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Episkopos

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Let's stop with the games. OK? Why do you bother to respond if you aren't actually going to respond? This is sophistry pitted against Scripture.

And BTW . . . I didn't write this:

Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV
1) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

So the question remains, I guess for others, since you've declined to answer,

Of whom does the apostle speak?

Much love!
Isn't there somebody on the forum called "Not me" ...I suggest you ask him.
 

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Ephesians 2:1-7 KJV

Of whom does the apostle speak?

The saints.

But he also speaks of the saints here:

“And you, who were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish, and without charge in His sight, if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:21-23)
 

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Hi Lizbeth,

FWIW . . . I don't think there is an issue with understanding. I've questioned ep on this off and on over the years, without any real change in how he responds. I've watched him do this with me, with others, and now with you. There is only one response, so far as I've seen, that ep will accept, and that is your gushing of thanks. When I've asked of him Scriptural support, he gives Scriptures which don't say what he claims. When I question that, the ad hominems start, and once they've started, they don't end.

Reading through this thread, it's just dripping with contempt and falsehoods. And it shows the truth that the student becomes like the teacher, whether that is a good thing or not.

Much love!
I agree brother. It's taken me quite a long time to see this clearly. And without honest objectivity and accountability, there can't be any progress.
 

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ad hominems start, and once they've started, they don't end.

@mailmandan calls me a troll frequently. He posted a meme about feeding trolls today… that just says to me that he’s defeated and has nothing else but to hurl insults.

If I let that hurt my feelings, I’m in the wrong profession. I’m battle hardened for the Lord.

The apostles and saints were killed in the New Testament!
 

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The mystery of inquity has swollen to the full .
The worker of all darkness and inquity is fast forming all faiths to unite with all religoins , with secular and all .
that which is OF ANTI CHRIST has not dissappeared nor slowed down .
He who is and yet is not and yet is has not been sleeping but rather through men has convinced the world
to unite as one and kiss a universal many path golden bull of inclusion .
That which is of anti christ has risen up big time . And has taken captive even most all
of the christain realm . The lambs must contend for the true faith .
It knows how to seduce , it knows scriptures and how to twist them . It can use the words like love
and unity , but heed it not , its love and its unity has long embraced lawlessness . Something JESUS NEVER EMBRACED .
And it uses The NAME OF CHRIST to do dark works and present a false go spell and a false love .
To the many it simply is the solution for unity and world peace . Its love has captivated them
They sit under it and suckle from the teets of its whore . The mystery of inquity did not cease since even pauls days
NO , it has made and is making the world to be as ONE MAN UNDER DARKNESS . WE better get back in bibles
and let the true lambs look out for one another .
To them it simply is love , but to the lambs we know what it is and WHO it has led them to be as one under .
ITS DARKNESS portraying to be LIGHT , and has led them to unite with a common cause and common ground UNDER the dragon .
My heart is for the peoples , even those who hate me . I simply warn cause i love the peoples and desire not a one to perish .
 

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@mailmandan calls me a troll frequently. He posted a meme about feeding trolls today… that just says to me that he’s defeated and has nothing else but to hurl insults.

If I let that hurt my feelings, I’m in the wrong profession. I’m battle hardened for the Lord.

The apostles and saints were killed in the New Testament!
Let the lambs have all ARMOUR strapped on and be contending for the true faith and all the truth of our glorious Lord .
Work while there be time to do so . This mystery of inquity and the one who has been behind it
has captivated this last generation . Till now the decieved unite with the decieved and even many within christendom have bought its
lie . The lie of perdition has been bought by many . IF we think its bad now , i GOT NEWS
its gonna get much harsher against the true non conforming lambs . And we had better be prepared in CHRIST
to lose everything and many even their own lives . Let us count the cost and not fear man .
JESUS is with the lambs , GOD IS WITH US and let us march on having no fear of man nor of death .
Cling to the promises of the LORD and warn as many as we can .
 

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@mailmandan calls me a troll frequently. He posted a meme about feeding trolls today… that just says to me that he’s defeated and has nothing else but to hurl insults.

If I let that hurt my feelings, I’m in the wrong profession. I’m battle hardened for the Lord.

The apostles and saints were killed in the New Testament!
My objection is that it ends discussion. It's not about the feelings, it's about the fruitfulness.

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My objection is that it ends discussion. It's not about the feelings, it's about the fruitfulness.

Much love!
You go from thread to thread looking for a religious outer man affirmation...and when you don't get it...you cry foul. That is your modus operandi.

