BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND

[bro.tan]

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close a attention to what’s being said. Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus.

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this.

Remember there is a time for everything. Nicodemus asked a very good question.

Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family (we will have a greater understanding as we go further in this).

 

[GISMYS_7]

Jesus was God is God and is eternal God.

 

[bro.tan]

Let's continue....

Take a look at this verse in the book of Numbers. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Note what the verse says, God is not a man, neither is he the son of man. While Jesus walked with His disciples He called Himself the son of man. He was exactly that. He was born of a woman. But, when he was raised from the dead He was no longer in the man family neither was He flesh and blood. If he was flesh and blood He would not have been able to appear in the middle of the room with his apostles. Take a look at these verses. Can a flesh and blood man do this?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Look at verse 31, once they realized that it was Jesus they spoke with, what happen? He vanished out of their sight. Remember in John chapter 3 and verse 8. The Lord gave an example of how a spirit would look. He likened a spirit to the wind.( John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.) Can you or can you not see the wind?

 

[GISMYS_7]

Matthew 24:36-39.

"Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, "Peace to you." But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.""

 

[marks]

When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family (we will have a greater understanding as we go further in this).

1 Peter 1:3 KJV
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1 Peter 1:22-23 KJV
22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Hath begotten us again . . . this is for now, not after we die.

John 1:12-13 KJV
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close a attention to what’s being said. Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus.

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this.

Remember there is a time for everything. Nicodemus asked a very good question.

Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family (we will have a greater understanding as we go further in this).

No need to go further until you correct some errors you made.

Jesus was never "born into the God family". You should never make fake statements like that. Matthew 1:23 shows us that Jesus is "Immanuel" (God with us), prophesied to be born of a virgin per the Isaiah prophecy. In other words, Jesus Christ has always eternally been God The Son, and was still God The Son even while born in a flesh body, and is still God The Son today and eternally. So no false debates about how Jesus the man became The Christ like the ignorant Occultists believe.

Since you show you did understand about "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit", then just what... is born of The Spirit? Just asking the question of whether we were born of flesh or spirit, and then trying to use John 20:27 about Jesus' resurrected body to prove we are flesh and that's all, is pathetic, and terrible error against the Scriptures.

In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Apostle Paul said Lord Jesus was made "a quickening spirit". So how you gonna' get a flesh body out of that? Apostle Paul specifically taught the resurrection type is a "spiritual body". Paul even said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

So even though Jesus' body appeared as a flesh body, looked like flesh, felt like it, and could even eat the fish and honeycomb they gave Him, it was a resurrected type body. That is 'how' Jesus could suddenly appear to them in a closed off room, and also disappear among them at table also at another time. Thus Jesus' flesh body at some point after He was raised was made "a quickening spirit".

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul said that if our earthly tabernacle (flesh body) were dissolved, we have another house from God, not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. That is about our 'spirit body' that lives inside our flesh body while alive on this earth. There's two different dimensions written of in God's Word, even as you have shown with that John 3:6 verse, this earthly we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels dwell. Our spirit inside our flesh is of that other dimension, and that is actually the REAL part of our being that God created us with. Attached to our 'spirit' is our soul. And they both together can leave our flesh body, and do, at flesh death.

So those old JEWISH TRADITIONS that we are just flesh and nothing else is NOT TAUGHT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT OF GOD'S WORD.

 

[bro.tan]

No need to go further until you correct some errors you made.

Jesus was never "born into the God family". You should never make fake statements like that. Matthew 1:23 shows us that Jesus is "Immanuel" (God with us), prophesied to be born of a virgin per the Isaiah prophecy. In other words, Jesus Christ has always eternally been God The Son, and was still God The Son even while born in a flesh body, and is still God The Son today and eternally. So no false debates about how Jesus the man became The Christ like the ignorant Occultists believe.

I agree that Jesus was always God in the beginning, but when he came in the flesh is was man, the son of man. Paul says in Hebrews 2: 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands: So we Jesus was made a little lower then angels and if he wasn't made a little lower then angels then how would man be able to kill him and put him on a cross.

