The Godly Heresy of Sinless Perfectionism

[Lambano]

Y’know, if it really worked the way y’all say it works, if we really loved our neighbors as ourselves, if we really loved and did good things for our enemies, if we really sold all our possessions and gave to the poor, if we really put away pride and selfishness, this world be a lot different world from what it really is.

 

[HIM]

Y’know, if it really worked the way y’all say it works, if we really loved our neighbors as ourselves, if we really loved and did good things for our enemies, if we really sold all our possessions and gave to the poor, if we really put away pride and selfishness, this world be a lot different world from what it really is.

If it is not of faith it is of sin. A double minded man is unstable in all His ways. Let not that man think he shall recieve anything from the LORD.

 

[Wynona]

Am encouraged. I went from team hyper grace to team Bible. I was taught to deal with sin by "resting in the finished work of the cross".

The logic was that if I rested enough I'd lose the motivation to sin.

But this isn't the biblical way of dealing with sin, which is to put it to death. So I'd be confused and frustrated when my sin did not get better by me "trusting in the finished work of the cross".

A prolific radio speaker even said, "You only get better when you realize that if you never get any better, God will still love you." So I thought the way to get better was to stop trying as hard.

When I started reading the Bible for myself, I was shocked that there were no phrases like "trust in the finished work of the cross" in there. In fact, it spoke of a very demonized thing: putting effort into getting rid of sin.

The bible said things like "you have not resisted to the point of shedding blood striving against sin." I was so mad. I had been taught falsely.

I was supposed to be trying after all. I was to be resisting the devil, taking thoughts captive, and crucifying the earthly nature the whole time and not just muster up enough hyper grace thoughts to get me in the mood to stop sinning.

Through God's Word and rejecting man's teachings, God gave me victory over pornography, adulterous fantasies and gave me the fruit of the spirit. Im no super Christian. Just a regular ol' believer.

Having the wrong view of sin did lead to more sin in my life. Beware men's teachings. If you aren't comparing them to the Scriptures, they can lead you astray and have you wasting your time.

 

[Wynona]

Y’know, if it really worked the way y’all say it works, if we really loved our neighbors as ourselves, if we really loved and did good things for our enemies, if we really sold all our possessions and gave to the poor, if we really put away pride and selfishness, this world be a lot different world from what it really is.

More people would definitely live like this if they accepted God's Word like it was written.

 

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When I started reading the Bible for myself, I was shocked that there were no phrases like "trust in the finished work of the cross" in there. In fact, it spoke of a very demonized thing: putting effort into getting rid of sin.

Hi Wynona,

Romans 5:1-2 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

I'm not saying that our fight against sin is not without effort. But it is based on the trust in Jesus, the efficacy of His death.

Much love!

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

I feel that I must share this.
Some years ago, after learning about Christian perfection, I began striving for it.

I started by taking my thoughts captive (lust, greed etc.), and asked for prayer from my Godly pastor. I surrendering all 'known' practical sins. The prayers definitely worked in a miraculous way.

For approximately one month, I was free. I understood the verses about being free in Christ. I could worship The Lord, with absolutely no barriers, and it was amazing.

I chose to go back, and I lost it.
I 'know' that perfection is available, this side of heaven, and won't ever stop striving to get back there again.

 

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I 'know' that perfection is available, this side of heaven, and won't ever stop striving to get back there again.

Romans 5:1-2 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

It's the same faith by which you were saved.

Much love!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Nope. Ἔσεσθε in Matthew 5:48 is the future indicative form of “to be”. A literal translation would be, “You will be perfect…” or “You shall be perfect…”

Though to be fair, the SHALL echoes the Septuagint translations of the Ten Commandments, so it should be considered normative.

You can play the original languages game all you like, but I am pretty sure the 47 translators on the King James Bible know more about the original languages than you do. I also trust God preserved His Word for today, and I am not looking to try and piece together a perfect Bible. I already have the Word of God that I can hold in my hands right now and I can just read it and believe it by comparing Scripture with Scripture and by asking God for the understanding.

For if you have to go to the original languages (that you really don’t know) then that is cheating. The English does not conflict with what the original languages say. To say so otherwise means one can just make the Bible say whatever they desire it to say but pointing to disputed unresolved arguments on words that scholars do not always agree upon. But English is not something a person can twist without others being wiser to what they are up to.

Psalms 11:3
”If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?”

