Last day prophecies fulfilled

[rwb]

Hi Rw, the good news of the Kingdom has been preached for nearly 2 millenniums sir, and according to Mat 24:14 that would be the culmination of the world at it's completion, thus moving God to send the Kingdom. That is when satan will be removed from the earth and bound for the next thousand years. Right now he and the demons still freely roam the earth, and the Kingdom has not came sir.

If Christ had not come with the Kingdom of God, why does He tell us that we must be born again to see (understand) and enter His Kingdom?

John 3:2-3 (KJV) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Christ would not speak of how we might understand and enter into the Kingdom of God without also destroying the power of the spiritual being called Satan. By His death and resurrection Christ not only defeated sin and death for all who would believe, He also bound the power of Satan, by proving to be more powerful than he. It takes Spiritual power greater than the spiritual being that Satan possesses to defeat him. That's why Christ says, "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you" (Lu 11:20). Christ proves He is not only more powerful than Satan, but also by demonstration of His power shows He has the power to perform miracles. Christ made it very clear that He ushered in by His Spirit the Kingdom of God with His first coming to earth a man.

Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Matthew 13:19 (KJV) When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

But Christ also made it very clear that the Kingdom of God is NOT now upon this earth, and will never be on THIS earth. And it cannot be physically observed, because the Kingdom of God He came with is spiritual and within you. His Kingdom is not now of this world because His Kingdom is a spiritual Kingdom being spiritually built in heaven.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

While you're looking for a physical Kingdom of God to come to this earth, have you, like the Pharisees of old missed the spiritual Kingdom of God that Christ came to earth with?

 

[dad]

When the saints are raptured, it is up to meet the Lord in the air. If John is speaking of the rapture, he would not say he would not say they have lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Do you really believe raptured saints will hang out in the air for one thousand years after Christ has come the second time?

Here's how it works. Jesus is in the air. He takes us up to be with Him. He returns with His saints (us). Therefore we will not be raised on the last day after the 1000 years. We are firstfruits.

So "the rest of the dead" who will stand before God to be judged are resurrected to live again for one thousand years to rule over who exactly?

Kingdoms. Peoples. Nations. After the wicked are removed there are people left apparently. Not like He shuttles them in from Mars.

Then after the thousand years they stand before God at the GWT and are then cast into the lake of fire? Hmmm, sounds a little like the wolf guarding the chicken coop???

The nations being ruled over will have the same choice you do. Love or reject Jesus
The ones cast into the lake are the dead of all ages who then get raised. The believers already were raised.

John writes of martyred (physically dead) souls, whom he sees alive in heaven after death, who have LIVED and REIGNED in TIME,

No They only reign after we return to earth with Him. Your tenses are wrong.

that John likens to a thousand years. Then he writes there are others also who SHALL reign with Christ in TIME he again likens to a thousand years. The reason John writes ALL saints, not matter when they have lived or shall live will be with Christ for the same thousand-year period of time is because John speaks of all time from the first advent to Christ's second coming as a thousand years. John cannot give a definitive time of exactly ONE thousand years, because no one knows the exact length of time that will pass from the beginning of this Messianic age of time, until the seventh angel begins to sound that this TIME shall be no longer.

So you are confused and we will not agree.

Then John writes of the fate of "the rest of the dead"

Not us. Christ makes us alive.

The rest of the dead are the same dead called to stand before God to be judged by what is found written in the books, and what is NOT found (their names) written in the book of life.

Great, so the unsaved wicked then. So?

 

[rwb]

Here's how it works. Jesus is in the air. He takes us up to be with Him. He returns with His saints (us). Therefore we will not be raised on the last day after the 1000 years. We are firstfruits.

But Christ does not return with those living (spirit) souls who with Him in the sky until He comes again the second time. When the last trumpet sounds, we will be physically resurrected, and our physical body changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible. At this same hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds, not only will the bodies of faithful saints be resurrected and changed, but the bodies of all who are not faithful saints (evil) will also be resurrected. The faithful to new indestructible immortality, and the unfaithful also physically resurrected to damnation. Once the seventh angel begins to sound that time shall be no longer, there will not be another one thousand years of time given to this earth, because this current earth will be utterly consumed by the fire of God that comes down from heaven after Satan has his "little season".

