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[The Learner]

"The trans-Atlantic slave trade was the largest long-distance forced movement of people in recorded history. From the sixteenth to the late nineteenth centuries, over twelve million (some estimates run as high as fifteen million) African men, women, and children were enslaved, transported to the Americas, and bought and sold primarily by European and Euro-American slaveholders as chattel property used for their labor and skills.
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The Portuguese dominated the early trans-Atlantic slave trade on the African coast in the sixteenth century. As a result, other European nations first gained access to enslaved Africans through privateering during wars with the Portuguese,rather than through direct trade. When English, Dutch, or French privateers captured Portuguese ships during Atlantic maritime conflicts, they often found enslaved Africans on these ships, as well as Atlantic trade goods, and they sent these captives to work in their own colonies.

In this way, privateering generated a market interest in the trans-Atlantic slave trade across European colonies in the Americas. After Portugal temporarily united with Spain in 1580, the Spanish broke up the Portuguese slave trade monopoly by offering direct slave trading contracts to other European merchants. Known as the asiento system, the Dutch took advantage of these contracts to compete with the Portuguese and Spanish for direct access to African slave trading, and the British and French eventually followed. By the eighteenth century, when the trans-Atlantic slave trade reached its trafficking peak, the British (followed by the French and Portuguese) had become the largest carriers of enslaved Africans across the Atlantic. The overwhelming majority of enslaved Africans went to plantations in Brazil and the Caribbean, and a smaller percentage went to North America and other parts of South and Central America." The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade · African Passages, Lowcountry Adaptations · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

 

[The Learner]

Above post are informational. It is clear long before White people buying slaves. African People were enslaved by African Muslims.

 

[The Learner]

Your people are whom ?

We are all just Humans with some differences. God created us all with same DNA make up.

Acts 17:26
God began by making one man, and from him he made all the different people who live everywhere in the world. He decided exactly when and where they would live.

AMPC
And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes),

"God teaches us in Scripture that the human race is one. Paul preached to the Athenian philosophers that from one man God made every nation of the human race (Acts 17:26a). It is within this greater context of unity that humanity’s diversity appears in the Imago Dei. “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). The singular word “man” represents the entire human race and is immediately specified as being diverse in gender (male and female)."

The Unity of the Human Race - Acts 29

To be Christian is to belong to God’s diverse global family. For this reason, Acts 29, who has purposed to be a radically diverse global family, has instituted the Diversity...

www.acts29.com

 

[The Learner]

"In Genesis 1:26 God says, “Let Us make man (adam) in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Then 1:27 describes his creative action: “So God created man (adam) in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female.”[1] The “image of God” relates to one or more of the following: 1) the mental and spiritual faculties that people share with God; 2) the appointment of humankind as God’s representatives on earth; and 3) a capacity to relate to God. Yet what is clear is that being created in “the image of God” is a spectacular blessing; it is what distinguishes people from animals."

What does the Bible say about race?

Any serious biblical study of race or ethnicity should start in Genesis 1. The Bible does not start off with the creation of a special or privileged race of people. When the first human being is created he is simply called Adam, which is Hebrew for “humankind.”

obu.edu

 

[The Learner]

It's well documented (well not well) that the Jews were black

No we are olive color.

 

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The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together.

860,000 Lives Saved - The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

On Christmas Day 1942, as the Holocaust was raging, the New York Times published an editorial on the heroics of Pope Pius XII. Here is a selection from that statement that ran 70 years ago:

https://www.catholicleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Pius-XII-Christmas-Ad-2012-NYT-Salutes-For-Site1.pdf

In the December 2011 issue of Commentary magazine, Kevin Madigan, the Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Harvard Divinity School, put forth the false charge that the Vatican under Pope Pius XII intentionally helped Nazi war criminals escape justice and make their way to South America after World War II. He based his article on Gerald Steinacher’s Nazis on the Run: How Hitler’s Henchmen Fled Justice and David Cymet’s History vs. Apologetics: The Holocaust, the Third Reich, and the Catholic Church. The combination of sloppy work and over-the-top charges provides a textbook example of how a verifiably false account can be reported as fact in the mainstream media.

Shoddy Scholarship in the Study of Pope Pius XII

Ronald J. Rychlak This article will appear in the April 2012 issue of Catalyst: In the December 2011 issue of Commentary magazine, Kevin Madigan, the Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Harvard Divinity School, put forth the false charge that the Vatican under Pope Pius XII intentionally...

www.catholicleague.org

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Proof, offered by witness testimony to the holocaust, did not even begin to percolate out of Nazi dominated Europe until 1943 at the earliest. All the nations of the world, including Britain and America turned their backs upon the reports. The Vatican did the same because Catholic leaders didn't want to 'rock the boat' regarding Fascist dominated Italy. The Vatican and the Lutheran church were in league with Hitler and his mob from the beginning. Their motivation was that they didn't want to lose their positions in the church.

