Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

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Without sin, what need would there be for redemption?
Isn't this the Gospel from the foundation of the world?

Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

If God chose to create evil for the purpose of leading people to himself,
wouldn't that be a good thing?

God formed the man from the dust of the earth. Prior to their being light darkness covered the face of the deep.
Did God know that this darkness would be some of what the man himself would be made of?

Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Adam is of the earth. who had no form until God formed man from the earth.
The man formed from the earth had no life, void and dark, until God breathed into his face His spirit.
Adam from which all the peoples and nations would come from.

Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Adam was created from "the dust" of the earth.

Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

The Gospel begins in the beginning.
The moment God said: Let there be Light.
From the foundations of the earth.

Eve was taken out of the man. She is also of the dust of the ground. Second generation.
First there is Christ and then the Bride of Christ is the church.
But Adam is not Christ, Adam comes from the ground below. Christ comes from above.
Eve is not the Bride of Christ, she is the one who sits upon many waters.

Eve listened to the snake instead of her husband. This is a form of adultery. Adultery doesn't have to be sexual, it's when you should have no one you obey rather than your husband.
1Pe 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2
While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

Basically all of 1Peter chapter 3.

and:
Pro 30:20
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

Eve wasn't perfect, neither was Adam. God placed Adam in the garden to be perfected.
Why else place a tree in the midst which was "not good" for them to eat?

And not everything was good. God himself said it was not good that man should be alone.
It was from this not good that Eve was brought forth. To make it better. So that Adam would not be alone when the fall came.

Ecc 4:11
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

Heb 9:23
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Just as the first Adam was made earthy, not spiritual, and Eve also earthy and not spiritual.
The last Adam was made a quickening spirit, as well as Eve will be a quickening spirit.
And God fortold this when he said: Eve is the mother of all Living.
This was a prophecy.

But there is a process to go through to get from earthy to spiritual and that process requires an event of death to occur.
And God created the serpent as a tool or a means to bring about death, through Eve... as the weaker vessel.

Consider my servant Job...

Simon Simon, Satan hath desired to sift you as wheat. I didn't say no. But I will pray for you that your faith fail not.

There is a process and everything God made that was made was good for the purpose he designed it for.

Adam is Now the Son of God, and Eve his wife is Now the Bride and Church of Christ.
It doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when we see him we shall be like him.

Earthy is earthy... carnal is carnal. And that's how God made us from the beginning, even with all our faults.
But we have this hope... and that is what God created us for.

Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

The creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjested the same in hope.

I do not believe Eve set out on a journey to eat the fruit. But was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but for a reason. Hope.

Isa 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Heb 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

If there is no suffering, how can one be perfected?
If none are lost, how can they be redeemed?

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Without sin, what need would there be for redemption?
Isn't this the Gospel from the foundation of the world?

Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

If God chose to create evil for the purpose of leading people to himself,
wouldn't that be a good thing?

God formed the man from the dust of the earth. Prior to their being light darkness covered the face of the deep.
Did God know that this darkness would be some of what the man himself would be made of?

Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Adam is of the earth. who had no form until God formed man from the earth.
The man formed from the earth had no life, void and dark, until God breathed into his face His spirit.
Adam from which all the peoples and nations would come from.

Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Adam was created from "the dust" of the earth.

Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

The Gospel begins in the beginning.
The moment God said: Let there be Light.
From the foundations of the earth.

Eve was taken out of the man. She is also of the dust of the ground. Second generation.
First there is Christ and then the Bride of Christ is the church.
But Adam is not Christ, Adam comes from the ground below. Christ comes from above.
Eve is not the Bride of Christ, she is the one who sits upon many waters.

Eve listened to the snake instead of her husband. This is a form of adultery. Adultery doesn't have to be sexual, it's when you should have no one you obey rather than your husband.
1Pe 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2
While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

Basically all of 1Peter chapter 3.

and:
Pro 30:20
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

Eve wasn't perfect, neither was Adam. God placed Adam in the garden to be perfected.
Why else place a tree in the midst which was "not good" for them to eat?

And not everything was good. God himself said it was not good that man should be alone.
It was from this not good that Eve was brought forth. To make it better. So that Adam would not be alone when the fall came.

Ecc 4:11
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

Heb 9:23
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Just as the first Adam was made earthy, not spiritual, and Eve also earthy and not spiritual.
The last Adam was made a quickening spirit, as well as Eve will be a quickening spirit.
And God fortold this when he said: Eve is the mother of all Living.
This was a prophecy.

But there is a process to go through to get from earthy to spiritual and that process requires an event of death to occur.
Each and every scripture you posted is YES and Amen = 100% truth.

Not one of those scriptures declare that God made the Earth/Animals/Garden/Adam & Eve in sin = not one!

