No More Death

[Timtofly]

Good Morning David :)

Sorry, but you have not proven Gen 1-5 and Rev 20:4-6 prove there will be another one thousand literal years of time given this earth after Christ comes again. What is the purpose for another one thousand more years of time since at His coming again the saints will be immortal and incorruptible? That happens when the Kingdom of God is complete and time for proclaiming the Gospel unto all the nations of the earth ended. Christ returns to usher in the new everlasting, never ending, eternal earth where there will be no more sin, no more pain or sorrow, no more death. The new eternal earth will be inhabited only with immortal/incorruptible living souls.

It is not "another" age nor added time. No one is claiming God adds time to creation. That is a strawman argument.

Time is not over at the Second Coming.

The time that is up is Adam's 6,000 years of punishment, sin and death. That time is over, no more sin and death. Also the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 is over when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding. Then, the fulness of the Gentiles is completed at the Second Coming. These are the mysteries that the Jews could not understand in the first century.

Creation is not a mystery declared by the prophets. Salvation was a mystery. Taking the gospel to the whole world, and not just the Jews was a mystery. Even God's redemptive work was a mystery to them, because obviously they rejected God which was part of the plan, and the Cross was a reality.

You cannot even state that the NHNE is eternal. This current heaven and earth only had a life span of 8,000 years. The next one may last longer than 8,000 years, but you have no basis to proclaim the next creation eternal, when you cannot even get the time alloted to this creation correct.

You do realize that this creation was to be "eternal" without sin. Adam was supposed to "eternally" obey God. Obviously that did not happen. If Amil can question God in this creation, what is to keep them from rising up in the next one and causing many to rebel? Has any one figured that factor out?

It is Amil who claim God cannot have 1,000 years of perfection after removing sin and death.

 

[Truth7t7]

(Name/Title of final Judgment) The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ,
and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Where does this claimed 1,000 year reign take place "After" the second coming?

 

[Timtofly]

I once was a devoted fan of the Premil doctrine. I know the grounds in which all of such travel. Thanks be to God, that I have been delivered from that form of "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [Holy Spirit] of God.

You mean you jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

That is the opposite direction of truth.

 

[Timtofly]

This is not what Scripture tells us David. Adam could have lived FOREVER if He had not disobeyed God by heeding the voice of the serpent (Satan). The way to the tree of life would have remained there for Adam to continually partake of if he had not sinned, and through his sin brought death unto God's glorious creation. The fact that Adam physically died being 930 years old, has no bearing on a thousand years of time the first advent of Christ ushered in. There is nothing in Scripture to indicate God created man to live for one thousand literal years.

Obviously, 1,000 years is only the first step.

God never created man to die at all.

Are amil trying to say, God only created men to live for 100 literal years?

David is applying a spiritual truth just as much as Amil apply the "spiritual truth" of Jesus being a first resurrection, which is not found in Scripture. At least David is using Scripture.

The first resurrection is not Jesus. The first resurrection is physical, just like the first birth and first death are physical.

Are you saying humans could not be born until after Jesus was born first? The verse you all use call Jesus the firstborn. Why not apply that to birth as well as death along with resurrection?

You seem to accept impossible logic, but not any Scripture that points out you are wrong.

 

[David in NJ]

Obviously, 1,000 years is only the first step.

God never created man to die at all.

Are amil trying to say, God only created men to live for 100 literal years?

David is applying a spiritual truth just as much as Amil apply the "spiritual truth" of Jesus being a first resurrection, which is not found in Scripture. At least David is using Scripture.

The first resurrection is not Jesus. The first resurrection is physical, just like the first birth and first death are physical.

Are you saying humans could not be born until after Jesus was born first? The verse you all use call Jesus the firstborn. Why not apply that to birth as well as death along with resurrection?

You seem to accept impossible logic, but not any Scripture that points out you are wrong.

Bear with me and Scripture here.

In Fact, JESUS is the First Resurrection and the First Resurrection takes Place in HIM = "FIRST and LAST".

Now before we look at all the Scripture that clearly states this, i want everyone to know that the ANSWER is in this Post.

 

[Earburner]

Paul teaches that the mind of Christ is to walk in the spirit.
Paul teaches that this place of spirituality, is to exist in the "renewed mind".

