How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

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Eternally Grateful

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Many here deny we have access now...going contrary to any sound doctrine. Saying rather, that I am speaking lies and false teachings for pointing this out...pushing the kingdom realm into an after-life.

Many have bolstered an unbelief in a kind of spoiled carnal mob mentality..to the amusement of the uncrucified. (who claim to be crucified by reading certain texts)
Who? Can you name one person who claims this?
 
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That's a general statement of principle. They - whomever they be - the qualification is that they are the ones who wait on the Lord, so nationality isn't a part of it.

Much love!
You sound like you're talking to me. I'm kidding...trying to get into the mind of a crow.
 

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It doesn't say...."Then the disciples claimed to be clean by the words of Jesus"

or...

"then Abraham claimed to be as righteous as God because of his beliefs"

All of these kinds of misreadings are religious in nature and VERY deceptive.

How can we ever have a real church if we are satisfied with assuming and presuming our way into the text? What we have is a delusional religion that is meant to be exposed and rejected when everything is compared to Christ.
Neither are we saying we claimed to be..

The word says we are. not that we claim to be
 

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So romans 6 means nothing?
In the proper context...everything means something. The trick is to not misuse what we are given as directives to prop up the very thing we claim is crucified (according to the text).

This is why a judgment day is so necessary...to sort out the intricate mess the flesh makes out of the higher walk.
 

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In the proper context...everything means something. The trick is to not misuse what we are given as directives to prop up the very thing we claim is crucified (according to the text).

This is why a judgment day is so necessary...to sort out the intricate mess the flesh makes out of the higher walk.
But your higher walk is built upon the flesh since you reject the spirits leading and guidance through His word the scriptures . It’s nothing but a facade.
 
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So romans 6 means nothing?
I think the problem comes in when I ask about being baptised into Christ. The one who has been baptized into Christ is now dead, and freed from sin, according to that passage.

It's on the same lines as the verse about those who wait on the Lord will renew their strength. The qualifier is "those who wait on the Lord", and the outcome is, "they will renew their strength".

In Romans 6, the qualifier is, "as many of us as were baptised into Jesus Christ". If this is you, then the outcome is, the old man was crucified with Him, and being dead, you are now freed from sin.

The assertion is that I'm reading myself into this text. Since it all hinges on whether or not one is baptized into Jesus Christ, the question is, have I been baptized into Jesus Christ?

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You will see the scale of your unbelief soon.
Maybe you should buy a mirror and tell us what you see.

James 1
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
 
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Maybe you should buy a mirror and tell us what you see.

James 1
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
I'm thinking that your online name "Christophany" Is a combination of "Christopher" and "funny".
 

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Its obvious we got a problem within christendom .
I honestly dont think most folks have any idea
of what JESUS actually accomplished on the cross .
First he paid the price of our sins
But take a closer look .
So that we being DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS .
WHY o why do so many not preach the POWER of CHRIST and what the new life entails in HIM .
BELIEVE IN HIM . BELIEVE EVERY WORD written . Dont just let pastors
allow you to think you are slave to sin . THERE TRULY IS POWER in the BLOOD .
To reach to the conscious , to purge from our conscious the old dead works , to give power
to live and walk righteously by the power of the SPIRIT . .
JESUS told those who beleived on HIM . IF YOU CONTINUE IN ME , You shall KNOW THE TRUTH
and the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE . FREE . not a slave , but FREE .
 
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