What does the Bible say about Grace and Good Works?

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Bible Highlighter

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I fear you may never understand that fact and keep pumping your chest while attacking others
No chest beating here.
I am nothing and Christ is everything.
Any or all good that is done in the life of a believer is from Christ (Who is God).
I also don’t make the rules. God does.
I did not write the Bible on the standard of righteousness for the saints. God did. It has nothing to do with me.
I am also not singling out Dan alone on this issue, either.
As I said before, those who believe they don’t lose salvation by sin also tend to love worldly sinful movies, and TV shows.
This of course may not describe all of them (of course), but it simply has been my experience over my many years talking with them.
For if sin does not separate you from God, then the promotion of a sinful TV series is not a big deal.
Again, I already made my case that this pic is from a TV show and I pointed out how the show promotes sin.
So then why does he still have the pic up (After I have said these things)? I say this because God‘s Word teaches us to put away sin out of our lives.
 
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Grace saves. period.

24/7 we are in need of a savior. and it is by grace we are being saved all day long

The HS and new birth is what gives us the ability to work.. as we are new creatures in christ. a dog returneth to his vomit because he is stioll a dog. a born again child of God can not sin, because he has been born of God (the apostle john)
If grace is all that saves, then why did Jesus agree with the lawyer that to love God and love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life? Why did the apostle Paul back him up by saying that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and knows nothing? See 1 Timothy 6:3-4. Paul even said that if you do not provide for your own, you have denied the faith, and are worse than an infidel (unbeliever) (1 Timothy 5:8). An unbeliever cannot be worse than an unbeliever. Only a believer can be that way. Why does Revelation end with blessed are they that do his commandments, for they have right to the tree of life and enter in through the gates of the city? See: Revelation 22:14.
 
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the same as the sacrificial lambs on the day of atonement. To make redemption for the sin of the people
I thought you felt that way, and in a way that is true, but those previous sacrifices for sin were not about everlasting life E, Jesus' sacrifice bought back what Adam lost, life. Unless we sin against the holy spirit, our death pays that Rom 6:7,23 Jesus' sacrifice released us from inherited death, but even in that, for us to be granted everlasting life, we have to be tested as was Adam. Rev 20:3,7,8
 

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I thought you felt that way, and in a way that is true, but those previous sacrifices for sin were not about everlasting life E, Jesus' sacrifice bought back what Adam lost, life. Unless we sin against the holy spirit, our death pays that Rom 6:7,23 Jesus' sacrifice released us from inherited death, but even in that, for us to be granted everlasting life, we have to be tested as was Adam. Rev 20:3,7,8
Those sacrifices were a teacher, to lead us to christ. As the good books says. He gave one sacrifice (himself) and then sat down by the right hand of God continuing to make intercession.

The penalty of sin is death. The gift of God is eternal life

you dont get tested for a gift.

wake up!!
 
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Those sacrifices were a teacher, to lead us to christ. As the good books says. He gave one sacrifice (himself) and then sat down by the right hand of God continuing to make intercession.

The penalty of sin is death. The gift of God is eternal life

you dont get tested for a gift.

wake up!!
Really? Gen 3:1-5 And in the future:
(Revelation 20:7, 8) . . .Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. . .
 

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Really? Gen 3:1-5 And in the future:
(Revelation 20:7, 8) . . .Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. . .
What does this have to do with the penalty of sin. Give me a break man..
 

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Really? Gen 3:1-5 And in the future:
(Revelation 20:7, 8) . . .Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. . .

What does this have to do with the penalty of sin. Give me a break man..
You said:
you dont get tested for a gift.
wake up!!

My answer was in response to that E. It is sometimes easy to forget what we say, and the other person is commenting on. Heck it happens to me all the time.
 

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You said:
you dont get tested for a gift.
wake up!!