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Romans 5:1-2 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

It's the same faith by which you were saved.

Much love!

Faith is not only described as a belief alone (Hebrews 11:3), faith is also described as obeying what God tells you to do. For example: By faith… Noah prepared and ark to the saving of his household (Hebrews 11:7). So Noah‘s faith was not just sitting on his hands and doing nothing as he refused to obey God’s instructions. That would be unfaith or not being faithful to what God said.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I feel that I must share this.
Some years ago, after learning about Christian perfection, I began striving for it.

I started by taking my thoughts captive (lust, greed etc.), and asked for prayer from my Godly pastor. I surrendering all 'known' practical sins. The prayers definitely worked in a miraculous way.

For approximately one month, I was free. I understood the verses about being free in Christ. I could worship The Lord, with absolutely no barriers, and it was amazing.

I chose to go back, and I lost it.
I 'know' that perfection is available, this side of heaven, and won't ever stop striving to get back there again.

A small few “Sin and Still be Saved Salvationist Christians” may be even rejoice in your striving to be perfect in this life, but they are also still teaching a false hope in that sin does not jeopardize one’s soul and thus they create a wide gate path for either themselves and or others. Yet, Jesus warned about how certain sins can destroy our souls (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37). The problem is turning God’s grace into a license to sin and they do not appear to be aware that they are doing so (By their non acceptance of various different verses in Scripture). They tend to lean on the idea that God is going to turn a blind eye towards occasional sin. Their focus is to get you to sin and or to be defeated to obey God and not to live righteously (even when they sometimes may appear to be for your pursuit in holy living). They are a walking contradiction. At least that is my observance of some (if I am understanding them correctly in my experience with talking with them and observing what they say). So be careful of those who do not understand the true consequences of sin even if they may appear to be on your side in your trying to live perfectly (as the Bible teaches).

 

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Their focus is to get you to sin and or to be defeated to obey God and not to live righteously (even when they sometimes may appear to be for your pursuit in holy living).

I'll tell you a contradiction.

They are a walking contradiction.

You are talking about me here, I'm someone who says that your current sin does not separate you from God. So you lay this charge against me.

And what is it? That I'm focused on getting people to sin.

So what do you call it when you say negative untruths about others? Is it called slander? Lies? Who is the father of lies? Do you see the contradiction?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Faith is not only described as a belief alone (Hebrews 11:3), faith is also described as obeying what God tells you to do.

You are correct, faith is not a belief, it's more like reliance. However, faith and obedience are different words with different meanings, and we shouldn't conflate them, we need to preserve the meaning of each.

We are saved by grace through faith, not by obedience, and that is at the heart of our disagreement, or so it seems to me.

Much love!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'll tell you a contradiction.



You are talking about me here, I'm someone who says that your current sin does not separate you from God. So you lay this charge against me.

And what is it? That I'm focused on getting people to sin.

So what do you call it when you say negative untruths about others? Is it called slander? Lies? Who is the father of lies? Do you see the contradiction?

Much love!

You basically said using other words before that a Christian or believer does not lose salvation if they sin. You basically are saying that a believer cannot be unborn by sin and thus that means that there is no danger to their soul spiritually in being lost if they sin (Which runs contrary to the words of Jesus Christ that teaches that sin can condemn our souls - Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, etcetera). By not agreeing with the teaching of Jesus on sin and how it can destroy our soul in hell, you are indirectly leading others to think they can ignore the true or real consequences of sin. Thus, it can lead them to think they can sin and still be saved. So what I said was true, and not false slander of any kind.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are correct, faith is not a belief, it's more like reliance. However, faith and obedience are different words with different meanings, and we shouldn't conflate them, we need to preserve the meaning of each.

We are saved by grace through faith, not by obedience, and that is at the heart of our disagreement, or so it seems to me.

Much love!

There are…

Two Sides of the Coin of Faith:

The 1st Side of the Coin of Faith:

Faith starts off as a belief or trust in Jesus Christ as one's Savior (John 3:16). We are first saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the law or works ALONE (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are saved initially and foundationally by God's grace and mercy like the receiving of a gift. We believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We call upon the name of the Lord seeking forgiveness with Him (Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14). We receive or invite Christ into our life (John 1:12, Revelation 3:20). If a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion, they do not do a good work to redeem that sin; But they go to God's grace by confessing their sins to Jesus Christ in order to be forgiven of it (See: 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1, Hebrews 4:16). This is all a part of how we are saved by God's grace through faith. No man can save themselves by Works Alone without God's grace. Many people who believe in God, and yet they have not accepted Jesus as their Savior think that God will outweigh their good deeds over their bad deeds. Salvation does not work like that. For they do not realize that their bad deeds will condemn them. They need to have their past slate of sins wiped out. This is where God's grace through faith in Jesus comes in.