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Your doctrine is very confused because you have not rightly understood the first resurrection that must happen in time. Nor have you rightly understood that a thousand years equates to TIME that began with the first advent of Christ and will end when the seventh angel begins to sound that time should be no longer.

Kingdoms. Peoples. Nations. After the wicked are removed there are people left apparently. Not like He shuttles them in from Mars.

No one will survive the all consuming fire of God that will come with utter destruction of this earth and all that is upon it. When this heaven and earth are burned up, dissolved, melt with fervent heat we look for the new heavens and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. This fire of destruction that shall come upon this earth comes also with the destruction of all who are of antichrist and those who are antichristian, John calls them Gog & Magog.

2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 20:8-10 (KJV) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:11 (KJV) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

2 Peter 3:7-8 (KJV) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

As the Scripture shows us none will be able to survive the destruction by fire that shall come to this earth. After the saints are physically resurrected and given immortal and incorruptible physical bodies to live on the new earth, whosoever is left on this earth shall be consumed by fire without exception! There will be nothing left alive on this earth to be ruled and reigned over. Your doctrine is very confused.

No They only reign after we return to earth with Him. Your tenses are wrong.

No, your doctrine is in error! Those martyred saints are in heaven with the Lord spiritually alive as living souls because in TIME they lived and reigned with Christ. The same fate will be for whoever partakes of the first resurrection life through Christ shall also reign with Christ in TIME. A thousand years equates to time from the first advent of Christ, until the seventh angel begins to sound this TIME shall be no longer. That's why after this TIME, John writes a thousand years Satan shall be loosed for a little season. Satan is bound while the Gospel is being proclaimed unto all the nations of this world, and when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is completer TIME shall be no more.

So you are confused and we will not agree.

If I am confused and we will not agree, why haven't you proven through the Word of God how I am confused? I won't believe just because you say so! Unless you can prove what you allege from the Bible, all you have is unbiblical doctrine, and false accusations against doctrine you cannot refute.

 

[dad]

But Christ does not return with those living (spirit) souls who with Him in the sky until He comes again the second time. When the last trumpet sounds, we will be physically resurrected, and our physical body changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible.

Speak for yourself. I plan to come back DOWN to earth with jesus when He returns, not go in the air. The Rapture was before He comes back down to earth.

At this same hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds, not only will the bodies of faithful saints be resurrected and changed, but the bodies of all who are not faithful saints (evil) will also be resurrected.

No. The only saints here when He returns are the Tribulation saints. Then He rules with us 1000 years.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

That is not when the Bride goes up.

Your doctrine is very confused because you have not rightly understood the first resurrection that must happen in time. Nor have you rightly understood that a thousand years equates to TIME that began with the first advent of Christ and will end when the seventh angel begins to sound that time should be no longer.

No. Not me that is confused at all.

No one will survive the all consuming fire of God that will come with utter destruction of this earth and all that is upon it.

That is not when Jesus returns to rule the nations with us with a rod of iron.

When this heaven and earth are burned up, dissolved, melt with fervent heat we look for the new heavens and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. This fire of destruction that shall come upon this earth comes also with the destruction of all who are of antichrist and those who are antichristian, John calls them Gog & Magog.

That is after the 1000 years.

 

[rwb]

Speak for yourself. I plan to come back DOWN to earth with jesus when He returns, not go in the air. The Rapture was before He comes back down to earth.

Those coming back with Christ can only come back with Him because they are already spiritually with Him. They cannot be with Him physically because they will not be physically resurrected and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible until the last trumpet sounds. So, the martyred (physically dead) living souls John sees in heaven with the Lord are spiritual bodies in heaven as living souls.

When Christ comes again those who come with Him are saints who have already died (sleep) in Jesus. When a saint physically dies in Christ, since they have eternal spiritual life already, they leave their physical body and go as spiritual body to heaven, where they are as the angels in heaven (spirit beings). Christ says even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be alive as angels (spirit being) in heaven at the resurrection. The first resurrection that is the resurrection of Christ from the dead. The Old Covenant faithful shall also partake of the resurrection through Christ because while physically alive the showed their faith by believing the prophets who foretell of the Messiah who would come to redeem them from death. Because God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Matthew 22:29-32 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

No. The only saints here when He returns are the Tribulation saints. Then He rules with us 1000 years.