Remember what was said in Exodus 33: 17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

So a man can't see God and live. Let's take a look a what Jesus says in John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

So when Jesus died and when back to heaven where the Father is at, he receive the power he had before the world was.

Since you show you did understand about "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit", then just what... is born of The Spirit? Just asking the question of whether we were born of flesh or spirit, and then trying to use John 20:27 about Jesus' resurrected body to prove we are flesh and that's all, is pathetic, and terrible error against the Scriptures.

In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Apostle Paul said Lord Jesus was made "a quickening spirit". So how you gonna' get a flesh body out of that? Apostle Paul specifically taught the resurrection type is a "spiritual body". Paul even said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

So even though Jesus' body appeared as a flesh body, looked like flesh, felt like it, and could even eat the fish and honeycomb they gave Him, it was a resurrected type body. That is 'how' Jesus could suddenly appear to them in a closed off room, and also disappear among them at table also at another time. Thus Jesus' flesh body at some point after He was raised was made "a quickening spirit".

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul said that if our earthly tabernacle (flesh body) were dissolved, we have another house from God, not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. That is about our 'spirit body' that lives inside our flesh body while alive on this earth. There's two different dimensions written of in God's Word, even as you have shown with that John 3:6 verse, this earthly we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels dwell. Our spirit inside our flesh is of that other dimension, and that is actually the REAL part of our being that God created us with. Attached to our 'spirit' is our soul. And they both together can leave our flesh body, and do, at flesh death.

So those old JEWISH TRADITIONS that we are just flesh and nothing else is NOT TAUGHT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT OF GOD'S WORD.

 

[bro.tan]

Let's move on. In Genesis the Lord set things in order. Take a look at Genesis and see the distinction between man and God.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind” and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Note these things which were created were after its kind. Notice the change in the next scripture.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Notice: man is made in the image of God after his likeness not after His kind. Meaning we look like Him but, we are not made up of the same substance. Take a look at Genesis chapter 2 verse 7. There you will find the 2 elements that men are made of.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice what it says, man was formed from the dust of the ground, and the Lord breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. Dust and breath that's it, nothing else. Take note also it says man became a living soul. It did not say a soul was placed in the man. You are the soul?

Men also have another similarity other than the outward image of The Godhead members. Notice what the Lord says in Genesis chapter 3.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Notice what the Lord says, "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." If Adam didn't listen to Eve we would only have two commandments. 1. Be fruitful and multiply and 2. Do not eat from the tree of knowledge good and evil (listening to Satan). Man would have never died. Everyone from Adam until eternity would still be alive.

 

[Davy]

I agree that Jesus was always God in the beginning, but when he came in the flesh is was man, the son of man. Paul says in Hebrews 2: 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands: So we Jesus was made a little lower then angels and if he wasn't made a little lower then angels then how would man be able to kill him and put him on a cross.

Sorry, but Jesus was still... God The Son while in the flesh also. Don't you recall John 10 where Jesus said He lays down His life for the sheep? And then especially He says He lays His life down so that He might take it up again...

John 10:18
18 No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of My Father.
KJV

That reveals that even while in the flesh, He could have prevented His own death on the cross, but doing that would have prevented His purpose for being born in the flesh, i.e., to die on the cross for us, defeating death and the devil for us (see Hebrews 2:14 and 1 John 3:8). It's what is 'within' our flesh that actually counts. So what is that? Our spirit. In Jesus' flesh body, His Spirit 'within' as Immanuel 'God with us' was still active.

Now the Hebrews 2:7 verse, WHY are ignorant preachers quoting that verse by itself while DISREGARDING ITS EXPLANATION in the later Hebrews 2:9 verse??

Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
KJV

Do you see there WHY Jesus came in the flesh, born through woman's womb like us? All He did was come as God in the flesh, which is what His title of Immanuel actually means (see Matthew 1:23). That's about Jesus' flesh, not His Spirit as God The Son. Jesus' FLESH was made a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH.