But faith does not end with being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

The journey of faith continues with...

The 2nd Side of the Coin of Faith:

#1. Faith manifests itself with the “work of faith” mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11. Protestants seem to separate works from faith in a way that goes beyond how James describes them. Yet, the apostle Paul mentions that there is a “work of faith.” The Bible talks about the “work of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 15:58) (1 Corinthians 16:10), and I imagine if I asked a Protestant Christian if the “work” within the “work of the Lord” is separate from “the Lord,” they most likely would say they are not separated. But when it comes to the “work of faith,” they will say that works and faith are separate things (Which in my view is not being consistent or honest with oneself).

#2. The word “faithful” is also mentioned 54 times in the New Testament King James Bible. The dictionary defines faithful as:

Faithful:
(adjective):

1. true to one's word, promises, vows, etc.
2. steady in allegiance or affection; loyal; constant: faithful friends.
3. reliable, trusted, or believed.
4. strict or thorough in the performance of duty: a faithful worker.


Source:
Definition of faithful | Dictionary.com

This definition is supported by the context in many verses in the Bible. It does not take a detective to figure out that the word “faithful” derives from the word “faith.” They are related and connected to each other. A person is loyal (or faithful) to their master based on their faith in him in what he says. For example: 2 Thessalonians 3:3 says, “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.” So the Lord is said to be faithful in this verse. How is the Lord faithful? Is it by a belief alone? No. The Lord is faithful to strengthening us (or in establishing us) to keep us from evil. The Lord does something when He is faithful. Revelation 2:10 says to a particular church, “be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Many Protestants have tried to come up with tricky ways to not apply this verse to their own life. I believe they do not accept what this verse plainly says because it contradicts their “Faith Alone” teaching that was handed down to them from Martin Luther (the founder of Protestantism).

#3. Romans 10:17. It says,

“So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.”
(Romans 10:17).

How do we get our faith? According to Romans 10:17, we get our faith by hearing the Word of God. I believe that the “Word of God” can refer to either Jesus, and or the Bible (depending on the context) (Note: See this thread here to see the connection in Scripture between the Living Word and the Bible). Anyways, in this particular instance in Romans 10:17: I believe the “Word of God” refers to the words of Jesus (which are found in the Holy Bible). We must receive the words of Jesus because if we do not, His words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). This would also include the words of His apostles, as well. For Jesus says, “He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40). So faith is basically everything in my New Testament because it gives us an account of the words of Jesus and His followers. We get our faith by believing and obeying what Jesus and His apostles said. Faith is everything in your New Testament, and faith is not just a belief alone in Jesus.

#4. Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 11 gives us an account of what faith does. “By faith Noah, ... prepared an ark to the saving of his house;...” (Hebrews 11:7). “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” (Hebrews 11:17). “By faith Moses, ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;” (Hebrews 11:24-25). So by faith, the great men of God obeyed God and or put forth holy actions (or the “work of faith”). So in Hebrews 11, the word “faith” is used to represent something a believer does. This faith also rejects sin in one's life, for Moses suffered with the affliction of God's people rather than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

(Continued):

 

[Bible Highlighter]

#5. Peter failed to continue to walk on the water (Which is a work of God).
What was the reason why Peter later failed to continue to walk on the water? Jesus said, “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31). This again proves that the work of God that can operate in our life is tied to our faith. For in Ephesians 2:9 it refers to Man Directed Works ALONE Salvationism (without God's grace) because it is the kind of work that a man would boast in himself by doing it. But Ephesians 2:10 talks about an entirely different kind of work. It is the work of God done through the believer. These are the works that we are created unto Christ Jesus to do. They are the works of God done through us. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). For it is God who works in us to do of His good will and pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So any good we do, all praise, glory, thanks, and honor is given to our Lord Jesus Christ and or to the glorious Trinity (or Godhead).

#6. Paul also mentions that there is an “obedience to the faith" (or obedience of faith) at the beginning and end of the book of Romans (See: Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26). Romans 6 says,

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16).