Prove what you allege.

That is not when the Bride goes up.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is when the saints are bodily resurrected and changed from mortal to immortal and corruption to incorruptible to live with Christ on the new earth. Our physical body is destined to grow sick, old, weak and die, that's why our physical body must be resurrected and changed to reunite with our eternal spirit to once again be as man was created to be in the beginning before sin and death through sin entered God's creation.

That is after the 1000 years.

Yes, Satan gathers together Gog & Magog (antichrists & antichristian) to try one last time to defeat Christ after the seventh angel sounds that time (a thousand years) shall be no longer. This is the purpose for which God gives Satan a "little season". Once Satan and his minions (Gog & Magog) surrounding the saints, appear they will be successful in keeping the Church from completing the Kingdom of God in heaven, God sends down fire from heaven to destroy them all along with the heavens that now are and this earth. Then we look for the new heaven and new earth where only righteousness shall dwell.

Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[dad]

Those coming back with Christ can only come back with Him because they are already spiritually with Him. They cannot be with Him physically because they will not be physically resurrected and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible until the last trumpet sounds.

Wrong. We have been resurrected and have new bodies before then.

So, the martyred (physically dead) living souls John sees in heaven with the Lord are spiritual bodies in heaven as living souls.

So what? If they died after the Rapture, of course they have to wait for the next elevator!

Prove what you allege.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him:

Revelation 5:10
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.'

Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“ The LORD is one,”
And His name one.

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?


14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is when the saints are bodily resurrected and changed from mortal to immortal and corruption to incorruptible to live with Christ on the new earth.

The final white throne judgment is after the 1000 years.

Rev 20:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, ......


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Our physical body is destined to grow sick, old, weak and die, that's why our physical body must be resurrected and changed to reunite with our eternal spirit to once again be as man was created to be in the beginning before sin and death through sin entered God's creation.

Even if the body is dead. The dead will rise first in the Rapture immediately followed by believers who are alive.

Yes, Satan gathers together Gog & Magog (antichrists & antichristian) to try one last time to defeat Christ after the seventh angel sounds that time (a thousand years) shall be no longer. This is the purpose for which God gives Satan a "little season". Once Satan and his minions (Gog & Magog) surrounding the saints, appear they will be successful in keeping the Church from completing the Kingdom of God in heaven,

False. The church was long gone when the Tribulation was going on. Forget due from heaven to destroy them all along with the heavens that now are and this earth. Then we look for the new heaven and new earth where only righteousness shall dwell.

 

[Robert Gwin]

If Christ had not come with the Kingdom of God, why does He tell us that we must be born again to see (understand) and enter His Kingdom?

John 3:2-3 (KJV) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Christ would not speak of how we might understand and enter into the Kingdom of God without also destroying the power of the spiritual being called Satan. By His death and resurrection Christ not only defeated sin and death for all who would believe, He also bound the power of Satan, by proving to be more powerful than he. It takes Spiritual power greater than the spiritual being that Satan possesses to defeat him. That's why Christ says, "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you" (Lu 11:20). Christ proves He is not only more powerful than Satan, but also by demonstration of His power shows He has the power to perform miracles. Christ made it very clear that He ushered in by His Spirit the Kingdom of God with His first coming to earth a man.

Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Matthew 13:19 (KJV) When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

But Christ also made it very clear that the Kingdom of God is NOT now upon this earth, and will never be on THIS earth. And it cannot be physically observed, because the Kingdom of God He came with is spiritual and within you. His Kingdom is not now of this world because His Kingdom is a spiritual Kingdom being spiritually built in heaven.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

While you're looking for a physical Kingdom of God to come to this earth, have you, like the Pharisees of old missed the spiritual Kingdom of God that Christ came to earth with?

We understand it much differently for sure Rw, If you can find an alternate explanation of the verses I posted, I am willing to listen. Jesus did not come with a spiritual Kingdom when he came, but he did make others aware of it, and even made a covenant with his faithful 11 to have a part in it.

