inhabitants of Canaan stay in the land to ensnare Israel to spiritual prostitution!
- God would choose men to save Israel from time to time!
- But most of the time they would commit spiritual postitution!
- And the book of judges ends saying there was no human king in Israel and everyone was doing what was right in his own eyes!
- In fact, we can say the same everywhere in the Bible!
- In the Bible, Israel was used to committing spiritual prostitution!
- And humanity has always being used to spiritual prostitution!
- Let’s say spiritual prostitution is a specialty of humanity!
- Israel didn’t obey God because they made a covenant with the inhabitants of Canaan and they didn’t destroy their altars!
- As a consequence, God let the inhabitants of Canaan stay in the land to ensnare Israel to spiritual prostitution!
- God would choose men to save Israel from time to time!
- But most of the time they would commit spiritual postitution!
- And the book of judges ends saying there was no human king in Israel and everyone was doing what was right in his own eyes!
- In fact, we can say the same everywhere in the Bible!
- In the Bible, Israel was used to committing spiritual prostitution!
- And humanity has always being used to spiritual prostitution!
- Let’s say spiritual prostitution is a specialty of humanity!
Jim B
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- What is the connection between the book of Judges and the books of Samuel?
- In Judges we get spiritual prostitution and everyone was doing what was right in his own right!
- In Samuel we are told about Samuel’s father who goes to worship and to sacrifice to God in Shiloh from year to year!
- Let’s say it is a kind of ritual!
- And Hannah prays God because she is barren and she asks God for a son she will give to God in exchange like a Nazirite!
- And God listens to her!
- We just get simple examples of faithfulness!
- And Hannah respects her vow to God!
- And when Samuel start his service for God, we are told that the word of God had become rare and his visions were not widespread!
- In fact, God seems to be away because Israel keeps committing spiritual prostitution!
- But there is still some kind of faithfulness!
- But nothing special!
- Think that the two sons of Eli are priests and they don’t care about God!
- And they act badly!
- And God doesn’t do anything!
- He lets the situation getting worse and worse!
- There is mainly a spiritual desert!
- But then he starts to speak to Samuel who is a boy!
- Think of that: no one is worthy to be honored by God!
- Except Samuel who is only a child because of his mother!
- And he tells him what is going to happen to Eli and his two sons in due time!
- But Samuel must be taught and take the lead and Israel!
- He is going to become the high priests and the judge in Israel!
- So first Samuel’s mother did the first step toward God and God the second and a lot more!
- In Judges we get spiritual prostitution and everyone was doing what was right in his own right!
- In Samuel we are told about Samuel’s father who goes to worship and to sacrifice to God in Shiloh from year to year!
- Let’s say it is a kind of ritual!
- And Hannah prays God because she is barren and she asks God for a son she will give to God in exchange like a Nazirite!
- And God listens to her!
- We just get simple examples of faithfulness!
- And Hannah respects her vow to God!
- And when Samuel start his service for God, we are told that the word of God had become rare and his visions were not widespread!
- In fact, God seems to be away because Israel keeps committing spiritual prostitution!
- But there is still some kind of faithfulness!
- But nothing special!
- Think that the two sons of Eli are priests and they don’t care about God!
- And they act badly!
- And God doesn’t do anything!
- He lets the situation getting worse and worse!
- There is mainly a spiritual desert!
- But then he starts to speak to Samuel who is a boy!
- Think of that: no one is worthy to be honored by God!
- Except Samuel who is only a child because of his mother!
- And he tells him what is going to happen to Eli and his two sons in due time!
- But Samuel must be taught and take the lead and Israel!
- He is going to become the high priests and the judge in Israel!
- So first Samuel’s mother did the first step toward God and God the second and a lot more!
- Superficiality of humanity vs Deepness of some individuals!
- And they are lights for us!
- There are two ways!
- Light vs darkness!
- We can choose which one!
- One is easy, the other is a lot more complicated because it is necessary to make efforts to understand the Bible!
- Just free will!
- An oasis among the desert!
- And they are lights for us!
- There are two ways!
- Light vs darkness!
- We can choose which one!
- One is easy, the other is a lot more complicated because it is necessary to make efforts to understand the Bible!
- Just free will!
- An oasis among the desert!
- Israel didn’t do anything to make things change!
- Eli did the same with his two sons: nothing!
- What does humanity do: nothing!
- But God acts!
- And God continues to appear to Samuel in Shiloh!
- Judges and the book of samuel same continuity!
- In Samuel 7:2 we are told about 20 years before All Israel begins to seek after God!
