KJV vs. other translations

[Jim B]

Actually, brother @amigo de christo has an excellent grasp of the English language. He has also learnt Middle English and old English. He self taught himself for several years. Brother just happens to type fast. He is very smart.

Let the glorious Lord be praised.

If @amigo de christo has an excellent grasp of the English language why does he write in such absymal English? He disdains the correct use of capitalization, punctuation, etc., leaving others to figure out wht he meant. It is, at best, rude. If he is smart, as you claim, then he it would show in his posts.

BTW, "He self taught himself" is redundant.

 

[Jim B]

I already Know why it does . Cause i follow CHRIST and not the world . And when persecuted i shall rejoice .
I do pray for them . And i forgive them too . but follow them , NEVER .

You are living in delusion!

 

[amigo de christo]

Sister just ignore his response . My hope is in the LORD , let him believe as he does about me .
it matters not .

 

[Jim B]

And yet you attacked amadeus . And for what . HE Didnt come on saying KJV only
ALL he said and reminded me about is that it was BY GODS GRACE that i can understand .
Yet your hatred of the KJV blinded you to his simple response .

If you understood the King James translation you wouldn't make such obvious errors in your doctrine. If you think that I hate the King James translation, this is just one more of your many errors. The problems lies with people's reinterpretation of what the KJV says. This includes you.

Satan also claimed to understand God's Word, which proves that incorrect interpretation is of the devil.

 

[Jim B]

Sister just ignore his response . My hope is in the LORD , let him believe as he does about me .
it matters not .

Another lie! If it didn't matter you would keep responding to my posts!

 

[amigo de christo]

Another lie! If it didn't matter you would keep responding to my posts!

THERE is a big difference between correcting one verses wanting their approval or being concerned about what they think of me .
JESUS didnt regaurd the testimony of men at all . BUT He sure did correct .

 

[Jim B]

THERE is a big difference between correcting one verses wanting their approval or being concerned about what they think of me .
JESUS didnt regaurd the testimony of men at all . BUT He sure did correct .

So obviously it does matter to you!

Again, your English is sloppy: "JESUS didnt regaurd the testimony of men at all ." Two errors in nine words!

And "BUT He sure did correct" is unclear. Did you mean "He sure did correct [them]" or "He sure did, correct?"

It is only common courtesy to communicate in correct English. Are you just lazy or don't care?

This is also in contrast about your frequent discussions about the KJV being entirely accurate!

 

[Behold]

"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

That is a specific type of condemnation.

Its actually 2.

One, is that because our sin is forever redeemed by Jesus's sacrifice we are not to exist in GUILT and REGRET.
"made free from sin" is to be forgiven it all.

the other is...

We are free from the coming wrath of God.........that is given to those who do not "obey the GospeL"", which is to BELIEVE IT.


Here is that Wrath, and the Born again, are not there.

John 3:36

""""Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."""


AND.

2 Thessalonians 1:8

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:​

 

[Jim B]

That is a specific type of condemnation.

Its actually 2.

One, is that because our sin is forever redeemed by Jesus's sacrifice we are not to exist in GUILT and REGRET.
"made free from sin" is to be forgiven it all.

the other is...

We are free from the coming wrath of God.........that is given to those who do not "obey the GospeL"", which is to BELIEVE IT.


Here is that Wrath, and the Born again, are not there.

John 3:36

""""Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."""


AND.

2 Thessalonians 1:8​

​

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:​

What??? There are, according to you, two types of condemnation???

"Our sin is forever redeemed by Jesus's sacrifice" and "We are free from the coming wrath of God" is saying the same thing. (Technically, we are redeemed, not our sin.)

 

[Davy]

You are twisting my words. I didn't day i couldn't read it, I said I prefer to read a more up to date translation. But you and people like you seems to be critical of my choice. I don't agree with you but I don't want to criticise your choice. Variety is good. Choice is good. This topic has been done to death on every forum I've been a member of.