I don't know if this will help or not, but when Jesus returned to heaven, he sat at the right hand of Jehovah until the appointed time for him to become King of that Kingdom, when that happened, then the heavenly Kingdom was established Rev 6:2; 12:7-9. This entered us into the last days of this world and before the generation expires, the Kingdom will come sir Mat 24; 6:10

 

[rwb]

We understand it much differently for sure Rw, If you can find an alternate explanation of the verses I posted, I am willing to listen. Jesus did not come with a spiritual Kingdom when he came, but he did make others aware of it, and even made a covenant with his faithful 11 to have a part in it.

Where/what is the Kingdom that Christ references when He was here casting out devils? Why would Christ say "the Kingdom of God is come upon you?"

Luke 11:20 (KJV) But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

And if Jesus had not come with His Kingdom through His Spirit, or a spiritual Kingdom, why did He say, "the Kingdom of God is within you?"

Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

If Jesus had not come with His Kingdom spiritually, why does He say the Kingdom of God is "joy in the Holy Ghost."?

Romans 14:17 (KJV) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

And why would Jesus instruct us how to enter into the Kingdom of God through birth from above, birth from the Spirit since the Kingdom of God cannot be seen with physical sight, nor can one understand or enter the Kingdom of God through physical birth? If Christ has not come with the spiritual Kingdom of God, why does He say we must be born again of the Spirit to know and enter into the Kingdom. "Ye must be born again". Why would we need to be born again if Christ has not spiritually ushered in the Kingdom of God, that is not now of this world a physical kingdom, but is found within believers and is the Kingdom of heaven?

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

How could the eleven or any other people of faith be part in a Kingdom that cannot be physically seen because it is within the faithful? Something must first exist to be part in it, yes?

I don't know if this will help or not, but when Jesus returned to heaven, he sat at the right hand of Jehovah until the appointed time for him to become King of that Kingdom, when that happened, then the heavenly Kingdom was established Rev 6:2; 12:7-9. This entered us into the last days of this world and before the generation expires, the Kingdom will come sir Mat 24; 6:10

When Christ ascended to heaven He was given Him dominion, glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him. This dominion and Kingdom given to Christ when He ascended to heaven is everlasting, and shall never pass away, nor be destroyed.
The Kingdom of God was not physically manifested upon this earth when Christ ascended to heaven after His resurrection. But according to Daniel Christ received a Kingdom then. How is the Kingdom that Christ received made known to be an everlasting Kingdom that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him, unless it is a spiritual Kingdom within people of faith throughout the world? How do His people of faith serve Him if not spiritually, through His Kingdom within us, made known to us through the Spirit?

Mark 16:19 (KJV) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Acts 1:9-10 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Matthew 24 describes all that shall come upon this earth as the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being built completed as the Gospel is proclaimed to all the nations of the world. After the Kingdom is preached in all the world, and the Kingdom of God in heaven complete, then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

When teaching His disciples how to pray, Christ is not telling them to pray for Thy Kingdom to come. Christ is telling them/us to pray the will of God will be done in earth as in heaven, because it is in doing His will here while on earth that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete as faithful saints proclaiming the Gospel of Christ unto all the nations of the world, and all who believe by grace through faith understand, and enter into the Kingdom of God through His Spirit in us.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Where/what is the Kingdom that Christ references when He was here casting out devils? Why would Christ say "the Kingdom of God is come upon you?"

Luke 11:20 (KJV) But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

And if Jesus had not come with His Kingdom through His Spirit, or a spiritual Kingdom, why did He say, "the Kingdom of God is within you?"

Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

If Jesus had not come with His Kingdom spiritually, why does He say the Kingdom of God is "joy in the Holy Ghost."?

Romans 14:17 (KJV) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

And why would Jesus instruct us how to enter into the Kingdom of God through birth from above, birth from the Spirit since the Kingdom of God cannot be seen with physical sight, nor can one understand or enter the Kingdom of God through physical birth? If Christ has not come with the spiritual Kingdom of God, why does He say we must be born again of the Spirit to know and enter into the Kingdom. "Ye must be born again". Why would we need to be born again if Christ has not spiritually ushered in the Kingdom of God, that is not now of this world a physical kingdom, but is found within believers and is the Kingdom of heaven?