"The German Church and the People are practically the same body." (Adolph Hitler)

Even the protestant churches were in bed with the Nazis.

"The parsons will dig their own graves. They will betray their God to us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable jobs and incomes. Protestant clergy don't believe in anything except their well-being and office. The state must be scrubbed clean of all Christian convictions and values." (Adolph Hitler)

I have heard and spoken to Jews who survived the holocaust. Their testimony of the events and circumstances of those days is written in blood and the tattoo marks on their arms. Propaganda suggesting the Vatican had nothing to do with it is a blatant lie.

Following the end of hostiles in Europe a series of safe routes were established to assist Nazi officials to escape Allied justice. These safe routes were called 'ratlines'. The post-war German organization called Odessa managed and supervised this effort. Chief among the leaders and managers was a man named Otto Scorzeny. Both the Americans and the Russians were eager to get their hands on some of the individuals, especially rocket scientists and specialists in nuclear research. Thus the Odessa organization eventually worked closely with the OSS, predecessor of the CIA, and a high American official there named Allen Dulles. (*) Nobody, especially the Roman Catholic church was interested in helping the millions of displaced Jews. Nobody, including the church, wanted to dirty their holier than thou hands with the Jewish problem.

I have not verified Catholic statements regarding slavery, except to remember many Catholic mission workers in the 17th century colonies of North and South America employed black slaves as well as Native American slaves to build and maintain their church mission houses. California is dotted with these buildings to this day. The nations of South America still retain these buildings to this day. I've been to S.A. and California and seen the mission buildings. Have you? Please do not insult my intelligence by claiming they don't exist or that the RCC didn't require the sweat and blood of their slaves to build them - Vatican statements notwithstanding.

"they have spilled the blood of saints and prophets...." (Revelation 16:6a)

"Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “’Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;" (Revelation 18:4)

The problem of systemic racism in America is more or less imaginary where white are involved. On the other hand, little or nothing is mentioned of systemic racism on the part of the black community.

"White people are potential humans - they haven't evolved yet." (minister Louis Farrakhan)

"The white man is our mortal enemy. " (minister Louis Farrakhan)

"Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a great man." (minister Louis Farrakhan)

Does it matter to men like Farrakhan that 640,000 white soldiers died during the American civil war to free black slaves?
It does not.
Does it matter to men like Farrakhan that more than six million innocent Jewish men women and children died during Hitler's holocaust?
It does not.

Black racism is endorsed by American corporations and media. White racism, of which every white person over the age of 3 months is apparently guilty, is a total fabrication. There is no such thing as systemic white racism, but there is a great deal of evidence that systemic black racism, fueled by the media and entertainment industries, is a growing problem in the United States.

Do those who sincerely seek to accept Jesus Christ in their hearts and minds practice racism?
They do not.

Do those who earnestly seek justice for all practice racism?
They do not.

Yet anti-Semitism, practiced by blacks as well as the lunatic fringe of the white community, is beginning to rise in America. Neither the Vatican nor American media, focused as it is on photo opportunities, seems to want to stop it. Nobody seems to want to address the plight of Jews in America. As always Jews are on their own, falsely accused by everyone of every evil known to man.

America is being ripped apart by people who pay no attention to social conscience and all attention to flashing advertisements to buy and consume. The rich and powerful continue to gather unto themselves while the poor suffers what they must.

If there is anything 'systemic' in America it's the very real milking of the working class by those in unelected power and influence.

Is it time to REPENT of our SINs against God and man?

Indeed we must, for the hour is late .....

The Day of Reckoning is near at hand. REPENT.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
(*) Dulles eventually used his contact with Scorzeny to assist in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963.

 

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I believe this is society today, with it's roots in the American university system, and to a more or less degree, exported around the world. But it's a known philosophy of Jesuit subterfuge, lying, deceiving, even murder if the end justifies the means.

Can I add a little to the above: you have reservations about a couple of things, and I do understand. One thing I didn't mention previously which I think you might like to consider. In Revelation13 it reads thus...
KJV Revelation 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Notice the bold parts. The second beast, which we believe to be the United States, asks the people to form the image to the first beast, the Papacy. That image is a union of church and state. Therefore it's the people of America that demand, whether by popular vote through the ballot box or social unrest or political lobbying we shall soon find out, but we are talking about a democracy here, not a despotic dictator or tyranny... Therefore it must bea result of what Jesus do often warned about, deception. The people are deceived. And they demand for what will ultimately destroy them.