And once again, Pearl keeps showing her 'personal bias' against the KJV with,...

..."I prefer to read a more up to date translation."

Know what that kind of statement reveals brethren? It reveals that Pearl doesn't think The Word of God in the KJV is up-to-date!

Since when do newer... Bible translations from totally different sets of corrupt Greek manuscripts that still... have not been historically verified make God's Word more UP TO DATE??

The KJV Bible is still... the most ACCURATE ENGLISH translation, so how old it is compared to modern Bible versions has nothing to do with it. And like I showed, newer KJV editions no longer use the Old English of the original 1st edition.

No offense to those like Pearl who doesn't really know what she is saying about this, but the matter is about keeping God's Word as close as possible to its original form when going into the languages.

The reason WHY the KJV is difficult for many to read is because the way it is written keeps closely to the form of the original text. It's because it follows the text structures of the originals which are Holy Spirit markings. There is a certain order God put in them, and that is LOST... within many newer Bible translations, especially with paraphrased Bible versions.

So don't complain about 'how' the KJV translation is written, because it is that way from mostly following the original structures, subject and object. This is why I recommend The Companion Bible, a KJV study Bible put together by the 19th century British Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger.

 

[Pearl]

And once again, Pearl keeps showing her 'personal bias' against the KJV with,...

As you say personal! Just as all of us have a personal preference.

So does that mean you have a 'personal bias' against the NIV?

 

[Netchaplain]

I want to know what everyone one thinks on this subjectEveryone knows the KJV to be the best translation in english

There are only a couple other translations (Webeter's Bible and Young's Literal Translation) besides the King James that come from manuscripts that are newer than what the new versions come from; but the manuscripts used for the KJV have been the ones most used. The modern translations come from the oldest manuscripts, but these manuscripts are known to be corrupted from gnostic scholars.

For example there are numerous omissions in all the latter versions, and many of them are deity-significant related. One good example of hundreds of errors is the omission in Ephesians 3:9; they left out the phrase "who created all things through Jesus Christ," demonstrating His deity and Creation power.

Another is 1Jn 5:7, where they left out "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

The most significant blunder was them (except the NIV which recently changed the reading the way it should be to avoid the error) omitting the words "the brother of Goliath," which error reads that "Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite" (2Sam 21:19). This contradicts the truth that David killed Goliath! It's suppose to read that "Elhanan slew the brother of Goliath," as correctly presented in 1Chron 20:5; "Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite." Here we notice that it also gives the name of the brother of Goliah (Lahmi).

There are hundreds of errant examples, so much that many do not even read the same thing as the KJV. I think God is keeping it simple as the what version to read in all the confusion. The NKJV is correct and helps the most, but the KJV is the most complete.

 

[amigo de christo]

There are only a couple other translations (Webeter's Bible and Young's Literal Translation) besides the King James that come from manuscripts that are newer than what the new versions come from; but the manuscripts used for the KJV have been the ones most used. The modern translations come from the oldest manuscripts, but these manuscripts are known to be corrupted from gnostic scholars.

For example there are numerous omissions in all the latter versions, and many of them are deity-significant related. One good example of hundreds of errors is the omission in Ephesians 3:9; they left out the phrase "who created all things through Jesus Christ," demonstrating His deity and Creation power.

Another is 1Jn 5:7, where they left out "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

The most significant blunder was them (except the NIV which recently changed the reading the way it should be to avoid the error) omitting the words "the brother of Goliath," which error reads that "Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite" (2Sam 21:19). This contradicts the truth that David killed Goliath! It's suppose to read that "Elhanan slew the brother of Goliath," as correctly presented in 1Chron 20:5; "Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite." Here we notice that it also gives the name of the brother of Goliah (Lahmi).

There are hundreds of errant examples, so much that many do not even read the same thing as the KJV. I think God is keeping it simple as the what version to read in all the confusion. The NKJV is correct and helps the most, but the KJV is the most complete.