Carnal Religious people teach that trying to be good, trying to be righteous, trying to stay saved, trying to endure, trying to "act" like some idea they have of Christ's behavior.... is "Spiritual". is "Christian"...
Its not.

Correct, Amen!!
We see all of that in the parable of the Ten Virgins.
Those who are shown to be the "foolish virgins", are those who have come to Christ for the forgiveness of sins, but never did they invite the Spirit of Christ to literally take up residence within them. John 3:3-8, Luke 11:13, Rom. 8:9, Rev. 3:20.

We can see the details of that in the parable of the posessed man, who was washed and made clean, but then became possessed again, by even many more evil spirits.Mat. 12:43-45.
Why?
Ans. God's Holy Spirit was not in that believer, EVEN THOUGH they believe in Jesus, and was made clean (garnished).
(Is this the reason why that "many are weak and sick among you"? 1 Cor. 11:28-32. It could very well be!!).

Unfortunately, all of such believe in the Historical Jesus, but not the Spiritual Jesus.
They never followed through with Rev. 3:20.
They never opened the door of themselves, for Jesus to enter into them. Luke 11:13.

Because of negligence, or even from misguided teaching through "Church-ianity", they who do not HAVE the literal Spirit of Christ dwelling in them, "ARE none of His".
We are to make both our "calling" and "ELECTION" SURE. 2 Peter 1:10.

Just because a person has been baptized by water, doesn't mean that they were baptized by the Holy Spirit. Only God knows a person's heart, of WHY they become baptized.

 

[Behold]

Unfortunately, all of such believe in the Historical Jesus, but not the Spiritual Jesus.

"Christ IN You, the hope of Glory".

All the Born again are "IN Christ".

 

[Truth7t7]

"Christ IN You, the hope of Glory".

All the Born again are "IN Christ".

1.) Hear The Gospel

2.) Believe The Gospel

3) Sealed By God The Holy Spirit

"Born Again"

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[Earburner]

Time includes Now/Today/Gospel and "the End of this Age/His Second Coming" AND His promise of 1,000 years of thrones.

I disagree. All born again Christians ARE NOW spiritually seated in heavenly places.
Eph. 2
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us SIT together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Though many cannot accept this now, the truth is:
Jesus Himself is our literal NEW Heaven, and we ourselves, are the literal NEW earth, whereIN DWELLETH righteousness, being that of God's righteousness.

To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG, and the Father IN us, through Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus Himself is our literal NEW Heaven, and we ourselves, are the literal NEW earth, in which dwelleth righteousness, being that of God's righteousness.

Your Claims Are "False" Taking Away From The Scipture Seen Below "Beware"!

There is a "Future Literal" New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, As Seen Below

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[David in NJ]

I disagree. All born again Christians ARE NOW spiritually seated in heavenly places.
Eph. 2
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us SIT together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Though many cannot accept this now, the truth is:
Jesus Himself is our literal NEW Heaven, and we ourselves, are the literal NEW earth, whereIN DWELLETH righteousness, being that of God's righteousness.

To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG, and the Father IN us, through Jesus.

LISTEN UP @Earburner and all Amills:

Ephesians ch2 is 100% YES and AMEN as is the Gospel of John and Acts

We have already RESTED on this TRUTH that our Spirits, which were dead, came ALIVE thru HIM who is "IAM the Resurrection" = CHRIST.

You guys/gals need to stop changing the meaning of Scripture by adding to it what it does not say.

the Body of Christ has not yet reached the Place in TIME where His Second Coming and the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ."

BELIEVE what is VERIFIED - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 , 2 Thess ch2 , 1 John ch2 &ch3 , Matt ch24 , Daniel ch 7 & ch12 and Revelation

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope.
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.


the Amill belief system is unverified and Holy Scripture only VERIFIES a literal 1,000 Rule & Reign

 

[Truth7t7]

the Amill belief system is unverified and Holy Scripture only VERIFIES a literal 1,000 Rule & Reign

There won't be a literal 1,000 year millennial kingdom on this earth as you claim over and over, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

You falsely teach Jesus Is revealed to start a Millennial Kingdom on Earth

Scripture teaches Jesus Is revealed in fire in complete destruction (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[David in NJ]

There won't be a literal 1,000 year millennial kingdom on this earth as you claim over and over, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

What your doing, along with others, is pitting scripture against scripture.