 

[Davy]

Remember what was said in Exodus 33: 17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Isaiah saw Him and lived though, didn't he? (see Isaiah 6).

So that pretty much destroys whatever idea there you were driving at.

 

[Davy]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Notice: man is made in the image of God after his likeness not after His kind. Meaning we look like Him but, we are not made up of the same substance. Take a look at Genesis chapter 2 verse 7. There you will find the 2 elements that men are made of.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice what it says, man was formed from the dust of the ground, and the Lord breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. Dust and breath that's it, nothing else. Take note also it says man became a living soul. It did not say a soul was placed in the man. You are the soul?

Men also have another similarity other than the outward image of The Godhead members. Notice what the Lord says in Genesis chapter 3.

Nah, not going to work. You are pushing an old Jewish tradition about Genesis 2:7.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

You mean we have a "spirit" too? Yep! So then, we are NOT... flesh only.


Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV

And thus we also have a "soul" too, with our "spirit"? Yep!


2 Cor 5:1-2
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
KJV

Does that mean we have, AT PRESENT, another body dwelling INSIDE our flesh body, a body not made with hands (i.e., non-flesh), but "eternal in the heavens"? Yep! That is about our spirit which is actually an image of the heavenly. Our soul is our actual 'person'.

 

[bro.tan]

Nah, not going to work. You are pushing an old Jewish tradition about Genesis 2:7.

No Jewish tradition here. all Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Let's take a Paul at what Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

You mean we have a "spirit" too? Yep! So then, we are NOT... flesh only.

Let's take a look at that spirit the Bible is taking about. because spirit comes in many forums, but this spirit we talking about here is the spirit that gives life. Let's go into Job 27: 3 All the while my breath is in me, And the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

So we see that the spirit of God thats in Job, is the breath you breathe.

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV

And thus we also have a "soul" too, with our "spirit"? Yep!


2 Cor 5:1-2
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
KJV

Does that mean we have, AT PRESENT, another body dwelling INSIDE our flesh body, a body not made with hands (i.e., non-flesh), but "eternal in the heavens"? Yep! That is about our spirit which is actually an image of the heavenly. Our soul is our actual 'person'.

 

[bro.tan]

Isaiah saw Him and lived though, didn't he? (see Isaiah 6).

So that pretty much destroys whatever idea there you were driving at.

Show me, post the scripture

 

[bro.tan]

Sorry, but Jesus was still... God The Son while in the flesh also. Don't you recall John 10 where Jesus said He lays down His life for the sheep? And then especially He says He lays His life down so that He might take it up again...

John 10:18
18 No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of My Father.
KJV

I'm not going to go around and round concerning this, because it's not a salvation issue.

That reveals that even while in the flesh, He could have prevented His own death on the cross, but doing that would have prevented His purpose for being born in the flesh, i.e., to die on the cross for us, defeating death and the devil for us (see Hebrews 2:14 and 1 John 3:8). It's what is 'within' our flesh that actually counts. So what is that? Our spirit. In Jesus' flesh body, His Spirit 'within' as Immanuel 'God with us' was still active.

If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind, all of mankind would have been put in the lake of fire, including, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc. Paul says in Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. This is talking about the first and second death. Got nothing to do with defeating the Devil, the devil work for God and when you do or deal with unrighteousness that's who coming. Actually the devil will not be chain up until Jesus make his second coming and then, the devil have to be let back out to go to work, then after his last job, chain up for good. Let's go take look at some of this in Revelation 20: 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Now the Hebrews 2:7 verse, WHY are ignorant preachers quoting that verse by itself while DISREGARDING ITS EXPLANATION in the later Hebrews 2:9 verse??

Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
KJV

Do you see there WHY Jesus came in the flesh, born through woman's womb like us? All He did was come as God in the flesh, which is what His title of Immanuel actually means (see Matthew 1:23). That's about Jesus' flesh, not His Spirit as God The Son. Jesus' FLESH was made a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH.

 

[bro.tan]

Let's take a look at man's potential.