The goal has always been for a religoin to serve men .
Marvel not that the so called better versions EXCLUDE the DIETY of CHRIST .
I mean how can all the religoins join to be as ONE If , JESUS is who HE IS . No ,they must break him
down into just another way , just another prophet . THAT way ye can eventually convince the religoins
He , like budda , or muhammed or etc were just ways to God . BECAUSE if JESUS is WHO HE IS
and SAYS HE IS the ONLY WAY , all other religoins GOT PROBLEMS and the dire need to prolesytize is SEEN .
But omit the truth , break down Christ to just another prophet , and the lies begin . WHICH
if you peek around has grown massive . Over seventy percent of Christendom alone now believes in this many path junk .
That all religoins are finding GOD in their own religoin , their own way . THEY went to work many moons ago .
My advice let us stick to the kjv and have no part in the delusion of the all inclusion we are one religoin
mindset and false love which is and has united many to be as one right under the dragon .

 

[Netchaplain]

The goal has always been for a religoin to serve men .
Marvel not that the so called better versions EXCLUDE the DIETY of CHRIST .
I mean how can all the religoins join to be as ONE If , JESUS is who HE IS . No ,they must break him
down into just another way , just another prophet . THAT way ye can eventually convince the religoins
He , like budda , or muhammed or etc were just ways to God . BECAUSE if JESUS is WHO HE IS
and SAYS HE IS the ONLY WAY , all other religoins GOT PROBLEMS and the dire need to prolesytize is SEEN .
But omit the truth , break down Christ to just another prophet , and the lies begin . WHICH
if you peek around has grown massive . Over seventy percent of Christendom alone now believes in this many path junk .
That all religoins are finding GOD in their own religoin , their own way . THEY went to work many moons ago .
My advice let us stick to the kjv and have no part in the delusion of the all inclusion we are one religoin
mindset and false love which is and has united many to be as one right under the dragon .

Hi, and thanks for the instructional reply! Yes, this all is evidence of those "departing from the faith," that is, from the doctrine of faith but not from faith, because those that "depart" are not saved by faith. True faith always permanently saves.

The biggest distraction now is the various translations, which do not give the entire Word and change much of it into error. Paying attention to these versions disrupts unity, because nobody is going the be able to remember what their Bible says, for the versions are too different and errant. Lack of Biblical unity promotes the most confusion (nothing can affect salvation, but can affect spiritual growth in Christ). After all, it's the Bible that brought us to Christ, and teaches us to "grow up into Him in all things!" (Eph 4:15).

 

[amigo de christo]

Hi, and thanks for the instructional reply! Yes, this all is evidence of those "departing from the faith," that is, from the doctrine of faith but not from faith, because those that "depart" are not saved by faith. True faith always permanently saves.

The biggest distraction now is the various translations, which do not give the entire Word and change much of it into error. Paying attention to these versions disrupts unity, because nobody is going the be able to remember what their Bible says, for the versions are too different and errant. Lack of Biblical unity promotes the most confusion (nothing can affect salvation, but can affect spiritual growth in Christ). After all, it's the Bible that brought us to Christ, and teaches us to "grow up into Him in all things!" (Eph 4:15).

Yep true faith saves . The problem is many have faith in what paul would have called another jesus or another spirit or another gospel .
Many have come to a christ that honors and serves their own lusts desires . And boy do i have bad news about that christ .
So bad i didnt capitalize it . Satan knows full well how to use words like love , tolerance , unity
Satan knows how to use another jesus to bring in the unstable by the lusts of the flesh to serve HIS SELF .
HE has always desired the worship and satan gets it through the lusts of the flesh .
SO if our jesus supports the love of money , or the dark rainbow , or cares and pleasures in this life
the pride of life , the lusts of the eyes and of the flesh . ITS SATAN using the name of JESUS to obtain the worship of men
while giving them the idea they are saved and have salvation . We bess stay in that bible .
For many have come and do come IN HIS NAME and yet decieve like the dickens the people

 

[amigo de christo]

any unity that can cast aside the teachings of Christ , of the apostels , of the words in that lovely bible for sake of
fellowship . IS NO FELLOWSHIP or TABLE this lamb will sit at . I advise all to do the same .