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

How could the eleven or any other people of faith be part in a Kingdom that cannot be physically seen because it is within the faithful? Something must first exist to be part in it, yes?



When Christ ascended to heaven He was given Him dominion, glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him. This dominion and Kingdom given to Christ when He ascended to heaven is everlasting, and shall never pass away, nor be destroyed.
The Kingdom of God was not physically manifested upon this earth when Christ ascended to heaven after His resurrection. But according to Daniel Christ received a Kingdom then. How is the Kingdom that Christ received made known to be an everlasting Kingdom that all people, nations, and languages should serve Him, unless it is a spiritual Kingdom within people of faith throughout the world? How do His people of faith serve Him if not spiritually, through His Kingdom within us, made known to us through the Spirit?

Mark 16:19 (KJV) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Acts 1:9-10 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Matthew 24 describes all that shall come upon this earth as the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being built completed as the Gospel is proclaimed to all the nations of the world. After the Kingdom is preached in all the world, and the Kingdom of God in heaven complete, then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

When teaching His disciples how to pray, Christ is not telling them to pray for Thy Kingdom to come. Christ is telling them/us to pray the will of God will be done in earth as in heaven, because it is in doing His will here while on earth that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete as faithful saints proclaiming the Gospel of Christ unto all the nations of the world, and all who believe by grace through faith understand, and enter into the Kingdom of God through His Spirit in us.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

And if Jesus had not come with His Kingdom through His Spirit, or a spiritual Kingdom, why did He say, "the Kingdom of God is within you?"

I explaned it well Rw, your version of the Bible states that, not mine. We do not teach the Kingdom of God is within those Pharisees Jesus said that to, we teach it like your last part of your post, as a real government that is coming and will remove all existing Kingdoms. It has not came yet sir, but if you are alive at the time you will observe it's coming.

 

[rwb]

I explaned it well Rw, your version of the Bible states that, not mine. We do not teach the Kingdom of God is within those Pharisees Jesus said that to, we teach it like your last part of your post, as a real government that is coming and will remove all existing Kingdoms. It has not came yet sir, but if you are alive at the time you will observe it's coming.

I agree the Kingdom of God is not in the Pharisees Jesus spoke to. The Kingdom of God can only be understood and spiritually entered through birth from above. Remember Christ telling Nicodemus "Ye must be born again" or born from above through His Spirit. And though one might question the spiritual state of Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee, the Pharisees Jesus was speaking to were reprobate and had not the life-giving Spirit within them giving them understanding and showing them the way to spiritually enter the Kingdom of God Christ brought when He came to earth.

I fear that you, like these Pharisees of old are so preoccupied looking for a physical Kingdom of God on this earth that you have not understanding, nor entered the spiritual Kingdom of God through re-birth from above.

I'm curious about what version of Holy Scripture you find is different than the KJV among other faithful translations of Holy Scripture that I study from. If your version of Scripture omits Christ saying "the Kingdom of God is within you", then I would not place much trust in your translation.

Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:21 (YLT) nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'
Luke 17:21 (WEB) neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:21 (Bish) Neither shall they say, lo here, or lo there: For beholde, the kyngdome of God is within you.
Luke 17:21 (ASV) neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Do you deny the Kingdom Christ came in is "within you" as most translations show Christ says because you use the New World Translation published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society for Jehovah's Witnesses?

Luke 17:21 (NWT) neither will people be saying, 'See here!' or, 'There!' For, look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst.'

 

[Robert Gwin]

I agree the Kingdom of God is not in the Pharisees Jesus spoke to. The Kingdom of God can only be understood and spiritually entered through birth from above. Remember Christ telling Nicodemus "Ye must be born again" or born from above through His Spirit. And though one might question the spiritual state of Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee, the Pharisees Jesus was speaking to were reprobate and had not the life-giving Spirit within them giving them understanding and showing them the way to spiritually enter the Kingdom of God Christ brought when He came to earth.

I fear that you, like these Pharisees of old are so preoccupied looking for a physical Kingdom of God on this earth that you have not understanding, nor entered the spiritual Kingdom of God through re-birth from above.