So we have to have obedience unto righteousness. For Romans 6 also says, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22). So our obedience unto righteousness is being servants of God and having fruit unto holiness with having the end of everlasting life. This is all a part of the obedience to the faith. There is no such thing as the disobedience of the faith. For Ephesians 5 says, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” (Ephesians 5:3-6).

#7. John 3:36 (The Greek word “apeitheō” used in John 3:36 for the English words: “believeth not” (KJB) is translated as “obey not” or “disobedient” in other English bible verses. For example: 1 Peter 3:1, and 1 Peter 3:20 translates apeitheō as “obey not” or “disobedient” and it is used context to being disobedient in regards to one’s righteous conduct (Whereas John 3:36 is translated as believeth not” in the King James Bible). Some translations render the KJB’s John 3:36 “believeth not" as “obey not” in other Translations (NLT, ESV, BLB, NASB, ASV, EXB, GNT). In other words, sometimes the words “believeth not” is synonymous with “obey not” (depending on the context). In fact, you can check this Greek word for yourself and it's usage here at BlueLetterBible.

G544 - apeitheō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)


#8. Works makes a person’s faith perfect (James 2:22).
This connects in with 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Doctrine and instruction in righteousness is profitable so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works. Anyways, the point here is that your faith is perfected by works. Thus, this shows us that there is a symbiotic relationship between faith and works that cannot be separated.

#9. 2 Corinthians 5:7 says: “We walk by faith.” So faith is not something whereby you do nothing but believe. We are to walk by faith. Walking is an action.

#10. Examine whether you be in the faith - 2 Corinthians 13:5. How do we do this? Well, this is by proving Christ is in you. How can we show that we know the Lord? By keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). However, the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). So keeping His commands is tied to knowing the Lord, and knowing the Lord is in us is a part of our examination of whether we are in the faith or not (2 Corinthians 13:5).

#11. Galatians 5:6 says, “faith which worketh by love.”
Paul says in context within Galatians:

“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Galatians 5:13-14).


So faith works by love. It works in love by loving one another. Faith is not just a belief alone.

#12. Philippians 2:17 talks about “the service of your faith.” Service is a form of work. So our faith will have service or work attached. So there is no faith that is alone or remains as a belief alone. True faith will have it's service.

#13. 2 Thessalonians 3:2 says, “And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” This is suggesting that faith is not a belief alone whereby we can live wickedly. For it says that we may be delivered from wicked men for (because) all men have not faith. So the opposite of wickedness is holiness. So this verse is implying indirectly that our good and moral conduct is tied to the faith.

#14. 1 Timothy 5:8 says, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” An infidel is an unbeliever. If faith is exclusively a belief alone then how can a person deny the faith by their misconduct?

#15. 1 Timothy 6:12 says, “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,” We have to FIGHT the good fight of faith in order to lay hold on eternal life. So faith is something we have to fight for and it is not a belief alone.

#16. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describes those who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. They are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. These types are said to be reprobate concerning the faith (See: 2 Timothy 3:8). So faith is not a belief alone in Jesus whereby one’s conduct is not in line with true godliness.

#17. James 2:1 says, “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.” This means faith is not a belief alone in Jesus, but it also includes one’s actions in not neglecting to love the poor brethren while one shows favor to the rich brethren.

#18. Jude says:

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 1:3-4).


Verse 3 says that we are to contend for the faith and verse 4 says there are certain ungodly men who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness. Meaning, they are teaching that a person can sin and still be saved by God’s grace. But we are told to contend for the faith.

#19. Revelation 13:10 says,

“Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison.
Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword.
This means that God’s holy people must endure
persecution patiently and remain faithful.”
(Revelation 13:10) (NLT).

“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
(Revelation 13:10 (KJB).


In other words, this is saying that believers can sometimes go to prison and or be killed as a part of the faith (or in being faithful, i.e. the faith).

#20. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17). Can a dead faith save anyone?

#21. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). The same word “justified" is used for both faith and works. Most Christians will not argue against how we are justified by faith in regards to salvation. But this same word “justified" is used in reference for works, too.

#22. James says he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18).
For James says,

“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith,
and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works,
and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
(James 2:18).


James appears to criticize the person who has faith without works by saying show me your faith without works, and I will show my faith by my works. This means faith and works are tied together because works is how one shows their faith.


