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[St. SteVen]

If you were God, would you allow everyone into heaven?

Not immediately. Religious people will need a bit of a clean-up. - LOL

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

What about the devil and every demon that has ever caused indescribable misery and torment upon mankind?

Does God require us to forgive EVERYONE, not matter what they have done to us?
And does he operate at a lower standard than he requires of us?

How are their sins any different than ours? They were Angels before they fell into darkness and disgrace.

Interesting question. Sin is sin, I suppose.
But whose sins did Jesus ALREADY atone for?

No mere man has ever been as righteous as an Angel.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[Mr E]

 

[Wrangler]

i would certainly love to still believe all of that self-serving stuff that your pastor has extracted from the Bible, at the cost of everything else in there

What is this supposed to mean? The ‘self serving stuff’ IS ‘the cost of everything else in there.’

 

[bbyrd009]

What is this supposed to mean? The ‘self serving stuff’ IS ‘the cost of everything else in there.’

well, since you asked, dropship, and i guess you, and most other professing "Christians" are actually Cult of SolInvictus adherents, by which i do not mean "bad" or even necessarily "lost," but believeing in "death. more abundantly," or iow hope to become immortal after death?

 

[Wrangler]

well, since you asked, dropship, and i guess you, and most other professing "Christians" are actually Cult of SolInvictus adherents, by which i do not mean "bad" or even necessarily "lost," but believeing in "death. more abundantly," or iow hope to become immortal after death?

Your query is more mystical than the mystics, more esoteric than most.

 

[bbyrd009]

Your query is more mystical than the mystics, more esoteric than most.

really, it isnt
Jesus came that we might have life, more abundantly, but most professors seek death, more abundantly
just that simple really

 

[lforrest]

really, it isnt
Jesus came that we might have life, more abundantly, but most professors seek death, more abundantly
just that simple really

What is this to do with the Nashatan again? That our focus should be on the resurrection rather than crusifiction?

I find this troublesome, because you can't have the former without the latter. Nether will the Kingdom accommodate sinful man. So change is needed in the man since God does not change.

And that change is facilitated by the baptism into Christ's death.

Both are necessary, repentance is milk. Sanctification meat.

 

[Raccoon1010]

What is this to do with the Nashatan again? That our focus should be on the resurrection rather than crusifiction?

I find this troublesome, because you can't have the former without the latter. Nether will the Kingdom accommodate sinful man. So change is needed in the man since God does not change.

And that change is facilitated by the baptism into Christ's death.

Both are necessary, repentance is milk. Sanctification meat.

I see the washing clean of the garments to white with the blood of the lamb as that which purifies peoples souls from sin. I'm not sure man can do that without God willing it. So perhaps not everyone is clensed when they want. Revelation 7:13-14

 

[Raccoon1010]

They do, the just do:

 

[Wrangler]

What is this to do with the Nashatan again?

He’s just a slanderer, presenting Biblical principles in a negative light.

 

[bbyrd009]

What is this to do with the Nashatan again?

hmm
i would say that the lesson of Nehushtan is a diff one, more about our proclivity for symptom treatment/alleviation, than treating the cause? A way to avoid responsibility? A way to do something that one wants to do that is not “good” in some way, by some justification later…what were the Wanderers doing there again, right before that? Before the snake incident. Refusing to see something, being in denial of something, i forget what at the moment
Anyway, that they, their kids? were burning incense to it later seems to me to want to show that the lesson wasnt learned, or is hard to keep in mind, easy to fall back into

That our focus should be on the resurrection rather than crusifiction?

might be a good way to put it.
youre surely fam with the “Jesus did it all, i dont have to do anything” deal
so iow the crucifixion isnt even done
these are things we do, more than things to believe
imo

I find this troublesome, because you can't have the former without the latter. Nether will the Kingdom accommodate sinful man. So change is needed in the man since God does not change.