I'm curious about what version of Holy Scripture you find is different than the KJV among other faithful translations of Holy Scripture that I study from. If your version of Scripture omits Christ saying "the Kingdom of God is within you", then I would not place much trust in your translation.

Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:21 (YLT) nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'
Luke 17:21 (WEB) neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:21 (Bish) Neither shall they say, lo here, or lo there: For beholde, the kyngdome of God is within you.
Luke 17:21 (ASV) neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Do you deny the Kingdom Christ came in is "within you" as most translations show Christ says because you use the New World Translation published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society for Jehovah's Witnesses?

Luke 17:21 (NWT) neither will people be saying, 'See here!' or, 'There!' For, look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst.'

My point was that the Kingdom is not within anyone, that the passage was altered. The true meaning is that Jesus was among them, he is the King of God's Kingdom. And yes we believe it is a literal Kingdom, and that it will replace every existing Kingdom on the face of the earth in the very near future. You have prayed for it's coming, as has everyone here, and each and every day we are getting closer to that reality.

 

[Keturah]

then I am an antichrist too
a christian is someone who follows the steps of christ but I'm not

I see you checked Christian as your faith. While I agree that term is insufficient in today's society as a mark of righteousness, what faith do you believe in ?

 

[Keturah]

but how does a person who is not a christian make them an antichrist??
I don't think that's always the case
what about them who literally do not know God and died
they die as an antichrist so they'll go straight to hell I don't think that's how righteousness works so it is up to God

All unbelievers shall have their part in the lake of fire.
There is no intermediary place to wait for folks to decide on salvations plan after God closes the book.
Today is the day of salvation!

 

[rwb]

My point was that the Kingdom is not within anyone, that the passage was altered. The true meaning is that Jesus was among them, he is the King of God's Kingdom. And yes we believe it is a literal Kingdom, and that it will replace every existing Kingdom on the face of the earth in the very near future. You have prayed for it's coming, as has everyone here, and each and every day we are getting closer to that reality.

I know what your point is Robert. I have great confidence in the majority of translations that say, "the Kingdom of God is within you". Why would Christ say this? Because the Kingdom of God within believers is through the Spirit within believers. The Spirit does not enter within us physically, but spiritually being the Spirit of Christ. Having His Spirit within is proof that we both understand and have entered the Kingdom of God when we are born of the Spirit, just as Christ teaches when He says "Ye must be born again" to both understand (see/know) and enter the Kingdom of God. This new birth from above is not physical, but by His Spirit in us, a spiritual re-birth within our spirit, which is where the breath of life in mankind originates and gives life to our body. To possess the Holy Spirit within means our spirit has gone from being carnally minded we are as natural man, to being spiritually minded, and we become a new man, a spiritual man. With the Spirit within us, we possess the ability to discern the things of God through His Spirit within us.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Christ is ruling over the Kingdom of God through His people on this earth from heaven He received when He ascended to the Father in heaven. Since the people of God, those spiritually entering into the Kingdom of God through the Spirit of Christ in us, are found throughout the earth, coming into the Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed and by grace through faith believe Christ, then Christ is indeed ruling and reigning now over HIS SPIRITUAL KINGDOM on earth that is WITHIN all who belong to Him according to grace by faith throughout the earth, wherever believers may be found.

Christ is not ruling and reigning over the kingdom of darkness and death ruled by spiritual powers of evil. Though Christ has been given all authority over all things on earth, He will not rule over those who remain under the power of evil and wickedness. They remain of their father the Devil, and he rules over them. Christ does not rule over any who cannot possess His Spirit. For it is through the Spirit that we can know the things of God. The world of unbelievers do not have the Spirit to teach them and give them everlasting life. Instead, when Christ returns the second time, He will destroy them all.

