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What you are saying is that we are not like God! I agree, but is not becoming more like God to be a goal for us?
Mmm…no. Becoming more like JESUS is the goal, learning the obedience of unwavering faith/trust through the things we suffer. He was human, remember. And when He WAS human, that’s our example. He emptied Himself to show us how we must now empty ourselves.

I do vaguely remember epi once saying that we seek to become like Jesus, NOT like the Most High, which was the sin of satan-
‘I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’

Its making me physically ill what has been done to us. I can’t stop crying. I’m going to lie back down for a bit.
 
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I guess I had that coming. I hit you with the AT and you hit me with a word I have to look up to know what you are talking about:
I can hit you with many words, Greek or Hebrew...but these scriptures comes to mind

Rom_11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Rom_15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

1Co_1:5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

1Co_8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

1Co_8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

1Co_8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

1Co_8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

1Co_12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

1Co_13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1Co_13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

1Co_14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

2Co_2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2Co_4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2Co_6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

2Co_8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.

2Co_10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2Co_11:6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

Eph_1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Eph_3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph_3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Eph_4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Php_1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;

Php_3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Col_1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Col_1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

Col_2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

1Ti_2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Ti_3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Heb_10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Jas_3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

1Pe_3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

2Pe_1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

2Pe_1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2Pe_1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

2Pe_1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

2Pe_1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Pe_2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe_3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

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Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Joh 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
Joh 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
Joh 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Joh 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
Joh 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


John 3.30 in context, nothing to do with sanctification

1 Timothy 4:5
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for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

John 17:17
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Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

1 Thessalonians 4:7
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For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
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For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;

1 Thessalonians 4:4
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that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,

Hebrews 10:10
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By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

1 Corinthians 1:30
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But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

Hebrews 12:14
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Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:11
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Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

2 Chronicles 7:16
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For now I have chosen and consecrated this house that My name may be there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
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But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Acts 20:32
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And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

Ezekiel 20:12
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Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Romans 15:16
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to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 7:1
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Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

1 Corinthians 7:14
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For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
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Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Leviticus 20:7
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You shall consecrate yourselves therefore and be holy, for I am the Lord your God.

John 10:36
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do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

Ephesians 5:26
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so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,

1 Corinthians 1:2
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To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

Hebrews 13:12
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Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

Hebrews 10:14
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For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

1 Peter 1:2
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according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

Acts 26:18
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to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’

2 Timothy 2:21
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Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.

Isaiah 13:3
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I have commanded My consecrated ones,
I have even called My mighty warriors,
My proudly exulting ones,
To execute My anger.

Exodus 29:37
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For seven days you shall make atonement for the altar and consecrate it; then the altar shall be most holy, and whatever touches the altar shall be holy.

Joshua 3:5
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Then Joshua said to the people, “Consecrate yourselves, for tomorrow the Lord will do wonders among you.”

Joel 2:16
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Gather the people, sanctify the congregation,
Assemble the elders,
Gather the children and the nursing infants.
Let the bridegroom come out of his room
And the bride out of her bridal chamber.

Matthew 23:19
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You blind men, which is more important, the offering, or the altar that sanctifies the offering?

John 17:19
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For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.

Genesis 2:3
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Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 29:44
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I will consecrate the tent of meeting and the altar; I will also consecrate Aaron and his sons to minister as priests to Me.

Hebrews 2:11
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For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Romans 1:4
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who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Romans 6:19
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I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.

1 Timothy 2:15
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But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

Hebrews 10:29
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How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Isaiah 8:13
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“It is the Lord of hosts whom you should regard as holy.
And He shall be your fear,
And He shall be your dread.

Isaiah 29:23
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But when he sees his children, the work of My hands, in his midst,
They will sanctify My name;
Indeed, they will sanctify the Holy One of Jacob
And will stand in awe of the God of Israel.

Matthew 23:17
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You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold?

Exodus 13:2
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“Sanctify to Me every firstborn, the first offspring of every womb among the sons of Israel, both of man and beast; it belongs to Me.”
Continue your studies, my friend, but try not to decide the context you believe you have encountered is all that there is. Ask of God and keep on asking! How close can we come to God?

Why was King David allowed to have wives and concubines and still be described as the "apple of His eye" and a man "after God's own heart"?

Mt 19:4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mt 19:5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mt 19:6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
How many wives and love affairs and divorces are we allowed to have and still be or become the apple of His eye and a man after His own heart?
 