I wish to further refine your remarks above....

The book of the prophet Daniel uses human-animal hybrids in a textual form to illustrate complex social and political structures. The use of human-animal hybrids is repeated in the book of Revelation. For the sake of clarity these hybrids are meant to convey either a religion, a nation/empire or a system (either religious or political or both).

In Revelation chapter 13 is described a beast rising from the sea. 10 'royal' crowns sprouted out of its head. According to the template established by Daniel, horns represent leaders or a succession of leaders. Thus the royal crowns upon the horns of the sea beast represent a succession of leaders. Who or what is the sea beast? The Bible, not YouTube talking heads, provides correct interpretation. Revelation describes the waters from which the sea beast arises as a global religious system.

Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. (Revelation 17:15)

Revelation 13 presents a striking prophecy of a time when one of the heads/leaders of this system would be struck down.

One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3)

This event has ALREADY HAPPENED. (Google it)

Head wound - death of a Pope

In December 1797 a riot took place in Rome and a Brigadier General that had been sent to Rome by Napoleon as part of the diplomatic mission, was killed. Napoleon then sent forces to Rome, defeated the papal forces around Pope Pius VI, and had him transported to Valence, where he died in 1799.

Healing the wound.....

The Lateran Treaty, also called Lateran Pacts of 1929, treaty (effective June 7, 1929, to June 3, 1985) were signed into law by Mussolini on 11 February 1929. They had three parts: a political treaty (giving the Vatican its own micro-state), a financial convention (giving the Vatican reparations) and a concordat (giving privileges within Italy, for instance by letting the Church influence public education).

The Lateran Treaty and subsequent reestablishment of Vatican City, the seat of Holy See power, was treated with a great world wide celebration. It was even covered by Time magazine and the whole world marveled.....

The second beast, also called the earth beast, arises in limited size and power in Revelation 13:11. The earth beast is oddly different from all others in that it only has two horns "like a lamb". Politically the United States is ruled by two political parties. No other nation on earth or in history has established that particular ruling system. Some have only one party, as in Communist nations, while others, such as Great Britain and France and Israel to name a few, struggle with a multiple party system. The earth beast is also described as having the power to "cause fire to come down from heaven in the presence of the people" (Revelation 13:13) Is this a reference to drone warfare or directed smart bombs? While other nations now use such weapons of war, it's the United States that initially developed and deployed those systems.

Interpretations can continue for quite a while - more than space allows here. However, it should be known that many of the interpretations now accepted by the post-modern protestant church were originally formulated by the Vatican to fog the perceptions of protestant reformers who identified the RCC as the anti-Christ system of Daniel and Revelation.

Hope this helps.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Brakelite]

I wish to further refine your remarks above....

The book of the prophet Daniel uses human-animal hybrids in a textual form to illustrate complex social and political structures. The use of human-animal hybrids is repeated in the book of Revelation. For the sake of clarity these hybrids are meant to convey either a religion, a nation/empire or a system (either religious or political or both).

In Revelation chapter 13 is described a beast rising from the sea. 10 'royal' crowns sprouted out of its head. According to the template established by Daniel, horns represent leaders or a succession of leaders. Thus the royal crowns upon the horns of the sea beast represent a succession of leaders. Who or what is the sea beast? The Bible, not YouTube talking heads, provides correct interpretation. Revelation describes the waters from which the sea beast arises as a global religious system.

Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. (Revelation 17:15)

Revelation 13 presents a striking prophecy of a time when one of the heads/leaders of this system would be struck down.

One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3)

This event has ALREADY HAPPENED. (Google it)

Head wound - death of a Pope

In December 1797 a riot took place in Rome and a Brigadier General that had been sent to Rome by Napoleon as part of the diplomatic mission, was killed. Napoleon then sent forces to Rome, defeated the papal forces around Pope Pius VI, and had him transported to Valence, where he died in 1799.

Healing the wound.....

The Lateran Treaty, also called Lateran Pacts of 1929, treaty (effective June 7, 1929, to June 3, 1985) were signed into law by Mussolini on 11 February 1929. They had three parts: a political treaty (giving the Vatican its own micro-state), a financial convention (giving the Vatican reparations) and a concordat (giving privileges within Italy, for instance by letting the Church influence public education).

The Lateran Treaty and subsequent reestablishment of Vatican City, the seat of Holy See power, was treated with a great world wide celebration. It was even covered by Time magazine and the whole world marveled.....

