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[Dropship]

I only shared what I believe based on the scriptures. I'm not interested in debating you. We can have differing views and still be friends, I hope. :)

There's nothing to debate chum, it's simple commonsense (based on scripture) that Hitler, Saddam, Bin Laden etc and all nonchristians, atheists, perverts and Jesus-rejecters won't be going to heaven or it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood", and I wouldn't wanna go..:)

 

[MatthewG]

There is an outside of the kingdom, and there is an inside.

There is also the lake of fire which is seen to some as a cleansing.

Not everyone straight up goes into the Kingdom of the Heabenly Jerusalem where God resides after this life.

There is a resurrection of condemnation and resurrection of life, on for the faithless and the other for the faithful.

Just like hell when it was active had paradise and prison.

when everything is new (which I believe it is today)

You have people outside the kingdom and those going inside; there is no more hell; and I believe that God gives each their own heavenly body; be it lesser or better it depends on God.

He had a place for the unbelievers; outside.

There is the lake of fire but I don’t believe this destroy them completely but perhaps burns out the darkness in them to seek out the truth in the fire and find Christ if the fire is coming from God.

Either way it goes; it doesn’t seem in Christianity that everyone goes straight where God resides.

There are those outside, only one way in and through Christ and that fire resides in people who are baptized in fire and the Holy Spirit by Christ which burns out the darkness here now rather than the option to go through the lake of fire later on in the afterlife,


I could be wrong but this is how I define it by and through

What John writes in Revelation 21-22.

Seek it out. Everyone goes to heavenly realm; there is just two compartments just like hell before it was done away with (Revelation 20)x

May the God of peace be with you.

 

[bbyrd009]

1- As Christians we know we go to heaven when we die..:)
Jesus said at the last supper- "I tell you, I will not drink wine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matt 26:29)

2- Where we become spiritual beings-
Jesus said- "..those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels" (Luke 20:35/36)

so go with that then if you like, but no, you do not "know" that at all; you believe that, bc the Cult of Sol told it to you, with all due respect
after all, who would support a pastor that told them the truth? Not what tithes are meant for anyway

 

[Dropship]

so go with that then if you like, but no, you do not "know" that at all; you believe that, bc the Cult of Sol told it to you, with all due respect
after all, who would support a pastor that told them the truth? Not what tithes are meant for anyway

You must have got me mixed up with somebody else mate, I've never heard of that Sol bloke, is he lead singer with a pop group or what?

 

[bbyrd009]

You must have got me mixed up with somebody else mate, I've never heard of that Sol bloke, is he lead singer with a pop group or what?

i wish you the best of luck in your quest for immortality, dropship, and i hope "death, more abundantly" works out for you ok

 

[Dropship]

i wish you the best of luck in your quest for immortality, dropship, and i hope "death, more abundantly" works out for you ok

As Christians, Jesus dealt us a winning hand, so luck's got nothing to do with it..:)
Right Kid?

"Right"

 

[bbyrd009]

As Christians, Jesus dealt us a winning hand, so luck's got nothing to do with it..:)
Right Kid?

"Right"
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well, i do feel for you, and i would certainly love to still believe all of that self-serving stuff that your pastor has extracted from the Bible, at the cost of everything else in there

 

[Patrick1966]

John 6:44 "No one can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws him."

Christ will save everyone. Believe in The Son sent by The Father with faith alone and be saved. Christ draws all mankind to Himself. To each their own turn.

I Peter 5:10-11? Is God to be honored and to have dominion just for a temporary time?

1 Peter 5:10-11 ESV

[10] And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you. [11] To him be the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Young’s literal.
10 And the God of all grace, who did call you to His age-during glory in Christ Jesus, having suffered a little, Himself make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle [you];
11 to Him [is] the glory, and the power -- to the ages and the ages! Amen.

 

[Dropship]

As Christians, Jesus dealt us a winning hand, so luck's got nothing to do with it..:)
Right Kid?

"Right"
View attachment 29041

well, i do feel for you, and i would certainly love to still believe all of that self-serving stuff that your pastor has extracted from the Bible, at the cost of everything else in there

I'm non-denominational mate and don't belong to any church because I don't need them or any pastor to do my thinking for me...;)
Jesus said "You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10), but if you know anybody better please let us know..:)

PS- what religion are you?