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No... but I have always been slow to listen to many clips because there are so many. I may get to them later, but I do have other priorities especially in my own Bibles and time spent with God. Hopefully then always as He leads me, I always need to follow.
How do the Spirit lead you?
A thought that is popping up in your head/heart, audible voice, a feeling?
 

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Mmm…no. Becoming more like JESUS is the goal, learning the obedience of unwavering faith/trust through the things we suffer. He was human, remember. And when He WAS human, that’s our example. He emptied Himself to show us how we must now empty ourselves.

I do vaguely remember epi once saying that we seek to become like Jesus, NOT like the Most High, which was the sin of satan-
‘I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’

Its making me physically ill what has been done to us. I can’t stop crying. I’m going to lie back down for a bit.
Yes to become more like Jesus! Why is it that God sent Jesus to us? Your question and doubts perhaps get into what Jesus was not that God was? Why is this verse included in scripture?


And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

Is Jesus God? Just with that question some reading here may want to argue it.

Still it is, I believe, that we are to walk with and toward God by faith.


"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1

All of us want get into the evidence and the facts, which we do not know but really only believe. The walk by faith must continue until when? Perhaps until Jesus has finished it in you or me or the other guy?
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Heb 12:2
 

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How many wives and love affairs and divorces are we allowed to have and still be or become the apple of His eye and a man after His own heart?
I shall continue my studies, as for these questions, you are just flinging them out ekpeiradzo/peiradzo and not to dokimazo @amadeus

Look them up, they are there for a reason.
 

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Who gives you the panoplia and who puts it on?
Everything is provided by God, but God also provided, I believe, each of us with a part in the using what He has provided. If we do that and how we do is our choice... Help is also provided along the way. There is a highway of holiness, but who can see it always clearly?
 

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Is Jesus God? Just with that question some reading here may want to argue it.
The only way I can see it based on what I read is to say He is God who emptied Himself to take human form to save us. The only way I can say He is not God is to say He was not God during the time He had emptied Himself and encased Himself in flesh and therefore needed to rely completely on the Spirit as any other human.
Who is sufficient to explain it? No one.
And we have to be careful to not let those who might see this begin an argument of He is not God. They’ve temporarily banned the discussion so as to not allow us to continue in the harmful way that many were. Since it was the thing that was stirring up the flesh of so many, they stopped it. And it was wise. We cannot remain in ignorance of satans tactics, one of which is to yank us about through our unweaned flesh.
 
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How do the Spirit lead you?
A thought that is popping up in your head/heart, audible voice, a feeling?
These and probably others. Each morning and sometimes during my day, I try to empty my mind of all of my own beliefs and/or ATs and open up my heart to whatever God wants to work in me:


Lu 14:10But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
Lu 14:11For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 
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The only way I can see it based on what I read is to say He is God who emptied Himself to take human form to save us. The only way I can say He is not God is to say He was not God during the time He had emptied Himself and encased Himself in flesh and therefore needed to rely completely on the Spirit as any other human.
Who is sufficient to explain it? No one.
And we have to be careful to not let those who might see this begin an argument of He is not God. They’ve temporarily banned the discussion so as to not allow us to continue in the harmful way that many were. Since it was the thing that was stirring up the flesh of so many, they stopped it. And it was wise. We cannot remain in ignorance of satans tactics, one of which is to yank us about through our unweaned flesh.
I believing I am understanding what you see but I see other things as well on this issue which I will not get into here. No matter what I believe or say whether it is correct or not before God, someone will undoubtedly take issue with... This too is found for me in the discussions of ATs versus beliefs and faith. The answers are God's. They are ours to extent that He has revealed them to us. The revelation when and if it is encountered is for me most often found when I really take that lowest place at the table as if I had nothing at all in me.


How difficult is it to enter that lowest room [Luke 14:10]?
 

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each of us with a part
Yes. However, it has to begin with a man who God has given the wide lens view. Now, if men insist that man is not a man with a part, they will go on in the same manner they have been, weak and with some even dying because they don’t discern the body and if one part suffers all suffer in lack. God still gives men a vision, but it’s not a vision of the future, its like…if a dam is ready to fail, they will send a man up in a plane to see what’s going on and what needs to be done to fix the problem. If the man then lands and says, I saw the problem, this is what we need to do and this is what we need to STOP doing, but others who have not seen the wide lens view in a plane insist he is wrong, what will happen?
 