Well, this might seem like a diff subject, or not be understood right now, but No son of man may die for another’s sins; the life that sins dies is a difficult concept to corroborate with our current dogma i guess
isnt going anywhere though
iow we are initially presented with a Perfect Sacrifice to Believe, but idt we're supposed to stay there :)

to your point i kind of agree, but it seems for a diff reason than we imagine? Yah went looking for Adam and Eve after they had eaten the fruit, right. So iow "sin" might be accommodated more than we think! Forgiveness covers sins, i think

And that change is facilitated by the baptism into Christ's death.

which is a ceremony now
followed by a celebration lol
about as far from a "death" as one could get iow

Both are necessary, repentance is milk. Sanctification meat.

in the way of leading in to meat being beneficial, i guess, ya
but it peaks and then Id rather never eat meat again comes in
ha

 

[bbyrd009]

He’s just a slanderer, presenting Biblical principles in a negative light.

i can see why you might say that, but everyone starts under some tree or other imo, one is as good as another. Jesus gave some of the highest praise to the Centurion (cult of sol)

but the centurion also basically stated the failing of his creed (which readily compares with mainstream Christian dogma…there’s a decent treatment of that…somewhere)
lol

 

[Wrangler]

everyone starts under some tree or other imo, one is as good as another.

False equality. Right and true is not as good as wrong and false; that tree is better.

AndI admit that there are many true trees. Continuing with your metaphor, most trees with truth need to be pruned for the wrong and false even they contain.

 

[bbyrd009]

False equality. Right and true is not as good as wrong and false; that tree is better.

AndI admit that there are many true trees. Continuing with your metaphor, most trees with truth need to be pruned for the wrong and false even they contain.

well, wasnt my metaphor, and i guess they are all wood
we start with some beliefs, that end up being "beliefs about the future" right...
fwiw all that "using wood for a fire, and then carving out an idol to worship for yourself" is imo directly applicable to how we are introduced to Christianity

 

[bbyrd009]

Does your religion encourage beliefs about primarily some imaginary future, that you might obtain after death?
then imo you are in trouble, and not even trying very hard

 

[lforrest]

might be a good way to put it.
youre surely fam with the “Jesus did it all, i dont have to do anything” deal
so iow the crucifixion isnt even done
these are things we do, more than things to believe
imo

The crusifiction of Jesus Christ was completed from the foundation of the world. We can therefore live with confidence in resurrection life.

God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
So if someone still sins they are divided against themselves. They are like schrodinger's cat, living and dead, at this strange period of time when some things are being resolved to an end that is already determined.

No son of man may die for another’s sins; the life that sins dies is a difficult concept to corroborate with our current dogma i guess
isnt going anywhere though

to your point i kind of agree, but it seems for a diff reason than we imagine? Yah went looking for Adam and Eve after they had eaten the fruit, right. So iow "sin" might be accommodated more than we think! Forgiveness covers sins, i think

How about some direct quotes of Deut 24:16 Deuteronomy 24:16 - Additional Laws
It establishes that there is to be no guilt by association.

Why was Israel forbidden to take plunder from Jericho but later they were not forbidden to plunder AI?

 

[bbyrd009]

How about some direct quotes of Deut 24:16 Deuteronomy 24:16 - Additional Laws
It establishes that there is to be no guilt by association

well, during the giving of the law anyway, ya

Why was Israel forbidden to take plunder from Jericho but later they were not forbidden to plunder AI?

ya, esp after the guy that started taking Ai plunder got spanked? dunno

 

[lforrest]

well, during the giving of the law anyway, ya

ya, esp after the guy that started taking Ai plunder got spanked? dunno

He and his children were killed. It's an example of Guilt by association.

Israel went too far in punishing Achan's children as well. Their deaths paid forward a debt that entitled them to the plunder.

 

[Wrangler]

we start with some beliefs, that end up being "beliefs about the future" right...
fwiw all that "using wood for a fire, and then carving out an idol to worship for yourself" is imo directly applicable to how we are introduced to Christianity

The importance of faith is less about the future than the present.

Not sure where you are going with the fire wood and idol carvings being an introduction to Christianity.

Does your religion encourage beliefs about primarily some imaginary future, that you might obtain after death?
then imo you are in trouble, and not even trying very hard

No. Christianity is primarily about now, the ever present. When Jesus said to seek, knock and ask, he meant now. The kingdom of heaven is at hand now.

 

[amigo de christo]

John 6:33 "The Bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives Life to the WORLD."

God’s bread fills everyone, saving everyone. Have faith in Christ and be saved. All will become believers in Him. He gives life to the whole world! That means everybody.

Dont forget that same JESUS said Ye must BELIEVE . Stop preaching a false gospel that saves none. You will
be held accountable to the very JESUS you thought you followed yet DENIED . You wont like what HE is gonna say
on HIS day either .