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm non-denomi

you hope to become an immortal after you have died, do you not?

what religion are you?

the one that looks after orphans and widows in their time of need
one religion is as much wood as another imo

 

[Dropship]

what religion are you?

the one that looks after orphans and widows in their time of need
one religion is as much wood as another imo

Ah, but Christians don't reject Jesus..:)
Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
And the founders of all other religions are corpses in boxes somewhere but Jesus is not, spot the difference?..:)

 

[bbyrd009]

Ah, but Christians don't reject Jesus..:)
Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)

you are selectively replying now, and Christians saying that they dont reject Jesus dont impress me much, sorry

And the founders of all other religions are corpses in boxes somewhere but Jesus is not, spot the difference?..:)

yes, but i doubt you would appreciate my perspective on that, as i srsly doubt Jesus was meant to be…existified so literally. Christ is Spirit, yes? Nice colors btw :) sparkly

 

[Dropship]

you are selectively replying now, and Christians saying that they dont reject Jesus dont impress me much, sorry
yes, but i doubt you would appreciate my perspective on that, as i srsly doubt Jesus was meant to be…existified so literally. Christ is Spirit, yes? Nice colors btw :) sparkly

Sorry mate I don't know what 'existified' means, I googled it but drew a blank.
Jesus certainly existed, just ask the thousands who saw him..:)
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry mate I don't know what 'existified' means, I googled it but drew a blank.
Jesus certainly existed, just ask the thousands who saw him..:)
"Large crowds from "certainly" for something you cannot possibly verify, but im not interested in Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)

you are quick to say "certainly" for something you cannot possibly verify, but fwiw my point was that it is likely better to seek the spirit than to be led to celebrating His birthday or etc
i mean im following Him, and ive never seen Him :)
have a nice morning

 

[Dropship]

Sorry mate I don't know what 'existified' means, I googled it but drew a blank.
Jesus certainly existed, just ask the thousands who saw him..:)
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)

you are quick to say "certainly" for something you cannot possibly verify, but fwiw my point was that it is likely better to seek the spirit than to be led to celebrating His birthday or etc
i mean im following Him, and ive never seen Him :)
have a nice morning

Jesus went on the road all over Israel for 3 long years, that's a lot of eyewitnesses..:)
"Jesus went through all the towns and villages" (Matt 9:35)
He said- “I've spoken openly to the world...I said nothing in secret" (John 18:20)
And he pulled crowds of over 5000 and 4000 on two occasions (Matt 14:13, Matt 15:32)
That's why when the first gospels were written after his death, nobody from the priests or the Romans or the people ever came forward to say "Baloney, it never happened" because they knew they'd have made themselves laughing stocks..:)

Heck, even the Koran written around 600 AD dare not deny Jesus was something special:- "Allah...exalted some messengers above others and gave miracles to Jesus the son of Mary and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253)
And even the 10th-century Jewish 'Toledot Yeshu' (History of Jesus) admits he did miracles including raising the dead..:)

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus went on the road all over Israel for 3 long years, that's a lot of eyewitnesses..:)
"Jesus went through all the towns and villages" (Matt 9:35)
He said- “I've spoken openly to the world...I said nothing in secret" (John 18:20)
And he pulled crowds of over 5000 and 4000 on two occasions (Matt 14:13, Matt 15:32)
That's why when the first gospels were written after his death, nobody from the priests or the Romans or the people ever came forward to say "Baloney, it never happened" because they knew they'd have made themselves laughing stocks..:)

Heck, even the Koran written around 600 AD dare not deny Jesus was something special:- "Allah...exalted some messengers above others and gave miracles to Jesus the son of Mary and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253)
And even the 10th-century Jewish 'Toledot Yeshu' (History of Jesus) admits he did miracles including raising the dead..:)

curiously completely absent from every other history though, although i really dont want to dis-establish a literal "existing" Jesus, should that be what one needs to get started on the path, so i would just reiterate that the Spirit might be more important than the "existing" part.
No son of man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins will die

 

[Dropship]

Jesus went on the road all over Israel for 3 long years, that's a lot of eyewitnesses..:)

curiously completely absent from every other history though..