My answer was in response to that E. It is sometimes easy to forget what we say, and the other person is commenting on. Heck it happens to me all the time.
I see nothing in those passages about being tested for a gift. which is why I commented the way I did.

you don't get tested for a gift. A gift is freely given. paid for by the giver

you get tested for a wage or reward.. which you pay for yourself by hard work..

salvation is a gift. not a reward/
 

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I see nothing in those passages about being tested for a gift. which is why I commented the way I did.

you don't get tested for a gift. A gift is freely given. paid for by the giver

you get tested for a wage or reward.. which you pay for yourself by hard work..

salvation is a gift. not a reward/
While I love Robert Gwin as a human being, I don’t love his false religion. It’s unfortunate, but Robert Gwin is a Jehovah’s Witness who refuses to repent of his false religion and to see the truth of God’s Word and who hides under the label of Christian seeking to not spare the true flock of God. Here is my thread on why they are not of God.

Reasons Why The Jehovah’s Witness Religion is False (Despite My Love for Them as Human Beings)

So I don’t give him the time of day (Since my giving him my rebuke of his false religion).

However, you said, “you don’t get tested for a gift.”
However, Christians are tested according to Scripture, though.

Allow me to explain:

We have access to God’s grace through faith (Romans 5:1-2).

Romans 5:1-2
”Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Faith is what is tested.

James 1:2-3
"My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience."

Jesus not only baptizes us with the Holy Spirit but He also baptizes us with fire, too (See: Matthew 3:11).
This baptism of fire is the testing of our faith by our enduring suffering or persecution for Christ’s sake.

1 Peter 4:12-14
Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;”

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Peter 5:9 (BLB) "whom you... resist, firm in the faith,..."
1 Peter 5:9 (KJB) "knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world."

A great example of Christians enduring persecution and suffering for Christ’s sake as a part of the testing of their faith (i.e. the baptism of fire done by our Lord Jesus Christ) is illustrated in the film called, “Polycarp.”(Whereby we see Christians put to death for their faith in Jesus Christ).

Trailer:

Full Movie at Christian Movies Channel:

So our faith is what is tested, not the gift.
Christians need to stand firm in their faith to continually gain access to God’s grace.

We are told in the Bible:
“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).​
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).​
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​


We are told in the Bible:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

I hope this helps, and may the LORD Jesus Christ bless you today.
 
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I see nothing in those passages about being tested for a gift. which is why I commented the way I did.

you don't get tested for a gift. A gift is freely given. paid for by the giver

you get tested for a wage or reward.. which you pay for yourself by hard work..

salvation is a gift. not a reward/
In all honesty E, while the gift is free, there are requirements for that gift, are you aware of that? If you are not, do you believe everyone receives that gift? Likely you are aware that not all receive it, so may I ask you why those who don't, don't?
 

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In all honesty E, while the gift is free, there are requirements for that gift, are you aware of that? If you are not, do you believe everyone receives that gift? Likely you are aware that not all receive it, so may I ask you why those who don't, don't?
if there are requirements for the gift. then it is not a gift.

when anyone is given a gift. it is paid for by the giver. he gives the gift to the one he loved.

It does not mean the receiver will receive the gift.. they can reject it. and in doing so. will not receive the benefits of that gift.

if a gift comes with requirements to receive it. then it is not a gift.

if it comes with requirements to keep it after5 you receive it. It is not a gift.

not sure why this is so difficult for many to understand
 

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if there are requirements for the gift. then it is not a gift.

when anyone is given a gift. it is paid for by the giver. he gives the gift to the one he loved.

It does not mean the receiver will receive the gift.. they can reject it. and in doing so. will not receive the benefits of that gift.

if a gift comes with requirements to receive it. then it is not a gift.

if it comes with requirements to keep it after5 you receive it. It is not a gift.

not sure why this is so difficult for many to understand
Maybe this will help E, you believe the gift is eternal life correct? Rom 6:23
Since Adam and Eve had that gift, how did they lose it?
 

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Maybe this will help E, you believe the gift is eternal life correct? Rom 6:23
Since Adam and Eve had that gift, how did they lose it?
they did not have the gift.

We know this, because God said on the day you eat, you will die.

They were spiritually alive. and they EARNED it,. because they were without sin.

no one, with the exception of CHrist, has been in that relationship with God since. for all have sinned and fall short.

so everyone AFTER the fall. were required to recieve the gift (even adam and eve), because they are/were dead in tresspassaes and sin, to be brought to life.

Before the fall. adam and eve did not earn spiritual death. after, they could not earn spiritual life.

thats why the gift of life is a gift..
 

