Do all atheist deserve Hell?

[bbyrd009]

When reading with the wrong eyes?

The verse of the sword is unqualified. There is no comparable unqualified verse in the NT. Waging war was in the OT - directed at peoples who no longer exist.

The Koran is remarkably void of context. Like Psalms or Proverbs, one chapter really has nothing to do with the next. The same with the Surra's in the Koran. Sad you are defending this evil ideology. But there you have it.

“its like this, its like that, its like this and like that, here are the facts, ill tell you the truth” lol, you guys are like broken records. How bout you stop deflecting for one second and actually address the points in the post?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Understand this verse 1 Samuel 16:7: Don't judge by their appearance or height, for I have rejected them. The LORD doesn't see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Correct, "In God's Sight" even the [what we consider] GOOD they do is sin:

Pro_21:4 An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.
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Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Grace, Peace, And JOY!...

 

[bbyrd009]

I see you have "Groper" under your name and list no faith

demonstrating once again that you are as blind as i am accusing you of, yes

i mean look guys we all have blind spots, but yikes already

i say again, you never met a Muslim in your life—at least not one that wasnt running away lol—and you are just a hater, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

The “mantle” is not one of “superiority”, but simply stating what I know to be true

well sorry, but you post like a teenaged know it all

Is your insecurity showing

gee, the almost immediate deflection onto me, gasp what a surprise

 

[bbyrd009]

i hate to say it, but most ppl identifying as “Christian” now make most atheists look pretty good!

 

[Wrangler]

sounds like a deflection

I've stopped you from deflecting and stay on point. Big difference.

you guys are like broken records. How bout you stop deflecting for one second and actually address the points in the post?

You are the one who wouldn't let it go, who kept asserting an evil ideology is the same as an ideology that is not evil. Rather than concede, you are the one who kept deflecting.

How all this connects to the OP is that if you are going to look at Christians collectively, you must also look at Atheists collectively, including their evil ideologies - Feminism, Communism & Fascism - that killed more people in the 20th century than all other ideologies in the previous 19 centuries. Observing the rubble in Nuremberg in 1945, few would have thought that it would be Feminism that was the deadliest of all the atheist, evil ideologies.

Try to keep up and not get distracted with all these side bars. Thanks!

 

[Gospel Believer]

That is not true. God does not impute perfection to us.

Romans 5:11

Having been *DECLARED RIGHTEOUS* by our Faith, let us now enjoy peace with God Through our Lord, Jesus Christ”.......

 

[Gospel Believer]

I wonder if you have formed your opinion based on what you see on TV? If so, you were gravely misinformed.

And as for the "so-called" riot at the Capital. Well, you were misinformed about that also.

Misinformed? Lol..... I “ DO” have eyes.....what on earth is wrong with you ? Are you blind! You didn’t see people armed with flag poles and throwing a fire extinguisher and breaking windows and wearing shirts praising “ Auschwitz” ......you ought to be ashamed of yourself for ignoring a riot that is so obvious...

 

[Gospel Believer]

wadr i am at a loss to describe any interaction that i have ever had with a Muslim that could be described as anything other than pleasant, hmm

Muslims believe that Jesus was “ A” son of god —- not “ THE” Son Of God.....the difference is Heaven or Hell....

 

[Gospel Believer]

“The sons of God are those who do the will of God,



The “ Will Of God” is to “ Believe on the One that He sent”....you are a very Poor Student Of The Word......

 

[Gospel Believer]

When reading with the wrong eyes?

The verse of the sword is unqualified. There is no comparable unqualified verse in the NT. Waging war was in the OT - directed at peoples who no longer exist.

The Koran is remarkably void of context. Like Psalms or Proverbs, one chapter really has nothing to do with the next. The same with the Surra's in the Koran. Sad you are defending this evil ideology. But there you have it.

Muslims worship Allah and they say that “ Allah has no Son” ....it is a false religion of works where you try to EARN your way to Heaven.....if your “ good deeds” outweigh your “ bad deeds” , you make it to Heaven.....straight from Satan.....straight from Hell....nothing matters more to Satan than keeping you eyes off Jesus.....Muslims think that Jesus is “not” God in Flesh but just another good and wise prophet....they deny His Deity and they deny His Resurrection from the dead.....these are the reasons they are all damned....it’s called “ Unbelief” and it’s the only reason that anybody gets damned....