Adam & Eve were created sinless = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

Is there sin in God's Image? = None - ZERO
Is there sin in Christ who is the express Image of God? None/Zero = see Hebrews ch1

It was impossible for Eve to sin apart from the Serpent/Satan. = 1 Timothy 2:14

And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived,
fell into transgression.

Notice what the Scripture says = "Eve was deceived" = by the Serpent/Satan = not of her own or on her own.

AFTER the fall of Eve = Sin became permanent within mankind and can only be subdued by = God's Grace

Therefore AFTERWARDS we see this: Psalm 51:5 , Romans 5: James 1:13-15


Surely I was brought forth in iniquity;
I was sinful when my mother conceived me.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.



Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Lucifer (Light Bearer) was created by God.
Lucifer rebelled(Darkness) and sinned against God.
Lucifer is the Cherubim that masqueraded as the Serpent in the Garden.
His name is forever now branded as Satan the Deceiver/Liar/Adversary and he is destined for the Lake of Fire.
 
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How do we know this from Genesis??? = and God said "It is Good" = without Sin in all of His Creation on Earth/Animals/Man
I was thinking about this this morning.

What does it mean, "It is good" ?

Is it "without sin" ? or "with love" ?

Gen 50:20
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Psa 69:16
Hear me, O LORD; for thy lovingkindness is good: turn unto me according to the multitude of thy tender mercies.

Psa 86:5
For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.

Psa 145:9
The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

Gen 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This brought to mind the parable of the sower.

Mat 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Gen 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

the man is become....

Isa 5:1
Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
Isa 5:2
And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
Isa 5:3
And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.
Isa 5:4
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
Isa 5:5
And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
Isa 5:6
And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Isaiah chapter 5 is pretty heavy.
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I was thinking about this this morning.

What does it mean, "It is good" ?

Is it "without sin" ? or "with love" ?

Gen 50:20
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Psa 69:16
Hear me, O LORD; for thy lovingkindness is good: turn unto me according to the multitude of thy tender mercies.

Psa 86:5
For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.

Psa 145:9
The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

Gen 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This brought to mind the parable of the sower.

Mat 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Gen 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

the man is become....

Isa 5:1
Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
Isa 5:2
And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
Isa 5:3
And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.
Isa 5:4
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
Isa 5:5
And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
Isa 5:6
And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Isaiah chapter 5 is pretty heavy.
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Good Morning,
One of the most liberating Truth that our LORD spoke as well as the most disappointing (to mature adults) - Mathew 18:1-4

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.


So much unnecessary drama, politics, religious banter and positioning within christianity that they have lost the Joy of Childhood.

when we strut our fluff
and give out a big puff
we miss out on the Good Stuff
where a simple word from the King
is Good Enough that it
needs no bling!



The SPLENDOR of God's Wisdom is the Simplicity that is in Christ = Genesis = God's Desire

But I fear, lest somehow, as the Serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3
 
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I was thinking about this this morning.

What does it mean, "It is good" ?

Is it "without sin" ? or "with love" ?

Gen 50:20
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Psa 69:16
Hear me, O LORD; for thy lovingkindness is good: turn unto me according to the multitude of thy tender mercies.

Psa 86:5
For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.

Psa 145:9
The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

Gen 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This brought to mind the parable of the sower.

Mat 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Gen 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

the man is become....

Isa 5:1
Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
Isa 5:2
And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
Isa 5:3
And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.
Isa 5:4
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
Isa 5:5
And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
Isa 5:6
And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Isaiah chapter 5 is pretty heavy.
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Everything that God said was Good in Genesis chapters 1-3 was created without Sin = BEFORE the Serpent entered Eve's heart with his Sin, that now became hers. To which it befell all of mankind.

As you know= "darkness was on the deep" = Satan had previously rebelled and his darkness of sin was present before the creation of earth/animals/man/Garden.

God who is Greater is demonstrating to the angels and us, in Genesis ch1 -3, that nothing can overrule, overturn or overpower His Word.

"and God said let there be Light" = "the Light shines in the Darkness and the Darkness could not overcome it."

Then Jesus said to them, “A little while longer the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going. While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.

"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
whose minds the god of this age has blinded (darkness) who do not believe,
lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them."
 
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God made man on the 6th day and everything was good.
On the 7th day God rested.
I always relate this day to Jesus in the grave during the Sabbath. Not that He wasn't working. But after everything was "finished"
He gave up his life for his sheep. During this time he was going to prepare a place for us. Also freeing the spirits who were kept captive.
I believe God was very busy during this time.

But on the 1st day, Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden and they were afraid and hid themselves.
This would be as when Jesus rose from the dead.