The second beast, also called the earth beast, arises in limited size and power in Revelation 13:11. The earth beast is oddly different from all others in that it only has two horns "like a lamb". Politically the United States is ruled by two political parties. No other nation on earth or in history has established that particular ruling system. Some have only one party, as in Communist nations, while others, such as Great Britain and France and Israel to name a few, struggle with a multiple party system. The earth beast is also described as having the power to "cause fire to come down from heaven in the presence of the people" (Revelation 13:13) Is this a reference to drone warfare or directed smart bombs? While other nations now use such weapons of war, it's the United States that initially developed and deployed those systems.

Interpretations can continue for quite a while - more than space allows here. However, it should be known that many of the interpretations now accepted by the post-modern protestant church were originally formulated by the Vatican to fog the perceptions of protestant reformers who identified the RCC as the anti-Christ system of Daniel and Revelation.

Hope this helps.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Yep, agree with your summary. Have you considered that the second beast, because it develops into the image of the first, a union of church and state, would also exercise religious power as described a little later in compelling worship. I wonder if the fire from heaven is a counterfeit pentecost, a counterfeit later rain deceiving the church's expectations?

 

[The Learner]

Historically yes a state believed that the population should follow what ever faith the ruler of that state had.
So we have in Europe catholic rulers persecuting protestant subjects and protestant rulers doing the same to catholic subjects.
But execution was not the norm, heavy fines barring from working in certain jobs were more normal.

This was similar to how islamic states treated Christians and Jews with civic limitations, 2nd class citizenship and additional taxation.

The real difference is that persecution, extortion and execution is built into islam, it is not part of Christianity.


Your comments about current civil actions against Christians in the west is really the result of the west having abandon Christian morality.

We will talk about "bloody" as we proceed. Because the U.S. News article related only to the Christian west against the Muslim east, except in this paragraph I will not describe the almost 1,500 years of Muslim imperialistic, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war to the east of Arabia in Iraq, Persia, and much further eastward, which continues to this day.

In any event, because it was the closest geographically, Palestine was the first Western non-Arab area invaded in the Muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others. At the time, Palestine was under the rule of the so-called Eastern Roman Empire, ruled from Istanbul by Greek speaking people, and was Eastern Orthodox Catholic. The Eastern Orthodox rule was despotic and the Eastern Roman Empire was in serious decline. The Eastern Orthodox rulers were despots, and in Palestine had subjugated the large population of local Jews and Monophysite Christians. Because the Orthodox were imperialist, colonialist, and bloody, and majored in religious persecution to boot, the Muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of Palestine, and then Egypt, was made easier. Because of Orthodox weakness and the relative speed of the conquest of Palestine and Israel, I have often seen this Muslim, imperialist, colonialist bloody conquest described by Muslim and PC writers as "peaceful" or "bloodless." This statement is simply not true.

The Muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of Palestine began with a battle, the August 20, 636, battle of Yarmk (it is believed that 75,000 soldiers took part -- hardly bloodless). With the help of the local Jews who welcomed the Muslims as liberators, the Muslims had subjugated the remainder of Palestine but had not been able to capture Jerusalem. Beginning in July 637, the Muslims began a siege of Jerusalem which lasted for five (hardly bloodless) months before Jerusalem fell in February 638. Arabs did not sack the city, and the Arab soldiers were apparently kept in tight control by their leaders. No destruction was permitted. This was indeed a triumph of civilized control, if imperialism, colonization, and bloody conquest can ever be said to be "civilized." It was at this conquest that many significant hallmarks of Muslim colonialism began. The conquered Christian and Jewish people were made to pay a tribute to the colonialist Muslims. In addition, Baghdad used the imperialist, colonialist, bloody wars of conquest throughout the life of its empire to provide the Caliphate with a steady stream of slaves, many of whom were made eunuchs.

The Muslim conquest of (Christian) North Africa went relatively easily until the native peoples of North Africa (most importantly the Berbers) were encountered west of Egypt. The North African people fought so strongly against the Muslims that the Muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest in the west was brought to an almost complete stop between Tripoli and Carthage for more than a quarter century. The Muslims broke through in a series of bloody battles followed by bloody (revenge) massacres of the Muslim's (largely Christian) opponents. This Muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest continued through North Africa and through what is now Spain, Portugal, and southern France, until they were stopped at the battle of Poiters (hardly bloodless) in the middle of France.

I believe that if I had the time, I could show that the Muslims, in their western imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquests, killed two to three times as many Christians as the Christians killed Muslims in all of the Crusades combined.

https://www1.cbn.com/churchandministry/1400-years-of-christian-islamic-struggle

 

[amigo de christo]

What's the difference between Muslims beheading Christians if they don't conform to their religion , and the Christians that did the same thing .

