The First Resurrection In Revelation 20:5-6, Is Reformed Preterist Eschatology Correct In Its Interpretation?

[Truth7t7]

Reformed preterist eschatology in its interpretation of "First Resurrection" claims this represents "Jesus Christ" being the "First Resurrected" thousands of years ago?

Scripture clearly teaches when the Non-Literal 1,000 years are "Finished" the "First Resurrection" takes place, "Future" at the second coming, when all that are in the Graves will come forth to the "Final Judgement" John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2

The context of Revelation 20:11-15 explains the resurrections seen, this takes place at the time of "Final Judgement" (The End)

Conclusion: Reformed Preterist Eschatology's Interpretation of "First Resurrection" seen in Revelation 20:5-6 below, being Jesus Christ's resurrection thousands of years ago is "False"

There are "Two Future Resurrections" seen below "Two"

1.) (The First Resurrection) The Righteous

2.) (The Second Death Resurrection) The Wicked

Revelation 20:5-6KJV
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Reformed preterist eschatology in its interpretation of "First Resurrection" claims this represents "Jesus Christ" being the "First Resurrected" thousands of years ago?

Scripture clearly teaches when the Non-Literal 1,000 years are "Finished" the "First Resurrection" takes place, "Future" at the second coming, when all that are in the Graves will come forth to the "Final Judgement" John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2

The context of Revelation 20:11-15 explains the resurrections seen, that takes place at the time of "Final Judgement" (The End)

Conclusion: Reformed Preterist Eschatology's Interpretation of "First Resurrection" seen in Revelation 20:5-6 below, being Jesus Christ's resurrection thousands of years ago is "False"

There are "Two Future Resurrections" seen below "Two"

1.) (The First Resurrection) The Righteous

2.) (The Second Death Resurrection) The Wicked

Revelation 20:5-6KJV
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I don't agree with you that the Millennium is "non-literal." However, I do agree with you that the "1st Resurrection" will be in the future, at the 2nd Coming.

It would've been much easier to say Christ is raised from the dead at the beginning of the Millennium, if that was the intention. But the Holy Spirit didn't express things that way, obviously because that's not what He meant to say (in my opinion).

We all know when Jesus rose from the dead--on the 3rd day after his cross. But we needed to know when the general resurrection of the Church would take place--at the 2nd Coming. It was especially necessary to point out that those who will be "defeated" by the Beast, and martyred by the same, will be raised from the dead, as well, coming to rule over the earth formerly controlled by Satan.

The 1st Resurrection is obviously something experienced by a company of people, and not just by an individual. Twisting this to metaphorically depict Christ's resurrection sounds pretty weird to me, if that's what some teach?

 

[Truth7t7]

It would've been much easier to say Christ is raised from the dead at the beginning of the Millennium, if that was the intention.

It appears you need to grasp the fact "Thousand Years" in Revelation 20:4-6 is doing nothing more than explaining (The Lord's Eternal Spiritual Realm) where One Day Is A "Thousand Years" "No Literal Time"

Today in a world of inflation and big numbers, the interpretation could be seen as a "Trillion Years" Non-Literal

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't agree with you that the Millennium is "non-literal."

Of course you disagree, because you have a pre-determined bias in creating a false Zionist Kingdom on earth, that will see "National Salvation" for Israel, a teaching found no place in scripture

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Randy Kluth]

Of course you disagree, because you have a pre-determined bias in creating a false Zionist Kingdom on earth, that will see "National Salvation" for Israel, a teaching found no place in scripture

Jesus Is The Lord

You should use your words more carefully, because you're misrepresenting what I believe. I don't believe in a "Zionist Kingdom" on earth. I do believe that Israel will eventually "get it right," though I don't believe Israel will be "king" among nations, ie a "Zionist monarchy." You're so busy attacking people you don't take the time to properly represent what they believe.

 

[Truth7t7]

You should use your words more carefully, because you're misrepresenting what I believe. I don't believe in a "Zionist Kingdom" on earth. I do believe that Israel will eventually "get it right," though I don't believe Israel will be "king" among nations, ie a "Zionist monarchy." You're so busy attacking people you don't take the time to properly represent what they believe.

