Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Without sin, what need would there be for redemption?
Isn't this the Gospel from the foundation of the world?
Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
If God chose to create evil for the purpose of leading people to himself,
wouldn't that be a good thing?
God formed the man from the dust of the earth. Prior to their being light darkness covered the face of the deep.
Did God know that this darkness would be some of what the man himself would be made of?
Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Adam is of the earth. who had no form until God formed man from the earth.
The man formed from the earth had no life, void and dark, until God breathed into his face His spirit.
Adam from which all the peoples and nations would come from.
Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Adam was created from "the dust" of the earth.
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
The Gospel begins in the beginning.
The moment God said: Let there be Light.
From the foundations of the earth.
Eve was taken out of the man. She is also of the dust of the ground. Second generation.
First there is Christ and then the Bride of Christ is the church.
But Adam is not Christ, Adam comes from the ground below. Christ comes from above.
Eve is not the Bride of Christ, she is the one who sits upon many waters.
Eve listened to the snake instead of her husband. This is a form of adultery. Adultery doesn't have to be sexual, it's when you should have no one you obey rather than your husband.
1Pe 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2
While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
Basically all of 1Peter chapter 3.
and:
Pro 30:20
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
Eve wasn't perfect, neither was Adam. God placed Adam in the garden to be perfected.
Why else place a tree in the midst which was "not good" for them to eat?
And not everything was good. God himself said it was not good that man should be alone.
It was from this not good that Eve was brought forth. To make it better. So that Adam would not be alone when the fall came.
Ecc 4:11
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
Heb 9:23
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Just as the first Adam was made earthy, not spiritual, and Eve also earthy and not spiritual.
The last Adam was made a quickening spirit, as well as Eve will be a quickening spirit.
And God fortold this when he said: Eve is the mother of all Living.
This was a prophecy.
But there is a process to go through to get from earthy to spiritual and that process requires an event of death to occur.
And God created the serpent as a tool or a means to bring about death, through Eve... as the weaker vessel.
Consider my servant Job...
Simon Simon, Satan hath desired to sift you as wheat. I didn't say no. But I will pray for you that your faith fail not.
There is a process and everything God made that was made was good for the purpose he designed it for.
Adam is Now the Son of God, and Eve his wife is Now the Bride and Church of Christ.
It doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when we see him we shall be like him.
Earthy is earthy... carnal is carnal. And that's how God made us from the beginning, even with all our faults.
But we have this hope... and that is what God created us for.
Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
The creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjested the same in hope.
I do not believe Eve set out on a journey to eat the fruit. But was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but for a reason. Hope.
Isa 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Heb 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
If there is no suffering, how can one be perfected?
If none are lost, how can they be redeemed?
Hugs
Isn't this the Gospel from the foundation of the world?
Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
If God chose to create evil for the purpose of leading people to himself,
wouldn't that be a good thing?
God formed the man from the dust of the earth. Prior to their being light darkness covered the face of the deep.
Did God know that this darkness would be some of what the man himself would be made of?
Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Adam is of the earth. who had no form until God formed man from the earth.
The man formed from the earth had no life, void and dark, until God breathed into his face His spirit.
Adam from which all the peoples and nations would come from.
Rev 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Adam was created from "the dust" of the earth.
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
The Gospel begins in the beginning.
The moment God said: Let there be Light.
From the foundations of the earth.
Eve was taken out of the man. She is also of the dust of the ground. Second generation.
First there is Christ and then the Bride of Christ is the church.
But Adam is not Christ, Adam comes from the ground below. Christ comes from above.
Eve is not the Bride of Christ, she is the one who sits upon many waters.
Eve listened to the snake instead of her husband. This is a form of adultery. Adultery doesn't have to be sexual, it's when you should have no one you obey rather than your husband.
1Pe 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2
While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
Basically all of 1Peter chapter 3.
and:
Pro 30:20
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
Eve wasn't perfect, neither was Adam. God placed Adam in the garden to be perfected.
Why else place a tree in the midst which was "not good" for them to eat?
And not everything was good. God himself said it was not good that man should be alone.
It was from this not good that Eve was brought forth. To make it better. So that Adam would not be alone when the fall came.
Ecc 4:11
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
Heb 9:23
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Just as the first Adam was made earthy, not spiritual, and Eve also earthy and not spiritual.
The last Adam was made a quickening spirit, as well as Eve will be a quickening spirit.
And God fortold this when he said: Eve is the mother of all Living.
This was a prophecy.
But there is a process to go through to get from earthy to spiritual and that process requires an event of death to occur.
And God created the serpent as a tool or a means to bring about death, through Eve... as the weaker vessel.
Consider my servant Job...
Simon Simon, Satan hath desired to sift you as wheat. I didn't say no. But I will pray for you that your faith fail not.
There is a process and everything God made that was made was good for the purpose he designed it for.
Adam is Now the Son of God, and Eve his wife is Now the Bride and Church of Christ.
It doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when we see him we shall be like him.
Earthy is earthy... carnal is carnal. And that's how God made us from the beginning, even with all our faults.
But we have this hope... and that is what God created us for.
Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
The creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjested the same in hope.
I do not believe Eve set out on a journey to eat the fruit. But was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but for a reason. Hope.
Isa 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Heb 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
If there is no suffering, how can one be perfected?
If none are lost, how can they be redeemed?
Hugs