Oh, and I'm not a Muslim

They both lost .

 

[amigo de christo]

"In Genesis 1:26 God says, “Let Us make man (adam) in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Then 1:27 describes his creative action: “So God created man (adam) in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female.”[1] The “image of God” relates to one or more of the following: 1) the mental and spiritual faculties that people share with God; 2) the appointment of humankind as God’s representatives on earth; and 3) a capacity to relate to God. Yet what is clear is that being created in “the image of God” is a spectacular blessing; it is what distinguishes people from animals."

What does the Bible say about race?

Any serious biblical study of race or ethnicity should start in Genesis 1. The Bible does not start off with the creation of a special or privileged race of people. When the first human being is created he is simply called Adam, which is Hebrew for “humankind.”

obu.edu

I seem to notice GOD created only TWO sexes . So why are so many preaching so many pronouns . TIS OF THE DEVIL IS WHY .
I keep it honest and real . Truth is EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . and anything contrary to the WORD of GOD is a LIE

 

[amigo de christo]

First and foremost . ALL RELIGOINS are false , CEPT TRUE CHRISTANITY . PEROID .
Yet even most who claim to be christain are not OF US . TWO FACTS most do not want to beleive and yet is true .
LEARN THOSE BIBLES and learn them well is all i can say .

 

[amigo de christo]

We are all just Humans with some differences. God created us all with same DNA make up.

Acts 17:26
God began by making one man, and from him he made all the different people who live everywhere in the world. He decided exactly when and where they would live.

AMPC
And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes),

"God teaches us in Scripture that the human race is one. Paul preached to the Athenian philosophers that from one man God made every nation of the human race (Acts 17:26a). It is within this greater context of unity that humanity’s diversity appears in the Imago Dei. “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). The singular word “man” represents the entire human race and is immediately specified as being diverse in gender (male and female)."

The Unity of the Human Race - Acts 29

To be Christian is to belong to God’s diverse global family. For this reason, Acts 29, who has purposed to be a radically diverse global family, has instituted the Diversity...

www.acts29.com

Another fact that is gonna aggravate even most within the christain realm . And that is man is not to lie with man as with a woman
nor woman with woman , nor man or woman with beast . I Keep it short , simple , real and true . You can see why most all
folks hate this man . YET my love for them points them to ONLY TRUTH and HE WHO IS THE TRUTH and the AUTHOR OF TRUTH .
I will die long before i go the way of this all inclusive politically correct lies that destroy men and save none .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yep, agree with your summary. Have you considered that the second beast, because it develops into the image of the first, a union of church and state, would also exercise religious power as described a little later in compelling worship. I wonder if the fire from heaven is a counterfeit pentecost, a counterfeit later rain deceiving the church's expectations?

Never follow lattie si , hope i spelled that right . That stuff is of the devil . they been decieving folks for centuries .

 

[amigo de christo]

No we are olive color.

Exactly . with some being a bit lighter in color .
They are not white , black hispanic . rather slighly olive tonned with some being or having a white appearance or lighter apperance .
NOT that it matters . cause the flesh profits nothing . YE MUST whether jew or gentile BE BORN AGAIN .

 

[Jim B]

No we are olive color.

Jews come in all pigmentations. Saying "we are olive color" is as wrong as saying that Jews are black.

 

[Jim B]

First and foremost . ALL RELIGOINS are false , CEPT TRUE CHRISTANITY . PEROID .
Yet even most who claim to be christain are not OF US . TWO FACTS most do not want to beleive and yet is true .
LEARN THOSE BIBLES and learn them well is all i can say .

So you're not Christian? (or christain!) Once again, you are judging the body of Christ. That can get you into serious problems with the Lord.

 

[Jim B]

Exactly . with some being a bit lighter in color .
They are not white , black hispanic . rather slighly olive tonned with some being or having a white appearance or lighter apperance .
NOT that it matters . cause the flesh profits nothing . YE MUST whether jew or gentile BE BORN AGAIN .

Read post #56. Jews are not a biological "race". That is nonsense.

However, you are correct in saying that it doesn't matter. "'cause the flesh profits nothing" is a misinterpretation. The Bible compares our sinful self -- the flesh -- to our spiritual self. It has nothing to do with physical appearance.

You are also correct in saying " YE MUST whether jew or gentile BE BORN AGAIN ."

 

[amigo de christo]

So you're not Christian? (or christain!) Once again, you are judging the body of Christ. That can get you into serious problems with the Lord.

Try reading it again .

 

[Dropship]

Food for thought..