Nobody is attacking Randy as he falsely claims,, seems to be a standard claim to silence your opposition

Sounds just like the liberal democrats shouting racist against conservatives no different

Of course you're Pro-Zionist you have admitted this openly, and you have stated "Several Times" that your fairy tale "National Salvation For Israel" will be a model for the world to follow

Quote Randy Kluth: "Yes I'm Pro-Zionist"

 

[Randy Kluth]

Nobody is attacking Randy as he falsely claims,, seems to be a standard claim to silence your opposition

Sounds just like the liberal democrats shouting racist against conservatives no different

Of course you're Pro-Zionist you have admitted this openly, and you have stated "Several Times" that your fairy tale "National Salvation For Israel" will be a model for the world to follow

Quote Randy Kluth: "Yes I'm Pro-Zionist"

I do not believe in a "Zionist Kingdom." And you dishonestly say I do. I do believe in the national salvation of Israel, as even the Bible says:

Rom 11.26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

So you don't want me to believe what Paul said? Either that, or you're arbitrarily redefining "Israel" to mean something else? What will it be, troublemaker?

 

[MatthewG]

I Figured the resurrection would have started after Stephen got stoned to death but maybe I am wrong.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I Figured the resurrection would have started after Stephen got stoned to death but maybe I am wrong.

I don't know how you came up with that? The resurrection, we were told, would be on the Last Day of the age, when Jesus comes back.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus was risen 3 days after having died on the cross. Don't know.

Do you believe when you die you'll be waiting on Jesus to come back or something? In the grave

 

[rwb]

If the first resurrection is physical and future of the righteous, followed at some point by the physical resurrection of the wicked, why does John see martyred faithful saints alive in heaven after physical death because they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years?

How can the righteous be seen alive in heaven having lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years if they shall not live again until the thousand years have ended?

 

[MatthewG]

Depends on if you take thousand to be literal or not. I personally believe everyone dies now today, are resurrected right away. Its up to people to decide. Whatever you believe, I will say okay, love you brother, sister. Have to be meek, and have kindness by the spirit with others.

 

[rwb]

Depends on if you take thousand to be literal or not. I personally believe everyone dies now today, are resurrected right away. Its up to people to decide. Whatever you believe, I will say okay, love you brother, sister. Have to be meek, and have kindness by the spirit with others.

Our ascending to heaven after our body dies is not a resurrection. Believers ascend to heaven a living soul, as a spiritual body after we die, because in time, we had part in the first resurrection. The first resurrection man must partake in time to overcome the second death is the resurrection of Christ. He is the first resurrection, and when we partake of His resurrection life in time, we have eternal life and have overcome sin and the second death.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

John 11:25-26 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Acts 26:23 (KJV) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Romans 6:4-9 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

John is showing us that in time, which a thousand years equates to, we must live and reign with Christ by partaking of His resurrection life, through birth from above. We must be born again or born from above in time, to know and enter the Kingdom of God. Christ tells us "Ye must be born again" of the Spirit to know and enter the Kingdom of God in time (a thousand years). Then we shall never die, our spirit will live forever through His Spirit in us, even though our body dies.

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5-8 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[rwb]

I do not believe in a "Zionist Kingdom." And you dishonestly say I do. I do believe in the national salvation of Israel, as even the Bible says:

Rom 11.26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

So you don't want me to believe what Paul said? Either that, or you're arbitrarily redefining "Israel" to mean something else? What will it be, troublemaker?

How is this speaking of an ethnic nation of Israel since Paul says it is through the fullness of the Gentiles being grafted in with Israel of faith that is how "all Israel shall be saved"?

Romans 11:25-26 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[MatthewG]

Our ascending to heaven after our body dies is not a resurrection. Believers ascend to heaven a living soul, as a spiritual body after we die, because in time, we had part in the first resurrection. The first resurrection man must partake in time to overcome the second death is the resurrection of Christ. He is the first resurrection, and when we partake of His resurrection life in time, we have eternal life and have overcome sin and the second death.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

John 11:25-26 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Acts 26:23 (KJV) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Romans 6:4-9 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

John is showing us that in time, which a thousand years equates to, we must live and reign with Christ by partaking of His resurrection life, through birth from above. We must be born again or born from above in time, to know and enter the Kingdom of God. Christ tells us "Ye must be born again" of the Spirit to know and enter the Kingdom of God in time (a thousand years). Then we shall never die, our spirit will live forever through His Spirit in us, even though our body dies.

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5-8 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Oh I believe the thousand years thing is completed bud.

I believe when we die we are resurrected like you said, and enter into the kingdom of God. There is also resurrection for unbelievers who are outside the kingdom.

Sold out for the gospel of Christ his death burial and resurrection.

Love to you, no one gotta believe me, have a good night rwb.

 

[rwb]

Oh I believe the thousand years thing is completed bud.

I believe when we die we are resurrected like you said, and enter into the kingdom of God. There is also resurrection for unbelievers who are outside the kingdom.

Sold out for the gospel of Christ his death burial and resurrection.

Love to you, no one gotta believe me, have a good night rwb.