 

[amigo de christo]

By thy words thou shalt be justified and by thy words thou shalt be condemned .
An apple tree dont produce oranges nor an orange tree apples . YE Truly can know them by their fruits .
No matter how well a wolf is decked up in sheeps clothing , ye shall know it by its fruit .
Any leader that is of Christ would never make void teachings of Christ . They would not
use HIS NAME yet deceive . The worst damnation awaits those who used HIS NAME and yet did so in pretence .
These shall recieve the greater damanation . And as with the prophet so with those who sit under it
as with the priest so with those who sit under it . BIBLE TIME . Open , read , AND LOVE THOSE WORDS . Being hearers and doers
of the glorious Word . Be not as the many who hear and yet do not for they have greatly decieved themselves .
IF a man comes to me and hears my sayings and DOES THEM , that man has a SOLID FOUNDATION .
But he who hears and does not , HAS NO FOUNDATION . no matter if they think they do .
TO DENY CHRIST is not a good sign at all . SO let me leave us with a reminder
of what EVEN PAUL HIMSELF once wrote many moons ago when the church was young .
IF any man provides not , A DOING ACTION , for his own , specially for those of his own household
HE has DENIED THE FAITH . FAITH DENIED . And is worse than an infidel . Sounds a lot like
what james once wrote , DEAD FAITH . not real . DENIED CHRIST , decieved themselves .

 

[Davy]

As you say personal! Just as all of us have a personal preference.

So does that mean you have a 'personal bias' against the NIV?

Yes, it does mean I have a 'personal bias' against the modern translations using the corrupt manuscripts from the Alexandria school in Egypt. Those texts follow more on the line of thinking like Origen who was excommunicated, and Clement who also tried to create a system of 'philosophy' instead of the revealed Word of God. Those behind those Alexandria texts represent a creation by the "tares" that crept in. This is why the NIV omits many passages that show the Deity of Lord Jesus Christ.

You are obviously one of many deceived brethren that bought into the 'new and improved lies' the devil's children pushed with their modern translations. Some of those translators were not even Christians! At least all the scholars for the KJV were believers on Jesus Christ.

 

[Pearl]

Yes, it does mean I have a 'personal bias' against the modern translations using the corrupt manuscripts from the Alexandria school in Egypt. Those texts follow more on the line of thinking like Origen who was excommunicated, and Clement who also tried to create a system of 'philosophy' instead of the revealed Word of God. Those behind those Alexandria texts represent a creation by the "tares" that crept in. This is why the NIV omits many passages that show the Deity of Lord Jesus Christ.

You are obviously one of many deceived brethren that bought into the 'new and improved lies' the devil's children pushed with their modern translations. Some of those translators were not even Christians! At least all the scholars for the KJV were believers on Jesus Christ.

Oh well, each to his own or as the French say: chacun à son goût.

 

[Pearl]

Yes, it does mean I have a 'personal bias' against the modern translations using the corrupt manuscripts from the Alexandria school in Egypt. Those texts follow more on the line of thinking like Origen who was excommunicated, and Clement who also tried to create a system of 'philosophy' instead of the revealed Word of God. Those behind those Alexandria texts represent a creation by the "tares" that crept in. This is why the NIV omits many passages that show the Deity of Lord Jesus Christ.

You are obviously one of many deceived brethren that bought into the 'new and improved lies' the devil's children pushed with their modern translations. Some of those translators were not even Christians! At least all the scholars for the KJV were believers on Jesus Christ.

It sounds to me as if you are obsessed by this. Calm down dear. I read the intro in my NIV and am satisfied that it is a good translation. I bought my first one direct from the Bible Society.