 

[Aunty Jane]

well sorry, but you post like a teenaged know it all

I simply share what I have studied....I am a teacher.....and you always seem lost to me.....but you're not open to anything but entertaining your own confusion.......does anyone else agree with what you believe I wonder? It seems to be a mish mash of "I dunnos".....is that what a Christian is supposed to be?
I thought there was supposed to be conviction......its called "faith" ya know. (Heb 11:1)

gee, the almost immediate deflection onto me, gasp what a surprise

The deflection was REflection actually....when one becomes defensive it indicates something about them.
Indecision is annoying even to ourselves......you always seem to come across as indecisive....and your own way of posting is immature....so forgive me if I assumed that you were also a silly adolescent.

i hate to say it, but most ppl identifying as “Christian” now make most atheists look pretty good!

I have to agree with you, but seeing as how I don't believe what "most ppl identifying as “Christian” believe, that doesn't make atheists look any better at all.....unless you'd like to be one. Would you?

The impending judgment will come upon two groups of people according to Paul...the "goats" fall into two categories apparently.
2 Thessalonians 2:5-10.....is addressed to those Christians who were persecuted and suffering for their faith, he said....

"This is a proof of the righteous judgment of God, leading to your being counted worthy of the Kingdom of God, for which you are indeed suffering.

6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you."

That is those who "do not know God" because they don't want to know him....and those who claim to know God, but "do not obey" the teachings his Christ in all things.....these will suffer "everlasting destruction" when he is revealed as the judge of all....is that not plain enough?
Shouldn't we be determined not to fall into either category? If so, how do we do that? Our future depends on our decisions.

No one will have an excuse to be guilty of either one of those things.... neither the "I don't care" group or the "I dunnos" are going to get anything from God...why would they? (James 1:5-8)

You don't seem to know where you belong or where you are going.....but you post here like you do.....? I have always found your posts to be completely confusing.....so there you go.....wadr....

 

[Triumph1300]

and you are just a hater

Thanks, now the real bbyrd showed up.
I still love you. Not under the bus. ;-)

Btw, Groper, He said if you are not for me, you are against me.
Hopefully that's not you.

He said it.
Not me.

Why is it, if one disagrees with a left winger, one is right away classified as a "hater"?

 

[CadyandZoe]

as long as you cannot address the Scriptures Quoted i guess i will tks

What scriptures do you have in mind?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Romans 5:11

Having been *DECLARED RIGHTEOUS* by our Faith, let us now enjoy peace with God Through our Lord, Jesus Christ”.......

Here we see that "righteousness" is imputed, not perfection. But even here, Paul is not speaking about morality or moral goodness. One of our members coined the term "Justifiedness", which indicates the state of being justified.

In terms of our relationship to God, he declares all those who believe in him and his son as "right with me" i.e. justified. Justification is imputed to those whom God has graced with salvation. "We are saved by grace through faith." Faith is the evidence that we are justified.

He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification. Romans 4:25 ​

See?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Misinformed? Lol..... I “ DO” have eyes.....what on earth is wrong with you ? Are you blind! You didn’t see people armed with flag poles and throwing a fire extinguisher and breaking windows and wearing shirts praising “ Auschwitz” ......you ought to be ashamed of yourself for ignoring a riot that is so obvious...

Yes, you are greatly and gravely misinformed. You ascribe these actions to Trump followers. Trump's followers were not violent and they were not responsible for the damage caused at the Capital that day. These were the actions of Antifa members under the guidance and support of the FBI and others including Nancy Pelosi. The so-called "riot" was a preplanned, staged event, intended to discredit the movement. It was all an act.

The Trump rally took place far away from the Capital building. Meanwhile, as Trump continued to speak, Antifa members were already at the Capital building staging a mock violent protest. When Trump finished his speech, he asked his supporters to peacefully walk down to the Capital building in order to give moral support to the few congressmen and women who intended to request that various electors be discounted because they were chosen under false pretenses and against the law. Trump supporters were NOT there to protest, they were there to add their voices to those inside.