Since the thousand years equate to time. Scripture shows us that "there shall be time no longer" when the seventh angel begins to sound, because the mystery of God should be finished. Believers partake of resurrection life through Christ in time, not after we die. Why would believers need to be resurrected to spiritual life after physical death since Christ tells us that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall never die? The resurrection for unbelievers or those John says are "the dead" will be physical resurrected from the graves at the same hour the righteous in the graves will be physically resurrected and changed from mortal to immortal and corruption to incorruptible.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The physical resurrection in the hour coming for both those who have done good and those who have done evil is not the "first resurrection". The first resurrection is what those of faith partake of in TIME. The physical resurrection coming will be when time shall be no longer.

Blessings to you and yours.

 

[MatthewG]

Since the thousand years equate to time. Scripture shows us that "there shall be time no longer" when the seventh angel begins to sound, because the mystery of God should be finished. Believers partake of resurrection life through Christ in time, not after we die. Why would believers need to be resurrected to spiritual life after physical death since Christ tells us that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall never die? The resurrection for unbelievers or those John says are "the dead" will be physical resurrected from the graves at the same hour the righteous in the graves will be physically resurrected and changed from mortal to immortal and corruption to incorruptible.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The physical resurrection in the hour coming for both those who have done good and those who have done evil is not the "first resurrection". The first resurrection is what those of faith partake of in TIME. The physical resurrection coming will be when time shall be no longer.

Blessings to you and yours.

Cool man, everyone has subjective ways they see things with the use of the Bible, thank you for sharing what way you believe things the use of scripture.

Yes sir, we may not see eye to eye but I won’t hate you, or see your view as inferior.

 

[Timtofly]

It appears you need to grasp the fact "Thousand Years" in Revelation 20:4-6 is doing nothing more than explaining (The Lord's Eternal Spiritual Realm) where One Day Is A "Thousand Years" "No Literal Time"

Today in a world of inflation and big numbers, the interpretation could be seen as a "Trillion Years" Non-Literal

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So parables don't work any more? All symbolism needs to catch up with inflation?

 

[Truth7t7]

I do not believe in a "Zionist Kingdom." And you dishonestly say I do. I do believe in the national salvation of Israel, as even the Bible says:

Rom 11.26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

So you don't want me to believe what Paul said? Either that, or you're arbitrarily redefining "Israel" to mean something else? What will it be, troublemaker?

Troublemaker?

Of course I'm going to expose your false Pro-Zionist teachings, get use to it

When the last person receives salvation upon earth and added to the Church, then "All Israel Will Be Saved"

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Timtofly]

If the first resurrection is physical and future of the righteous, followed at some point by the physical resurrection of the wicked, why does John see martyred faithful saints alive in heaven after physical death because they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years?

How can the righteous be seen alive in heaven having lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years if they shall not live again until the thousand years have ended?

Because since the Cross all the redeemed are physically enjoying Paradise which is physical with the physical tree of life and the physical temple, where they physically serve day and night. They have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They don't marry nor procreate. They are as the angels, but in their natural God given human form.

The last day resurrection for the OT was the Cross. Abraham's bosom was emptied out, and they physically ascended to Paradise with Jesus, Sunday morning after Jesus talked to Mary. Now souls go straight to Paradise, and no longer wait around without bodies in Abraham's bosom. That scene in Revelation 7 has been a reality since 30AD. People have arrived daily since the first century. No one is in heaven in spirit. The spirit restoration and glorification happens at the Second Coming. How people are currently in Paradise, will be the same state as humans during the Millennium on earth. Except they will marry and procreate, because that is how we arrive in the 10's of billions at the end of the 1,000 years. Amil's Millennium is currently happening in Paradise for the last 1992 years. Amil just cannot seem to get resurrections correct. The only people still in their graves are the unredeemed, who rejected the gospel message, and all the OT in sheol, that have been there since the Flood destroyed them all.

The sheep and wheat are living humans after the Second Coming, who are not resurrected. They never physically die. Their souls are translated into permanent incorruptible physical bodies like Enoch was who never tasted death. The only ones resurrected at the Second Coming are those who are beheaded, because they literally physically died. Beheaded is not symbolic. They don't go around without heads like some here claim; a spiritual headless spirit floating around heaven. They live with the 144k, the sheep, and the wheat on earth with Christ ruling over their offspring for dozens of generations. It is the final harvest and firstfruits of the Second Coming personally picked by Jesus and the angels who inhabit the earth.

Most of what Jesus taught to them in the first century will apply to those alive today who are chosen by Christ to rule with Him. Because what He taught was put on hold, until He returned as King. Amil claim this time of holding and waiting is the actual kingdom on earth, when it is not. The actual kingdom on earth only starts when the King is present on earth.