First Work of Faith: Confessing Jesus Christ

[Gilligan]

Can a deaf mute person confess with his mouth?

I've been waiting for this accusation against God.

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

You deny we must be saved by confessing the Lord Jesus with our mouth, because you say mutes can't do so.

 

[Gilligan]

is this all you have?

It's not what I have. It's what you do.

There is no such thing as faith alone

Paul said we are saved by faith alone. Apart from works.

Can you not read your own words?

Why would anyone be foolish enough to actually argue with someone, that not only contradicts themselves from one moment to the next, but they can't even see it when repeated to them?

Are you kidding me?

Let's try that again.

There is no such thing as faith alone

Paul said we are saved by faith alone. Apart from works.

Yep, still the same self contradiction, that you won't even acknowledge, much less try to correct.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I've been waiting for this accusation against God.

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

You deny we must be saved by confessing the Lord Jesus with our mouth, because you say mutes can't do so.

I don’t deny anything my friend. i just asked you a question..

I am not the one accusing God my friend. You are. By saying his death on the cross was insufficient. By claiming when he said it is finished, He lied. And there must be more.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not what I have. It's what you do.

In other words. You have nothing

Can you not read your own words?

Why would anyone be foolish enough to actually argue with someone, that not only contradicts themselves from one moment to the next, but they can't even see it when repeated to them?

Are you kidding me?

Let's try that again.

This shows your complete utter lack of understanding and reading comprehension

One is born again, saved, at a point of time, This point of time is when they have faith in the gospel of Christ.

AFTER this point of time. A person who has TRUE living faith, will work. That saving faith that saved the person at that POINT OF TIME, will never be alone

Yep, still the same self contradiction, that you won't even acknowledge, much less try to correct.

Yep still the same legalistic mindset. You have to twist and try to deflect from the truth and try to misrepresent someone else.. because you can;t respond to the truth of Gods salvation, which s by GRACE, through faith, and not by works

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think it all comes down to discerning the different senses of work.

There is external "works" in the Biblical sense that one cannot claim to earn salvation. Then there is internal work regarding faith and belief. “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[b] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." It means one must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. Believing is an action word. It is work. It's just not works in the Biblical sense.

I think it comes down to just listening to what people are saying and what God says is a work.

1. Jesus said it is the work of God that we believe. It is not our work. We can’t boast f it. And we can;t earn salvation because we believe

2. There are people that say we must do works of righteousness to be saved. Keep our salvation, or keep from losing our salvation. These people boast in their works. And attack those who believe it is Gods work in us that we are saved as rejecting the gospel. While at the same time, claiming they do nt teach a works based gospel. Which is false.

 

[Wrangler]

1. Jesus said it is the work of God that we believe

Yet, he also says if we - not God - have the faith of a mustard seed and tell a mountain to move, it will move.

Also, there is a difference between God "calling" us to believe and us choosing to believe. One his his work. The other is our work. Moses was standing on hallowed ground, talking to God in a burning bush. Yet, he still did not believe as he argued with God, coming up with one excuse after another why he should not do the work required.

As I said, there is works in the Biblical sense. Jesus talked of this type of work. And there is work in the general sense of action.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yet, he also says if we - not God - have the faith of a mustard seed and tell a mountain to move, it will move.

Also, there is a difference between God "calling" us to believe and us choosing to believe. One his his work. The other is our work. Moses was standing on hallowed ground, talking to God in a burning bush. Yet, he still did not believe as he argued with God, coming up with one excuse after another why he should not do the work required.

As I said, there is works in the Biblical sense. Jesus talked of this type of work. And there is work in the general sense of action.

It’s still not a work

They asked Jesus. What work must e perform

Jesus did it I the irk of God that WE BELIEVE

Yes. I must trust God. But it’s not my work it is his

 

[Wrangler]

It’s still not a work

It is work even though it is not "a work" in the Biblical sense. Or is universalism proper doctrine?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is work even though it is not "a work" in the Biblical sense. Or is universalism proper doctrine?

In the biblical sense. once again, a work is something you can boast in.

Can you boast/take credit for saving yourself because you trusted in the total work of someone else to save you?

Universalism? Where do you come up with this stuff??

 

[Wrangler]

In the biblical sense. once again, a work is something you can boast in.

For some reason, you are in denial of work in the general sense. That is why you could not answer my question about universal salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For some reason, you are in denial of work in the general sense. That is why you could not answer my question about universal salvation.

I could care less about a "general sense"

I care what the bible says

The bible says not of works. lest anyone should BOAST

I have asked you multiple times how a person can BOAST of saving themself if all they did was have FAITH in someone else.. who did ALL the work. and you have not answered.. does it not fit your plan? is that why you can;t answer

The bible says if Abraham was found by works. He has something to boast.

Jesus said it is the work of God that we have faith in him, It is not our work.

as for universal salvation.. lol it has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything I am saying. THATS why I asked what it has to do with our discussion.

 

[Wrangler]

I could care less about a "general sense"

You should because this is the language people speak. Christians make damn fools contradicting themselves, saying there is nothing you can do to be saved BUT you have to …

That’s why I ask about universalism.

 

[Wrangler]

is that why you can;t answer

Because your question is invalid. ‘Boasting’ is besides the fact of having to do work - even if internal - to be saved.

 

[Wrangler]

as for universal salvation.. lol it has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything I am saying. THATS why I asked what it has to do with our discussion.

Again, IF no work is required by anybody, then universalism must be correct doctrine.

Stop contradicting yourself and you’ll find your evangelism much more effective.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You should because this is the language people speak. Christians make damn fools contradicting themselves, saying there is nothing you can do to be saved BUT you have to …

That’s why I ask about universalism.

I am talking about works as a means of gaining salvation. Legalism, earning salvation by doing a work..

We do not now. nor will we ever earn salvation by trusting in him, because it is not OUR WORK, it is GODS WORK.

It is God who draws, it is God who teaches, it is God who convicts, it is God who brings us to our knees.

We then have to chose to say yes or no.. If we say yes in faith we DID NOT EARN salvation


I have said numerous times we have to trust in Christ. and you keep throwing universalism in my face.;

are you unable to read?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again, IF no work is required by anybody, then universalism must be correct doctrine.

Stop contradicting yourself and you’ll find your evangelism much more effective.

Titus 3: 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us by the washing and new birth of the holy spirit

Eph 2: 8 For it is by grace we have been saved through faith, and not of ourselves. not of works lest anyone should boast.

Romans 4: For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Rom 11: 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no

2 Tim 1: 9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,


God said no work is required. I just follow God

I am not contradicting anything..

 

[Wrangler]

I am talking about works as a means of gaining salvation.

And I am talking about work (not works) - in the general sense that is needed and which invalidates universalism.

 

[Wrangler]

We then have to chose to say yes or no..

That the work I am talking about.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And I am talking about work (not works) - in the general sense that is needed and which invalidates universalism.

Then your not talking about biblical work..

All we need to do to invalidate universalism is the truth
he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That the work I am talking about.

Thats not a work in the biblical sense.

1. That is the work of God
2. We do not earn salvation because we believe.