There is also the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, which is also Abraham willing to Sacrifice his son Isaac.

Then there is the part where God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam and to remove one of his ribs to make a woman.

He is only sleeping Jesus said when they told him Lazarus was dead.
So there is a connection between deep sleep as in Genesis and sleeping in death in th Gospel.

What was God doing on the Sabbath that made it accesable for the serpent to slip into the garden.
What is the rib that God removed from Adam?

The answers are all through the bible, I just haven't found them yet.

When the goodman of the house returns he sees the enemy has planted tares among the wheat.
There are a lot of parables about the owner of the vineyard, field returning unawares and finding the servants misbehaving.
I would think the same applies when God returned from his resting on the 7th day.

The second coming? Will he find faith upon the earth?

Did Adam and Eve have faith?

Just thinking..
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God made man on the 6th day and everything was good.
On the 7th day God rested.
I always relate this day to Jesus in the grave during the Sabbath. Not that He wasn't working. But after everything was "finished"
He gave up his life for his sheep. During this time he was going to prepare a place for us. Also freeing the spirits who were kept captive.
I believe God was very busy during this time.

But on the 1st day, Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden and they were afraid and hid themselves.
This would be as when Jesus rose from the dead.

There is also the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, which is also Abraham willing to Sacrifice his son Isaac.

Then there is the part where God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam and to remove one of his ribs to make a woman.

He is only sleeping Jesus said when they told him Lazarus was dead.
So there is a connection between deep sleep as in Genesis and sleeping in death in th Gospel.

What was God doing on the Sabbath that made it accesable for the serpent to slip into the garden.
What is the rib that God removed from Adam?

The answers are all through the bible, I just haven't found them yet.

When the goodman of the house returns he sees the enemy has planted tares among the wheat.
There are a lot of parables about the owner of the vineyard, field returning unawares and finding the servants misbehaving.
I would think the same applies when God returned from his resting on the 7th day.

The second coming? Will he find faith upon the earth?

Did Adam and Eve have faith?

Just thinking..
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You said: "Then there is the part where God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam and to remove one of his ribs to make a woman."

This would be the 'symbolic' equivalent to Jesus death/burial/tomb and of course His Resurrection.

"looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." - Hebrews ch12

again we SEE God's Desire in Genesis, whereby "it is not good for man to be alone" = this signifying God's Plan beforeHand......

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive."
 
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The serpent in the garden?

Man of Lawlessness

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Gen 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Look-n-See

"that which is earthly is of the earth" = Eve the mother of all who come into this world

JESUS "Do not marvel I say - you must be Born Again......."

Nichodemus: "Can a man enter again into his mother's womb? = Eve

NOPE = flesh and blood cannot go back to the GARDEN = "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" 1 Cor ch15

Genesis - "Therefore the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. So He drove out the man and stationed cherubim on the east side of the Garden of Eden, along with a whirling sword of flame to guard the way to the tree of life."

We need a New Birth from a Sinless Mother - Galatians ch4

These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery:
This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem Above is free, and She is our Mother.

Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
 
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The son of perdition. ...

perdition = destruction
destroying, utter destruction

same word perdition:

Mat 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, G684 and many there be which go in thereat:

son of destruction, son of death...

Rev 17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. G684

God created the creeping things, like snakes on one of the seven days of the week.
And on the 8th day.. which also signifies circumcision or the cutting off, is also the 1st which is part of the seven.

So God created the snake.
Gen 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And this day is the sixth day, the same day God created man.

Gen 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So not only is 6 the number of man, it is also the number of the snake.

Jealousy much?

and on the 8th day when They heard the Lord walking in the garden is the same day the serpent was sent out of the garden.
Cicumcised, cut off from the face of the Lord.
Reminds me of Cain.. again.

thinking..
 
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The serpent in the garden?

Man of Lawlessness

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Genesis starts with Eve the "mother of all living"

In Post #90 we see that Eve will not do for us what we have need of = to be Born Again

So we rejoice in the New Birth which came from the Holy Spirit and our Birth Place = Sinless Mother = Heavenly Jerusalem.

Could it be TRUE that God's Desire in Genesis also foretells of this??? Genesis ch14

Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. And he blessed Abram and said:

“Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”
And Abram gave Melchizedek a tithe of all.

Hebrews 7:1-3
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

Psalm 110 - "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek"
 
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#2 - God does not lie - Gen 3:7-8
And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Adam, in fact died the very same day = in his soul/spirit and not in his physical body.