So in conclusion:

Faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. The first side of the coin of faith is trusting or believing in God's grace and seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus and believing the gospel, and the second side (or other side) of the coin of faith is the “work of faith.” (that is a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit that helps us to live a holy life).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Hebrews 12:14).

“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

 

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You basically said using other words before that a Christian or believer does not lose salvation if they sin. You basically are saying that a believer cannot be unborn by sin and thus that means that there is no danger to their soul spiritually in being lost if they sin (Which runs contrary to the words of Jesus Christ that teaches that sin can condemn our souls - Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, etcetera). By not agreeing with the teaching of Jesus on sin and how it can destroy our soul in hell, you are indirectly leading others to think they can ignore the true or real consequences of sin. Thus, it can lead them to think they can sin and still be saved. So what I said was true, and not false slander of any kind.

No, you are plainly and simply falsely accusing. It is what it is.

Their focus is to get you to sin and or to be defeated to obey God and not to live righteously

You said this is my focus. And now you seem to want to back pedal, or deny. That's the beauty of a forum, your words are preserved. And that's what you said.

Much love!

 

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2 Timothy 2:14 KJV
14) Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

 

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So in conclusion:

Faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. The first side of the coin of faith is trusting or believing in God's grace and seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus and believing the gospel, and the second side (or other side) of the coin of faith is the “work of faith.” (that is a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit that helps us to live a holy life).

Faith has it's meaning, and obedience has it's meaning, and they are different meanings. The faithful endeavor to obey, but that doesn't make the words the same.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Faith has it's meaning, and obedience has it's meaning, and they are different meanings. The faithful endeavor to obey, but that doesn't make the words the same.

Much love!

A good example of faith is , WHEN GOD said DO , abraham DID .
A good example of love is , IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS .
IF a man loves me He keeps my sayings .
The beauty about faith and love is simple . If our faith and our love is FOR GOD
It truly we have been converted , We would be hearers and doers of the glorious Word .
For a lamb has the SPIRIT . TRUTH is if one has not the SPIRIT its a sure sign they are NOT CHRISTS .
As paul well said . And if one has the SPIRIT the body is dead because of sin .
We are servants of whom we love obey , follow .
The evidence that we have the SPIRIT is our fruits .
The fruit of the wicked is TO SIN , but the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness ,righteousness and truth
proving what is ACCEPTABLE TO GOD . not what is acceptable to the world and its ever changing tide .
BUT TO GOD . THE LORD is with the lambs . AND because HE IS I HAVE ALL HOPE . Let the KING be praised
and thanked my friend . HE is our salvation and in no other name is there salvation .
Budda with good works SAVES NONE , muhammed with good works saves none .
Even cornelious who believed in the one true GOD and did many good works
had to hear something whereby HE could be saved . ANY GUESSES on what that was . THE GOSPEL OF KING JESUS .
The gospel of KING JESUS . And GOD has chosen to save the world by the PREACHING of the gospel
that all who do believe will be saved . BUT WOE to those who DENY GOD . And if one
beleives not the testimony of GOD , which he gave of HIS SON , well they make GOD out to be a liar .
AINT NO TRUTH IN THEM .
HEREBY know we the SPIRIT of TRUTH from the spirit of error . THOSE WHO HEAR US are of GOD .
THE GOSPEL . ITS ALL ABOUT BELIEVING IN CHRIST JESUS WHO GOD DID SEND .
On that note , ITS LORD PRAISING TIME IN THE BUILDING .

 

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No, you are plainly and simply falsely accusing. It is what it is.


You said this is my focus. And now you seem to want to back pedal, or deny. That's the beauty of a forum, your words are preserved. And that's what you said.

Much love!

This is not true. Not only did you say before that you cannot become unborn by sin (implying a sin and still be saved type belief) which is made clear in your post here. You also defended the sin and still be saved interpretation on Romans 7:14-24 in post #309., and you tried to say that God justifies the ungodly (implying that Scripture was referring to a believer remaining justified even if they may sin), and you implied I did not keep the first commandment in post #331. Also, it is contradictory and or confusing to give a like rep to the OP (see here), and yet not agree with the OP. So what I said was true. Your belief is contradictory and your focus before was trying to push the idea of how believers can sin (And still be okay with God). I am assuming your previous focus has not changed (since your recent words or posts). For if your previous focus has changed, then you would have said something to correct your previous words (obviously).