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We do NOT pray the Kingdom of God will physically come to this earth. We pray thy Kingdom come as it is in heaven, a spiritual habitation of God and His holy angels. Because we enter into the Kingdom of heaven by doing the will of God spiritually on earth. As we proclaim the Gospel and those who shall believe in Christ spiritually enter the Kingdom of God by spiritual re-birth, the Kingdom of God in heaven is being complete.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I know what your point is Robert. I have great confidence in the majority of translations that say, "the Kingdom of God is within you". Why would Christ say this? Because the Kingdom of God within believers is through the Spirit within believers. The Spirit does not enter within us physically, but spiritually being the Spirit of Christ. Having His Spirit within is proof that we both understand and have entered the Kingdom of God when we are born of the Spirit, just as Christ teaches when He says "Ye must be born again" to both understand (see/know) and enter the Kingdom of God. This new birth from above is not physical, but by His Spirit in us, a spiritual re-birth within our spirit, which is where the breath of life in mankind originates and gives life to our body. To possess the Holy Spirit within means our spirit has gone from being carnally minded we are as natural man, to being spiritually minded, and we become a new man, a spiritual man. With the Spirit within us, we possess the ability to discern the things of God through His Spirit within us.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Christ is ruling over the Kingdom of God through His people on this earth from heaven He received when He ascended to the Father in heaven. Since the people of God, those spiritually entering into the Kingdom of God through the Spirit of Christ in us, are found throughout the earth, coming into the Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed and by grace through faith believe Christ, then Christ is indeed ruling and reigning now over HIS SPIRITUAL KINGDOM on earth that is WITHIN all who belong to Him according to grace by faith throughout the earth, wherever believers may be found.

Christ is not ruling and reigning over the kingdom of darkness and death ruled by spiritual powers of evil. Though Christ has been given all authority over all things on earth, He will not rule over those who remain under the power of evil and wickedness. They remain of their father the Devil, and he rules over them. Christ does not rule over any who cannot possess His Spirit. For it is through the Spirit that we can know the things of God. The world of unbelievers do not have the Spirit to teach them and give them everlasting life. Instead, when Christ returns the second time, He will destroy them all.

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We do NOT pray the Kingdom of God will physically come to this earth. We pray thy Kingdom come as it is in heaven, a spiritual habitation of God and His holy angels. Because we enter into the Kingdom of heaven by doing the will of God spiritually on earth. As we proclaim the Gospel and those who shall believe in Christ spiritually enter the Kingdom of God by spiritual re-birth, the Kingdom of God in heaven is being complete.

I know what your point is Robert. I have great confidence in the majority of translations that say, "the Kingdom of God is within you". Why would Christ say this? Because the Kingdom of God within believers is through the Spirit within believers. The Spirit does not enter within us physically, but spiritually being the Spirit of Christ. Having His Spirit within is proof that we both understand and have entered the Kingdom of God when we are born of the Spirit, just as Christ teaches when He says "Ye must be born again" to both understand (see/know) and enter the Kingdom of God. This new birth from above is not physical, but by His Spirit in us, a spiritual re-birth within our spirit, which is where the breath of life in mankind originates and gives life to our body. To possess the Holy Spirit within means our spirit has gone from being carnally minded we are as natural man, to being spiritually minded, and we become a new man, a spiritual man. With the Spirit within us, we possess the ability to discern the things of God through His Spirit within us.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Christ is ruling over the Kingdom of God through His people on this earth from heaven He received when He ascended to the Father in heaven. Since the people of God, those spiritually entering into the Kingdom of God through the Spirit of Christ in us, are found throughout the earth, coming into the Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed and by grace through faith believe Christ, then Christ is indeed ruling and reigning now over HIS SPIRITUAL KINGDOM on earth that is WITHIN all who belong to Him according to grace by faith throughout the earth, wherever believers may be found.

Christ is not ruling and reigning over the kingdom of darkness and death ruled by spiritual powers of evil. Though Christ has been given all authority over all things on earth, He will not rule over those who remain under the power of evil and wickedness. They remain of their father the Devil, and he rules over them. Christ does not rule over any who cannot possess His Spirit. For it is through the Spirit that we can know the things of God. The world of unbelievers do not have the Spirit to teach them and give them everlasting life. Instead, when Christ returns the second time, He will destroy them all.

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We do NOT pray the Kingdom of God will physically come to this earth. We pray thy Kingdom come as it is in heaven, a spiritual habitation of God and His holy angels. Because we enter into the Kingdom of heaven by doing the will of God spiritually on earth. As we proclaim the Gospel and those who shall believe in Christ spiritually enter the Kingdom of God by spiritual re-birth, the Kingdom of God in heaven is being complete.