You gotta be jivin us boy..:)
Here ya go..:)-

Wiki-List of Gospels (tot 58) plus 27 NT books

List of gospels - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Marcion
Gospel of Basilides
Gospel of Truth (Valentinian)
Gospel of the Four Heavenly Realms
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Judas
Greek Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of Philip
Pseudo-Gospel of the Twelve
Gospel of Perfection
Jewish-Christian gospels
Gospel of the Hebrews
Gospel of the Nazarenes
Gospel of the Ebionites
Gospel of the Twelve
Infancy gospels[edit]
Armenian Infancy Gospel[citation needed]
Protoevangelium of James
Libellus de Nativitate Sanctae Mariae (Gospel of the Nativity of Mary)
Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew
History of Joseph the Carpenter
Infancy Gospel of Thomas
Latin Infancy Gospel
Syriac Infancy Gospel
Gospel of the Lots of Mary (Coptic collection of 37 oracles; ca. A.D. 500)
Partially preserved gospels
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of Eve
Gospel of Mani
Gospel of the Saviour (also known as the Unknown Berlin gospel)
Coptic Gospel of the Twelve
Reconstructed gospels
Secret Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Matthias
Gospel of Cerinthus
Gospel of Apelles
Gospel of Valentinus
Gospel of the Encratites
Gospel of Andrew
Gospel of Barnabas – not to be confused with the 16th century pro-Moslem work of the same name
Gospel of Bartholomew
Gospel of Hesychius
Gospel of Lucius
Gospel of Merinthus
Gospel of the Adversary of the Law and the Prophets
Memoirs of the Apostles
Papyrus Egerton 2
Fayyum Fragment
Oxyrhynchus Papyri
Gospel of Jesus' Wife
Papyrus Berolinensis 11710
Papyrus Cairensis 10735
Papyrus Merton 51
Strasbourg Fragment
Gospel of the Seventy
Gospel of Nicodemus
Gospel of Barnabas

 

[bbyrd009]

You gotta be jivin us boy..:)
Here ya go..:)-

Wiki-List of Gospels (tot 58) plus 27 NT books

List of gospels - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

--------------------
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Marcion
Gospel of Basilides
Gospel of Truth (Valentinian)
Gospel of the Four Heavenly Realms
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Judas
Greek Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of Philip
Pseudo-Gospel of the Twelve
Gospel of Perfection
Jewish-Christian gospels
Gospel of the Hebrews
Gospel of the Nazarenes
Gospel of the Ebionites
Gospel of the Twelve
Infancy gospels[edit]
Armenian Infancy Gospel[citation needed]
Protoevangelium of James
Libellus de Nativitate Sanctae Mariae (Gospel of the Nativity of Mary)
Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew
History of Joseph the Carpenter
Infancy Gospel of Thomas
Latin Infancy Gospel
Syriac Infancy Gospel
Gospel of the Lots of Mary (Coptic collection of 37 oracles; ca. A.D. 500)
Partially preserved gospels
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of Eve
Gospel of Mani
Gospel of the Saviour (also known as the Unknown Berlin gospel)
Coptic Gospel of the Twelve
Reconstructed gospels
Secret Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Matthias
Gospel of Cerinthus
Gospel of Apelles
Gospel of Valentinus
Gospel of the Encratites
Gospel of Andrew
Gospel of Barnabas – not to be confused with the 16th century pro-Moslem work of the same name
Gospel of Bartholomew
Gospel of Hesychius
Gospel of Lucius
Gospel of Merinthus
Gospel of the Adversary of the Law and the Prophets
Memoirs of the Apostles
Papyrus Egerton 2
Fayyum Fragment
Oxyrhynchus Papyri
Gospel of Jesus' Wife
Papyrus Berolinensis 11710
Papyrus Cairensis 10735
Papyrus Merton 51
Strasbourg Fragment
Gospel of the Seventy
Gospel of Nicodemus
Gospel of Barnabas

ha well that is quite a list, yes

 

[Dropship]

And for years atheists were saying "Nazareth never existed in Jesus's time", but were left with egg on their faces when archaeologists found it..:)

 

[St. SteVen]

My beliefs that are relevant to this discussion are as follows:
-> Everyone goes to Heaven.
-> Specifically, everyone will be saved through Jesus Christ.
-> Salvation is through faith alone in Jesus Christ, not of works.
-> Once saved, always saved. You cannot lose your salvation.
and other basic tenants

Hello Harold,

Do you mean that EVERYONE goes DIRECTLY to heaven no matter what they believe, or what they have done in this earthly life?

Steve