I hope you are more right about the Bible then you are about me.
And BTW . . . sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Statements like these are kind of a tautology.
Gee, can anyone set aside their preconceptions? Is there Anyone who can just sit down with the Bible, and read it with fresh eyes, and an open heart? Can I? Can you? Can he? Can we? Do you know what I'm saying?
I already "know you don't like" . . . well, I don't write like that myself, because it's not my job to define you. My job is to declare the Word of the LORD. Everybody has their own ideas. Let's conform them to Scripture.
Much love!
I can go by what I see, right? By what I witness with my own eyes, observing you. One of the things I noticed right away is a tendency to dismiss direct questions, and redirect away from answering for yourself on behalf of yourself. Example above.
But let's look at your starting point for this conversation on topic-- example below. You assume that the saying is plain. That is your starting point. And you introduce a false narrative to support the false assumption-- that being the story of Lot's encounter with 'the angels' who came to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
I don't agree with this. The saying that angels had sex with humans is plain. Your quote from the NASB shows that.
The men of Sodom gathered around Lot's house, demanding that Lot hand over the two angels that they could have sex with them. Lot responded with what he (crazily) hoped would be accepted as an acceptable substitute, that he would give them his two daughters so they could have sex with them instead. Did Lot somehow think that his daughters would be able help them with their genetic experiments? I don't think so.
And who are the unclean spirits which roam arid places looking for a body to inhabit? These angels who disobeyed aren't roaming anywhere, they are bound in eternal chains. These unclean spirits are the "spirits" of the nephilim having perished in the flood, neither man, that they would go to sheol, nor angel, that they are bound with the angels. Left to roam the earth disembodied, and seeking bodies to inhabit.
When you begin with a misunderstanding-- you almost always make a false conclusion.
You conclude that angels can have physical sex because you assume that the men of Sodom wanted these angels handed over to them so that they could do just that-- The story goes....
The two angels came to Sodom in the evening while Lot was sitting in the city’s gateway. He invites them to take shelter at his house, but before they could lie down to sleep, all the men—both young and old, from every part of the city of Sodom—surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!
The story just doesn't make sense to you if angels can't actually have sex with men (or women). Am I trackin' ya, so far?
Your error is in your (mis)understanding of angels. In the previous chapter there in Genesis, the text is clear--
Abraham looked up and saw three men standing across from him. One of these we learn is the LORD-- known at that time as Melchizedek. The other two-- are sent on....
The LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so blatant that I must go down and see if they are as wicked as the outcry suggests. If not, I want to know.”
The two men turned and headed toward Sodom, but Abraham was still standing before the LORD.
You should start by re-examining your understanding of angels. Then, you will at least give yourself a chance of understanding where Jude is coming from.