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Yes. However, it has to begin with a man who God has given the wide lens view. Now, if men insist that man is not a man with a part, they will go on in the same manner they have been, weak and with some even dying because they don’t discern the body and if one part suffers all suffer in lack. God still gives men a vision, but it’s not a vision of the future, its like…if a dam is ready to fail, they will send a man up in a plane to see what’s going on and what needs to be done to fix the problem. If the man then lands and says, I saw the problem, this is what we need to do and this is what we need to STOP doing, but others who have not seen the wide lens view in a plane insist he is wrong, what will happen?
What is this vision and how important is it to us?

Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." Prov 29:18

Where are we now in our vision?


For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

Where are we able to be and how?
Mr 8:23And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mr 8:24And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mr 8:25After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
How many touches from Jesus do we need in order to see clearly?
 

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These and probably others. Each morning and sometimes during my day, I try to empty my mind of all of my own beliefs and/or ATs and open up my heart to whatever God wants to work in me:
So, to understand you correctly, you are hearing voices, promptings, which can be of the flesh, intuition, feelings....
Another way of describing true believers is to say that they are led by the Spirit of God. Paul is not referring here to spectacular instances of divine guidance in the lives of eminent Christians. Rather, he is speaking of what is true of all sons of God—namely, that they are led by the Spirit of God. It is not a question of the degree in which they are yielded to the Holy Spirit, but of a relationship which takes place at the time of conversion.

This is the "faithing part".........^^^^

Sonship implies reception into God's family, with all the privileges and responsibilities of adult sons. A new convert does not have to wait a certain time before he enters into his spiritual inheritance; it is his the moment he is saved, and it applies to all believers, men and women, boys and girls.

Explain HOW you, @amadeus are being led by the Spirit, 24/7 with your shortcomings and failings.

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Let's kick this of, I am all ears, as is epi and sbg, the holy Joe's.
 

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The modern day equivalent of: no, we want a king over us like the rest of the world and we don’t want a prophet to tell us what God has said or has shown him is…saying, no we won’t listen and still want these doctrines, we don’t care if the result will be bad for us and our children…
 

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I believing I am understanding what you see but I see other things as well on this issue which I will not get into here. No matter what I believe or say whether it is correct or not before God, someone will undoubtedly take issue with... This too is found for me in the discussions of ATs versus beliefs and faith. The answers are God's. They are ours to extent that He has revealed them to us. The revelation when and if it is encountered is for me most often found when I really take that lowest place at the table as if I had nothing at all in me.


How difficult is it to enter that lowest room [Luke 14:10]?
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So, to understand you correctly, you are hearing voices, promptings, which can be of the flesh, intuition, feelings....
Another way of describing true believers is to say that they are led by the Spirit of God. Paul is not referring here to spectacular instances of divine guidance in the lives of eminent Christians. Rather, he is speaking of what is true of all sons of God—namely, that they are led by the Spirit of God. It is not a question of the degree in which they are yielded to the Holy Spirit, but of a relationship which takes place at the time of conversion.

This is the "faithing part".........^^^^

Sonship implies reception into God's family, with all the privileges and responsibilities of adult sons. A new convert does not have to wait a certain time before he enters into his spiritual inheritance; it is his the moment he is saved, and it applies to all believers, men and women, boys and girls.

Explain HOW you, @amadeus are being led by the Spirit, 24/7 with your shortcomings and failings.

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Let's kick this of, I am all ears, as is epi and sbg, the holy Joe's.
I have not quit when I simply wanted to quit. God is always there even when we cannot see Him or hear Him. Can I impart to you or to anyone what I receive from God and how I receive it? Not unless God is in it AND the door to potential recipient is opened by that recipient. That is what I believe. Bottoming out and surrendering again and again as needed has worked for me. because, I believe, I serve and very loving and merciful God... but if I quit, really quit the trouble is real and if I should do that, quit, and be in that state of "quit" when my time runs out...?
 

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The modern day equivalent of: no, we want a king over us like the rest of the world and we don’t want a prophet to tell us what God has said or has shown him is…saying, no we won’t listen and still want these doctrines, we don’t care if the result will be bad for us and our children…
You guys and gals have superseded the scriptures, since you don't need them, I will abide by the doctrines and scriptures.

Mat_15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Col_2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Heb_13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Pfitt!
 

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I try to empty my mind of all of my own beliefs and/or ATs and open up my heart to whatever God wants to work in me:
Dangerous thing to "try" and empty your mind.
As I have said, how do you know you are being "led" since the sarx can also do the same, and who is at war with our spirit?