- And we are only told about starting!
- You can imagine the rest by yourselves!
- Samuel 7:15-17 tells us that Samuel spent his life judging Israel in Ramah and every year he would traveled to bethel, Gilgal anMizpah!
- Chapter 8:1-3 tells us that Samuel appointed his sons as judges for Israel but they acted badly not like Eli’s sons but badly!
- As a consequence, Israel asked for a human king!
- He did according to what Samuel told him for a while!
- Gradually he chose the wrong way and God rejected him!
- And Samuel would not speak to him about God’s will anymore!
- Why should it be different?
- Man’s tradition vs God’s word!
- I like when chapter 12:22 tells us God will not abandon his people!
- No but his people will abandon him as usual!
- And the next verses speak about being swept away!
- But people usually read the beginning and not the end!
- Unfortunately the end is more important than the beginning!
- Eli did the same with his two sons: nothing!
- What does humanity do: nothing!
- But God acts!
- And God continues to appear to Samuel in Shiloh!
- Judges and the book of samuel same continuity!
- In Samuel 7:2 we are told about 20 years before All Israel begins to seek after God!
- And we are only told about starting!
- You can imagine the rest by yourselves!
- Samuel 7:15-17 tells us that Samuel spent his life judging Israel in Ramah and every year he would traveled to bethel, Gilgal anMizpah!
- Chapter 8:1-3 tells us that Samuel appointed his sons as judges for Israel but they acted badly not like Eli’s sons but badly!
- As a consequence, Israel asked for a human king!
- He did according to what Samuel told him for a while!
- Gradually he chose the wrong way and God rejected him!
- And Samuel would not speak to him about God’s will anymore!
- Why should it be different?
- Man’s tradition vs God’s word!
- I like when chapter 12:22 tells us God will not abandon his people!
- No but his people will abandon him as usual!
- And the next verses speak about being swept away!
- But people usually read the beginning and not the end!
- Unfortunately the end is more important than the beginning!
- In Chapter 12 Samuel warns Israel!
- They did evil but they can follow and serve God faithfully with their heart!
- But that’s free will!
- Always free will!
- And doing evil is also free will!
- In Chapter 13 Samuel reproves Saul!
- Saul’s evil is free will!
- All the time Samuel warns them but they don’t listen!
- But he keeps warning them again and again!
- No way to say we didn’t know!
- No you did it and you kept doing it!
- It is as simple as that!
- In Chapter 15 Samuel reproves Saul!
- And Saul is rejected as king!
- Is that so difficult to change?
- They did evil but they can follow and serve God faithfully with their heart!
- But that’s free will!
- Always free will!
- And doing evil is also free will!
- In Chapter 13 Samuel reproves Saul!
- Saul’s evil is free will!
- All the time Samuel warns them but they don’t listen!
- But he keeps warning them again and again!
- No way to say we didn’t know!
- No you did it and you kept doing it!
- It is as simple as that!
- In Chapter 15 Samuel reproves Saul!
- And Saul is rejected as king!
- Is that so difficult to change?
- Saul doesn’t care!
- He keeps doing according to his will!
- And Samuel anoints David!
- But like in the case of Israel and humanity, God is patient!
- And David becomes close to Saul!
- He becomes his harpist!
- David defeats Goliath!
- And Israel speaks in better terms of David compared to Saul!
- And Saul becomes jealous of David!
- And Saul tries to kill David!
- And he will try to do it many times!
- He can see that God’s spirit is with him!
- And Jonathan, Saul’s son, and David become friends!
- And Jonathan will warn David against his father!
- And he will tell him in case of danger!
- And David marries Saul’s wife!
- But Saul will keep trying to kill David!
- He won’t change his mind!
- He doesn’t care about God even if he is king because of God!
- He keeps doing according to his will!
- And Samuel anoints David!
- But like in the case of Israel and humanity, God is patient!
- And David becomes close to Saul!
- He becomes his harpist!
- David defeats Goliath!
- And Israel speaks in better terms of David compared to Saul!
- And Saul becomes jealous of David!
- And Saul tries to kill David!
- And he will try to do it many times!
- He can see that God’s spirit is with him!
- And Jonathan, Saul’s son, and David become friends!
- And Jonathan will warn David against his father!
- And he will tell him in case of danger!
- And David marries Saul’s wife!
- But Saul will keep trying to kill David!
- He won’t change his mind!
- He doesn’t care about God even if he is king because of God!
- In Chapter 19, we can see how Saul’s hate for David grows and at the same time Jonathan’s love for David increases!
- And Jonathan speaks well of David to his father!