Start another thread where you can receive pats on the back. Maybe discuss how saved you are and such.
You are NOT insterested in looking deeper in salvation...if it threatens your status.
 

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@mailmandan calls me a troll frequently. He posted a meme about feeding trolls today… that just says to me that he’s defeated and has nothing else but to hurl insults.

If I let that hurt my feelings, I’m in the wrong profession. I’m battle hardened for the Lord.

The apostles and saints were killed in the New Testament!
Yes, good point, but you should be making it to those who need it. Mark was just making an observation. Anyway, the Lord sees.
 

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My objection is that it ends discussion. It's not about the feelings, it's about the fruitfulness.

Much love!
All the lambs can do is contend for the truth of the glorious GOD and HIS CHRIST .
What i say next most will not want to hear . I say it with a very heavy heart because i desire and desired not the death of any .
But most are DECIEVED mark they are already buying into this mystery of inquity and its lie .
and it has come to UNIFY THE WORLD and her religoins right under the very beast spoken of long , long ago .
People are just gonna have to quit getting offended . I been called more names
than the dirty book of names might even have in it .
But not their lies , nor their hate of me , nor their persectuions have slowed me nor swayed me . TRUTH IS
The warnings MUST ONLY INCREASE . For i desire only good for even those who hate me
and not their death but rather they have LIFE IN CHRIST before its TOO LATE .
 

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You go from thread to thread looking for a religious outer man affirmation...and when you don't get it...you cry foul. That is your modus operandi.

Start another thread where you can receive pats on the back. Maybe discuss how saved you are and such.
You are NOT insterested in looking deeper in salvation...if it threatens your status.
No, his discernment is quite right.
 
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The saints.

But he also speaks of the saints here:

“And you, who were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish, and without charge in His sight, if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:21-23)
Amen!

Much love!
 

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Amen!

Much love!
Thats right CLING to CHRIST , CLING TO THE VERY HOPE of the gospel .
For many are running to another gospel which cannot save . They have made satans version of love THEIR GOD
and it has a VERY BROAD INCLUSIVE ROAD to HELL . HELL has enlarged its mouth for the all inclusive lie
that salvation could be attained OUTSIDE OF FAITH IN JESUS . AND what A LIE IT IS .
TELL me , what kind of love , what LOVE , what LOVE allows a message to be taught
that says all paths are fine and certain sins are now honored . IT AINT LOVE ITS DEATH they preach but know it not .
WHEN LOVE MAKES THE PATH BROAD , we BETTER KNOW ITS FALSE and not of GOD .
THERE Is but one way to GOD , JESUS CHRIST , there is but one way to be saved , BELIEVE YE IN HIM .
ALL else is but death awaiting the second death . Let none be moved away from the ONE TRUE GOSPEL
first GIVEN BY CHRIST and later by the apostels to the churches .
 
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You go from thread to thread looking for a religious outer man affirmation...and when you don't get it...you cry foul. That is your modus operandi.

Start another thread where you can receive pats on the back. Maybe discuss how saved you are and such.
You are NOT insterested in looking deeper in salvation...if it threatens your status.
You never answered me before, when I brought this up.

Since you continue to presume to know the hearts of others, I'm wondering, do I remember correctly? That you've said that you've taken the name "Episkopos" in it's relation to Episkopay, that is, visitation? That you've been "visited" by God, and approved, and now you are His visitation to others, that you reject or approve others in this way? Is this what you've said before? Do you still think this way?

Is this why you feel free to judge others?

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Actually, it’s more like a competition for who sins the most, who’s the most unworthy of God!

But I get where you’re coming from.
you just summed up the movement within the all inclusive lie .
They are competing now for WHOSE VERSION OF JESUS accepts the MOST SIN .
OH so your jesus only accepts gay marriage , WELL MY does that and the Transgender movement too .
OH YEAH , well my jesus accepts all that and EVERYONES RELIGOIN AND PATH TO GOD .
I mean it just keeps getting worse .
 

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Well gee @marks , it sure seems that way.

I hate to be hyperbolic, but it’s scary what some Christians say about themselves!
Its as though the contest has become lets see who SINS MORE DAILY . and boast in that stuff .
But paul would have said , WHO YE SERVE is WHOSE YE ARE .
Paul never said things like oh we sin thousands of times a day . What HE said was LET IT NOT ONCE BE NAMED among you .
The hits just keep getting worse n worse n worse . AND if someone dares to correct
ITS the title , YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS BIGGOT STOP JUDGING .
 
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