We do NOT pray the Kingdom of God will physically come to this earth. We pray thy Kingdom come as it is in heaven, a spiritual habitation of God and His holy angels.

Strange Rw, I thought that your version of the Bible included thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven sir. Perhaps Mat 5:5 might help, where is the fulfillment of Rev 21:3,4 take place RW?

 

[rwb]

Strange Rw, I thought that your version of the Bible included thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven sir. Perhaps Mat 5:5 might help, where is the fulfillment of Rev 21:3,4 take place RW?

Our disagreement Robert comes because you want the verse to read Christ saying we should pray Thy Kingdom come to this earth. Christ does not say we should pray that His Kingdom come to this earth. He tells us to pray "Thy Kingdom come" then Christ tells us how our praying for "Thy Kingdom come" will come by praying God's will be done in earth, just as His will is done in heaven. Luke says this more clearly. Neither Matthew, nor Luke tell us to pray to God that His Kingdom come to this earth. That is reading your preconceived opinion into the text.

Thy will be done on earth, NOT Thy Kingdom come to this earth.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Luke 11:2 (KJV) And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Both Matthew 5:5 and Rev 21:1-4 tell us believers shall inherit the new earth. Why would we want to inherit this sin cursed earth destined to by burned up? Believers will inherit the new earth after this first heaven and earth pass away. That's clear when we read Rev 21 in context.

Matthew 5:5 (KJV) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Revelation 21:1-4 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Revelation 13
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

I believe I've been witnessing people from all over the world following after a beast.As of late,many from Ukraine has moved to his kingdom.People have been following after it ever since it's deadly wound was healed in 1948.
These people who have been following the beast are people from many nations and speak many languages.

Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.




I'm expecting a second beast to appear in his kingdom in a few years from now.We'll see how that goes.

 

[shilohsfoal]

PS
I also pray "thy kingdom come"even though I have received the holy spirit.I also understand the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of God.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Alot of people want to believe This kingdom has come but they don't offer any dates to when they believe the seventh trump sounded.

 

[Davy]

PS
I also pray "thy kingdom come"even though I have received the holy spirit.I also understand the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of God.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Alot of people want to believe This kingdom has come but they don't offer any dates to when they believe the seventh trump sounded.

There's a whole... lot more Bible prophecy they'd have to prove than just that too.

Today is similar to the 1970's when few heard or understood the globalist terms "New World Order" and "one world government". Likewise, many Churches have been lied to about Christ's future Kingdom to come, told that it is already here, and that it's our job to create the physical reality of it, even WITHOUT JESUS HAVING RETURNED.

So the biggest prophecy that is required to make their theory true, is... where's Lord Jesus today on earth, because it is written that He will physically return to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from?

No, they cannot produce him, but will believe on a fake that is coming to claim to be God. And that is what the New World Order hosts of Satan's servants are preparing them for.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Our disagreement Robert comes because you want the verse to read Christ saying we should pray Thy Kingdom come to this earth. Christ does not say we should pray that His Kingdom come to this earth. He tells us to pray "Thy Kingdom come" then Christ tells us how our praying for "Thy Kingdom come" will come by praying God's will be done in earth, just as His will is done in heaven. Luke says this more clearly. Neither Matthew, nor Luke tell us to pray to God that His Kingdom come to this earth. That is reading your preconceived opinion into the text.

Thy will be done on earth, NOT Thy Kingdom come to this earth.

Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Luke 11:2 (KJV) And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Both Matthew 5:5 and Rev 21:1-4 tell us believers shall inherit the new earth. Why would we want to inherit this sin cursed earth destined to by burned up? Believers will inherit the new earth after this first heaven and earth pass away. That's clear when we read Rev 21 in context.

Matthew 5:5 (KJV) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Revelation 21:1-4 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

If I'm not mistaken ,God promised a certain parcel of land to Abraham and his seed for an everlasting possession.
I know your not trying to say God will not keep his promise he made to Abraham and his seed are you?
Everlasting is a really long time and I'm sure Abraham and his seed are expecting the land that God showed Abraham.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

I'm sure God will not break his word to Abraham and his seed.Everlasting is a long long time and Abraham hasn't even started to live everlasting yet.