Trump knew what was about to take place. We all did. We were told a week in advance, by an FBI whistle blower, that Trump supporters should not attend the rally because provocateurs would cause violence. Not all the Trump supporters got the word. Many attended the rally and did as the President asked, walked peacefully down to the Capital. When they arrived, the so-called riot was already in progress for at least a half hour or so. When the Trump supporters arrived, they saw that the barricades were already removed. The Capital police invited them to take a tour of the Capital Atrium. Some went inside, looked around and left.

As I already said, it took over a half an hour to walk from the rally to the capital building. The so-called riot was already in progress when the Trump crowd arrived. When the Trump supporters arrived, they tried to stop the violence and pleaded with the Capital police to do something. The Capital police stood by and let it happen. (Apparently they had stand-down orders) Earlier, before the Trump supporters arrived, the Capital police let the Antifa members into the Capital through the front door. (Due to hardened security measures, one can NOT break down the door. Only someone on the inside can open the door.) The Capital police escorted the Antifa members into congressional offices, while other Antifa members created video footage. (The videos were uploaded almost immediately to the internet, which is how we all got to see them before they were taken down.)

Antifa members were dressed like Trump supporters and carried both Trump flags and American flags. It was Antifa members that climbed the scaffolding, and broke windows in order to breach the Capital building. These folks were met by the Capital police, who escorted Antifa members down the hall ways to congressional offices. Other Antifa members took videos. Again, we know this because Antifa members, in all their arrogance, uploaded the videos to the internet, which all of us were able to witness. The Capital police were not antagonistic toward the Antifa members, the Capital police were supportive and helpful to them.

It was a staged event. A false flag. Clearly intended to "demonstrate" that violence is coming from both sides, and it was meant to redirect public view away from the election heist.

Sorry to say, you were dupped.

 

[Wrangler]

straight from Satan.....straight from Hell

I do believe this about Islam. I pray for Muslims for I know the Islamic penalty for apostasy is death.

As a history buff, I know the 1400 year history of Islam qualifies it truly as the scourge of mankind. I believe the angel who came to Muhammad and told him to recite, write the Koran, is not the same angel who appeared before Mary, Gabriel. I believe, in fact, that angel was Lucifer.

 

[bbyrd009]

Muslims believe that Jesus was “ A” son of god —- not “ THE” Son Of God.....the difference is Heaven or Hell....

yeh, ive heard that one quite a bit; unfort i guess we cant really have a discussion about that as long as you hope to achieve immortality after you have died, but suffice it to say for now that im increasingly finding that to be just a Christian justification.

We def have Jesus Cults in Christianity, they are a real thing

 

[bbyrd009]

How all this connects to the OP is that if you are going to look at Christians collectively, you must also look at Atheists collectively, including their evil ideologies - Feminism, Communism & Fascism

i would say the prob there is that there are also Christian Feminists, Christian Communists, etc, so i think the water just gets muddier with that wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

I am a teacher

which is why i bother to give you some grief, sure

does anyone else agree with what you believe I wonder?

tbh i dont expect anyone else to, since virtually all believers seem to be focused on “death, more abundantly,” like you. Which i dont mean that is necessarily bad or evil bc i dont know, “We do not yet know what we will become,except for AJ and her peers” so lets just say that im comfortable outside the camp, if you will

It seems to be a mish mash of "I dunnos".....is that what a Christian is supposed to be?

well, my response there is that it isnt called “what is it?” for nothing, and we have a
ready had a sort of meat/milk discussion, and i know they dont mix, and i know you guys seek “the meat of the word” right.

So i am not trying to say what Christians are supposed to be; imo Christianity is as good a tree to be from as any other, “from” being the operative word

I thought there was supposed to be conviction......its called "faith" ya know.

well, Esau was convinced that he needed “red stew” or he would die, see, and Jacob “wrestled with God,” so i think the convictions i do have would just be more along the milk-drinkers variety, and prolly would not even interest you, at a guess

Hebrews 5:14 Lexicon: But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

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