Psalms 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Who are these mighty ones that God judgeth among the gods? These are not pagan gods that the Lord judge. Pagan gods have no might nor any breath in them.

Take a look and see who these gods are.

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

These gods are men. Why? Look at the 7th verse again. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Spirits don't die; men do (flesh and blood). To give you a better understanding of this, take a look at what Jesus said to the Pharisees. Pay close attention what's being said.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

Notice Jesus quoted the 6th verse in the 82nd Psalm. Now take a look at the next verse.

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

So you see, He called them gods unto whom the Word of God came. If you continue in His Word you will be in the God family, but you must endure this world to make it into the kingdom. This will take place at an appointed time in the near future.

 

[Davy]

No Jewish tradition here. all Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Let's take a Paul at what Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Paul was talking about God's written Word, NOT 'your' word. So please, try to refrain from making any more such vain statements that attempt to suggest you are keeping to God's Word.

Let's take a look at that spirit the Bible is taking about. because spirit comes in many forums, but this spirit we talking about here is the spirit that gives life. Let's go into Job 27: 3 All the while my breath is in me, And the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

So we see that the spirit of God thats in Job, is the breath you breathe.

Oh, I'm well familiar with those who try to say the "spirit" idea in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 is about a type of 'nature force' that gives life to all things. Nope, afraid not, because The New Testament reveals that one's 'spirit' is linked with the 'soul' in the heavenly dimension. So much for your JEWISH MATERIALISTIC LIFE FORCE IDEA about 'spirit'.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That took place in the Heavenly dimension by the way, where there is NO material matter! So if 'spirit' is just some kind of force that animates things in this material earthly world, then what is it doing being mentioned about the 'spirits' of dead men having The Gospel preached to them in the Heavenly dimension?

 

[Davy]

Show me, post the scripture

Are your fingers broken? Do your OWN homework lazy.

 

[bro.tan]

Are your fingers broken? Do your OWN homework lazy.

So this is how a so call Christians speaks to another, after I only ask for you to prove yourself by showing me the scriptures or verses. In the scriptures it's written in Proverbs 16: 24 Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, Sweet to the soul, and health to the bones. We must be servant of God at all times.

 

[bro.tan]

Paul was talking about God's written Word, NOT 'your' word. So please, try to refrain from making any more such vain statements that attempt to suggest you are keeping to God's Word.


Oh, I'm well familiar with those who try to say the "spirit" idea in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 is about a type of 'nature force' that gives life to all things. Nope, afraid not, because The New Testament reveals that one's 'spirit' is linked with the 'soul' in the heavenly dimension. So much for your JEWISH MATERIALISTIC LIFE FORCE IDEA about 'spirit'.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

Peter is talking about two different type situation dealing with Spirit and Spirits. But I'll leave it there.

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

This is referring to the first resurrection, where the Jesus will bring his reward to those are call the Saints at his second coming. Let's go to Matthew 24: 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

See, not everyone is going to taste death for this to happen, but this will all happen at the last trump. When Jesus makes his second coming, the people who died in Christ, and the living shall be change. Paul explain this 1 Corinthians 15: 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Let's see what body do they come in. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So we see the bodies and the difference, but let's take a look the change.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Notice Paul is saying the same thing Jesus is saying, we shall not all sleep. This is what Peter is talking about in those verses you quoted. It's a lot more to this, but I'll leave here for now.

That took place in the Heavenly dimension by the way, where there is NO material matter! So if 'spirit' is just some kind of force that animates things in this material earthly world, then what is it doing being mentioned about the 'spirits' of dead men having The Gospel preached to them in the Heavenly dimension?

 

[Davy]

So this is how a so call Christians speaks to another, after I only ask for you to prove yourself by showing me the scriptures or verses. In the scriptures it's written in Proverbs 16: 24 Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, Sweet to the soul, and health to the bones. We must be servant of God at all times.

Yeah, it is called REBUKE.

1 Tim 5:20
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
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2 Tim 4:2-4
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
KJV