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they did not have the gift.

We know this, because God said on the day you eat, you will die.

They were spiritually alive. and they EARNED it,. because they were without sin.

no one, with the exception of CHrist, has been in that relationship with God since. for all have sinned and fall short.

so everyone AFTER the fall. were required to recieve the gift (even adam and eve), because they are/were dead in tresspassaes and sin, to be brought to life.

Before the fall. adam and eve did not earn spiritual death. after, they could not earn spiritual life.

thats why the gift of life is a gift..
Make no mistake E, after satan is released many of those who have the gift of everlasting life is going to lose it Rev 20:7,8. Adam and Eve had eternal life created into them, by choosing not to live up to the requirements, they lost it. Sin will not be tolerated among those who receive the gift of life.
 

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Make no mistake E, after satan is released many of those who have the gift of everlasting life is going to lose it Rev 20:7,8. Adam and Eve had eternal life created into them, by choosing not to live up to the requirements, they lost it. Sin will not be tolerated among those who receive the gift of life.
Make no mistake my friend

When God makes a promise, he keeps it.

It is on Gods shoulders to keep his gift. not our shoulders to earn something we could never earn

You want to try to earn it, feel free.. You will however lose, as has every person who ever tried to get to God based on their works.
 

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Make no mistake my friend

When God makes a promise, he keeps it.

It is on Gods shoulders to keep his gift. not our shoulders to earn something we could never earn

You want to try to earn it, feel free.. You will however lose, as has every person who ever tried to get to God based on their works.
You cannot earn it E, but you certainly can lose it. Toward the end of the apostles life, the prophesied apostasy was well under way. Many were just like you, telling others all you had to do is believe, to have faith you are correct thought, It is a gift, but I have to side with James, the brother of Jesus who penned the words of God that said: (James 2:24) . . .You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. So you can deceive yourself into believing that believing on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved Acts 16:31 that is fine, but you had better consider a Bible as a whole, because while what you said about having faith is true, without works it is nothing. Take note of Mat 7:21, and 2 Thes 1:8 because I know you don't believe me, but how bout God? Those are His words sir.
 

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You cannot earn it E, but you certainly can lose it.
if you can lose it. you MUST earn it.

there is really no difference in saying you must work in order to recieve. or saying you recieve in faith. but must work to keep it. In both cases. you are trying to earn your salvation by what you do or do not do. which is works
Toward the end of the apostles life, the prophesied apostasy was well under way. Many were just like you, telling others all you had to do is believe, to have faith you are correct thought, It is a gift, but I have to side with James, the brother of Jesus who penned the words of God that said: (James 2:24) . . .You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. So you can deceive yourself into believing that believing on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved Acts 16:31 that is fine, but you had better consider a Bible as a whole, because while what you said about having faith is true, without works it is nothing. Take note of Mat 7:21, and 2 Thes 1:8 because I know you don't believe me, but how bout God? Those are His words sir.
funny how you guys always resort to James. as if James contradicts paul.. Which is not true.

the People james spoke to were hearers only, not doers. they CLAIMED to have faith. but the fact thay had zero works proved their faith was dead.

They had no faith.. Thus why they were never justified.

we are justified by faith. Because there is no amout of work we can do to earn our right standing with God.

Maybe one day you will understand what that requirement is, and confess. you have not made it and confess, because of this, you never will.
 
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Apart from the LAW no one can be saved.

The Law can't save anyone., as the Law can't provide you with Righteousness.
All the Law can do is expose that you are a sinner, unrighteous, needing to confess your SINNING.

God sent Christ into this world.... to the Cross, to FREELY provide this world with the Righteousness that God requires so that He can accept us.

All who believe this Truth, who turn to Christ for forgiveness of their sin, will be given by God "The righteousness of God, in Christ"., as their "faith is counted as Righteousness" and they will be "justified by Faith".
Upon this justification God will give to every BELIEVER in YESHUA, the "New Birth", as Jesus told you that "you must be born again", and that not by the LAW, but "by my SPIRIT saith the LORD".

This is the "GIFT of Salvation".
This is John 3:16
This is 2 Corinthians 5:19