#3 - God's Desire for man was for Adam to Walk with HIM and to Know and Love God for 1,000 Years.
After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body. This Desire was interrupted by SIN - which God knew would happen and therefore had the Eternal Plan of Redemption for man already in PLACE = Revelation 13:8 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
I perceive and agree to what you are saying, however the issue that Adam should live for 1000 years, then being in the sinfulness of his being, I think it is based more on speculation and assumption of "human wisdom", which is that of our natural mind.

The long length of years for Adam, as well as many others upto the flood, was due to the natural course of their bodies, being uninhibited by disease and the aging process, because of having strong immune systems.

However , In Gen. 6:1-3, God determines man's lifespan to be limited to 120 years. We can see that fading of long life spans beginning to take place in Gen. 11:1-32, after the flood and the Tower of Babel. However, we should not forget that their long length of life, was mainly to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it". Gen. 1:28.
Of course that is my speculation and assumption also.

So then, not too long after the flood, God limited man's life span to 120 years, which was and is specific.
In my opinion, God's decision to do so, was becsuse He was almost determined to not save anyone, due to fact of how fast the world of men (Adam to Noah) became corrupted, in a relatively small global population, within 1660+/- years.
 

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I perceive and agree to what you are saying, however the issue that Adam should live for 1000 years, then being in the sinfulness of his being, I think it is based more on speculation and assumption of "human wisdom", which is that of our natural mind.

The long length of years for Adam, as well as many others upto the flood, was due to the natural course of their bodies, being uninhibited by disease and the aging process, because of having strong immune systems.

However , In Gen. 6:1-3, God determines man's lifespan to be limited to 120 years. We can see that fading of long life spans beginning to take place in Gen. 11:1-32, after the flood and the Tower of Babel. However, we should not forget that their long length of life, was mainly to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it". Gen. 1:28.
Of course that is my speculation and assumption also.

So then, not too long after the flood, God limited man's life span to 120 years, which was and is specific.
In my opinion, God's decision to do so, was becsuse He was almost determined to not save anyone, due to fact of how fast the world of men (Adam to Noah) became corrupted, in a relatively small global population, within 1660+/- years.
Thank you for your response.

Is not your post a better example of human wisdom being applied to Scripture?

God's Wisdom sounds like this = "Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men."
 
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Thank you for your response.

Is not your post a better example of human wisdom being applied to Scripture?

God's Wisdom sounds like this = "Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men."
KJV John 1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.

[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Notice, it doesn't say WHERE the light was concerning men. Many assume that they are born with it, as would be the foolishness of believing one has an eternal soul.
Yes! His life was the light of men, but never was it within us at creation or birth.


[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The light of Jesus' life and his words shines into the darkness of our "natural man", which is every person, but the darkness that is in people, our "natural mind", does not comprehend the light of Jesus. Therefore, except a man be born again, he cannot see (percieve/understand), nor can he enter into the KoG, aka the life and light of Jesus.
 

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Could Adam have been 70 years old when he sinned?
Very doubtful. The way Genesis 3 succeeds Genesis 2, it seems that very shortly after the creation of Adam and Eve, Satan came along and deceived Eve.
 

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The law as a fig leaf. Hadn't heard that before. Interesting.
It would be more accurate to say that MISUSE of the Law could have a fig leaf effect. But the Law itself is holy, righteous, and good.
 

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KJV John 1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.

[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Notice, it doesn't say WHERE the light was concerning men. Many assume that they are born with it, as would be the foolishness of believing one has an eternal soul.
Yes! His life was the light of men, but never was it within us at creation or birth.


[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The light of Jesus' life and his words shines into the darkness of our "natural man", which is every person, but the darkness that is in people, our "natural mind", does not comprehend the light of Jesus. Therefore, except a man be born again, he cannot see (percieve/understand), nor can he enter into the KoG, aka the life and light of Jesus.
You said: "The long length of years for Adam, as well as many others up to the flood, was due to the natural course of their bodies, being uninhibited by disease and the aging process, because of having strong immune systems."

You are applying human wisdom to Scripture.

"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

Adam live 930 years because God created Adam to live 1,000 years.
Due to sin Adam fell short of God's Plan for Adam = 1,000 years

Natural causes did not create man and it did not determine mans longevity - God did.

Because of the deadly outcome of sin God shortened mankinds age span to 120 years.
 
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It would be more accurate to say that MISUSE of the Law could have a fig leaf effect. But the Law itself is holy, righteous, and good.
Interesting that you would quote the Apostle to defend the law. (Romans 7:12)
With no consideration of the context. See below.
Not to mention everything else Paul writes about the law we are not under.

Romans 7:6 NIV
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law
so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
 
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Interesting that you would quote the Apostle to defend the law. (Romans 7:12)
Paul was writing under divine inspiration. Therefore we should take that as coming from God. At the same time Paul was also speaking of the misuse and misunderstanding of the Law.