- And he brings David back to his father!
- And David keeps serving Saul!
- Till Saul tries to kill him again!
- We see all the time the same mistake from man!
- He always wants to follow the wrong track!
- Always the same stubbornness!
- I will do as I want!
- And David has to escape again to survive!
- And God pushes Saul to try to kill David!
- But as usual he can escape!
- God is preparing the end of Saul!
- And Jonathan speaks well of David to his father!
- And he brings David back to his father!
- And David keeps serving Saul!
- Till Saul tries to kill him again!
- We see all the time the same mistake from man!
- He always wants to follow the wrong track!
- Always the same stubbornness!
- I will do as I want!
- And David has to escape again to survive!
- And God pushes Saul to try to kill David!
- But as usual he can escape!
- God is preparing the end of Saul!
- In Chapter 20, we are told about the difference between Jonathan and his father Saul!
- Jonathan knows God is with David!
- He knows he will become king!
- His friendship with David is more important than becoming a king!
- Jonathan keeps assuring David that he will do everything to protect him and to warn him whenever possible!
- They make a covenant between each other so that David will about Jonathan’s household if he dies because of his loyal love to David!
- Finally Jonathan tells David to flee because Saul wants to kill him!
- Here we have a good example of a father who acts badly and a son who does the contrary!
- That’s what we call free will!
- Jonathan knows God is with David!
- He knows he will become king!
- His friendship with David is more important than becoming a king!
- Jonathan keeps assuring David that he will do everything to protect him and to warn him whenever possible!
- They make a covenant between each other so that David will about Jonathan’s household if he dies because of his loyal love to David!
- Finally Jonathan tells David to flee because Saul wants to kill him!
- Here we have a good example of a father who acts badly and a son who does the contrary!
- That’s what we call free will!
- In chapter 21, David asks the help of a priest Ahimelec!
- At first, Ahimelec is afraid!
- David invents a story and he asks for some bread!
- He gets holy bread reserved to the priests!
- He also gets a sword, the sword of Goliath!
- And he keeps going away from Saul!
- A servant of Saul is there!
- At first, Ahimelec is afraid!
- David invents a story and he asks for some bread!
- He gets holy bread reserved to the priests!
- He also gets a sword, the sword of Goliath!
- And he keeps going away from Saul!
- A servant of Saul is there!
- At the end of chapter 21, David goes to the Philistines to King Aʹchish of Gath!
- And to be accepted among them he acts insane!
- Thus gradually David learns how to survive by playing tricks!
- We can imagine how useful it will be when he becomes king!
- But power corrupts!
- And you start to forget your youth!
- And you start to think you can do whatever you want!
- And you start to forget Yah·weh!
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Remember:
- If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
- They used to write differently!
- They used to speak differently!
- They used to think differently!
- They used to act differently!
- In Chapter 22, we see David who keeps following Yah.weh!
- He goes where he is told to go by Yah.weh’s prophet!
- On the contrary, Saul does according to his own will!
- He keeps going away from Yah.weh!
- When he is told about Ahimelec, he wants him and all the priests of his father’s house to be brought to him!
- And he accused him of conspiracy!
- He doesn’t care about what Ahimelec says!
- And Saul tells his guards to kill Ahimelec and all the priests of Yah.weh!
- He opposes Yah.weh, he fights Yah.weh!
- And he thinks he won’t have a very bad end!
- This attitude is so usual!
- And then people are surprised when they have a very bad end!
- How blind!
- But so was Israel!
- And Judah !
- And mankind!
- And as if it was not enough, he strikes Nob the city of the priests and destroys everything!
- Men, women, children, infants and animals!
- But he will pay for that and his sons too!
- Yah.weh’s justice!
- And Yah.weh’s day won’t be different!
- Yah.weh’s justice!
- It won’t be any surprise even if for the majority it will be a surprise!
- But it is written everywhere in the Bible!
- Always the same warning!
- And they don’t listen!
- In Chapter 22, after the murders of the priests, one son of Ahimelec can escape and goes to David!
- And David tells him that he will be under his protection!
- David adds he is responsible for the murders because he saw Doeg and he knew he was going to tell Saul!
- Thus David assumes his responsibilities!
- He is a man of honor!
- But he will become king!
- And gradually he will lose this quality!
- It is something difficult to get!
- But when you get power, it is also easy to lose!
- It is like accurate knowledge!
- It is hard to get it!
- You need to study the Bible a lot!
- Because the Bible is multidimensional!
- But it is difficult to understand that!
- People usually prefer to stay at the surface!
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