What is commanded to everyone is to submit unto God and dare not change so much as a coma in His words.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt ch5

 

[Earburner]

You mean you jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

That is the opposite direction of truth.

Nooooo..., I was DELIVERED by the Lord Himself, from that Jewish mind set of confusion, whereby they believe EACH literal week day IS equal to a literal 1000 years.

THEY seriously see themselves as being THE Messiah. THEY believe that they are "the suffering servant", who will bring about "a thousand years of peace".

I percieve that they actually might enjoy "Premils" teaching their view, BUT....definitely NOT through Jesus!
Welcome to "that spirit of antichrist".

Here is a site of many, that explains their human reasoning.

Isaiah 53 and the “Suffering Servant.”

Missionaries misleadingly assert that the entire chapter 53 of the book of Isaiah refers to Jesus as the “Suffering Servant” of God who dies for the sins of the world. Someone could easily be fooled to believe this argument if Isaiah is read out of context and without a proper translation.

www.jewsforjudaism.org

 

[Truth7t7]

What your doing, along with others, is pitting scripture against scripture.

What is commanded to everyone is to submit unto God and dare not change so much as a coma in His words.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt ch5

You act as if you hold the truth in your interpretation of a literal millennial kingdom on this earth "Wrong"

Scripture dosent contradict itself, it's David that continues to reject God's words of truth presented again and again, that shows Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth to follow

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Earburner]

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Ok, by pasting your scripture choice above, do you see anything that resembles anything of a NEW heaven or a NEW earth, that might be of your imagination? You wouldn't be looking for something similar to what is now, would you? No fault to you, but most people do!! It's the ONLY knowledge that we KNOW OF, myself included.

Q1. In all of God's Eternity, in the deepest desire of His Being, WHERE does God seek to dwell and live, even at the expense of giving up His only begotten Son, "who was brought forth from Everlasting" being Spirit, but then made to be flesh forever, as being like that of us, but now Immortal, being both Spirit and Immortal.

Q2. Since God Himself is the most treasurable treasure in His Eternity, that a person could ever ASK for, then I must ask symbolically: "what's in your wallet"?

If you are thinking that a new earth is going to be a global ball again, and a new heaven is only going to be similar to what the existing Universe is today, then you really are not thinking about WHAT the longsuffering of God's love for us is all about.

Here is the answer to both questions:
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
(That is to say: "through the veil of His flesh".
Heb.10:20.)
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] in earthen vessels [our bodies of mortal flesh], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

When you have time, study the word "treasure" in the KJV- NT. Here is one to get you started:
Luke 12
[34] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

DOES the Spirit of God, who dwells in Jesus, LIVE within you? If so, and Him being the treasure of your heart, what else is there to look for, but God the Father IN the Son, Who as One DWELLS IN US?
The Greatest Commandment of God will be fulfilled!!

 

[Timtofly]

It does not show two mass bodily resurrections. What you and other Premils stubbornly refuse to acknowledge is that there is a good reason why two different Greek words are used to describe those who have had part in the first resurrection and the rest of the dead. The scripture indicates that those who share in or have part in the first resurrection (which scripture teaches is Christ's resurrection - Acts 26:23, etc.), "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years".

The Greek word used there is "zao" which is not a word used to describe someone being resurrected. The Greek word "anazao" is used to describe the rest of the dead living again. That word IS used to describe someone being resurrected. So, explain why the word "anazao" is not used to describe those who have part in the first resurrection if it's supposedly describing them all being bodily resurrected from the dead? The next Premil to deal with this honestly will be the first one.

A resurrection is from death to life. Those in sheol need to experience the second birth. Those who live in Christ already have.


A resurrection is out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh, not into it.

You cannot live and reign though if you are dead. You cannot even explain that those beheaded were literally beheaded. You explain it away in some time travel nonsense. They are not redeemed prior to being beheaded. They were redeemed because they were beheaded.

If they were redeemed prior to being beheaded, they would have already been translated out of Adam's dead flesh and in Paradise with the church.

These people were beheaded after the Second Coming, and after the sheep and wheat was already removed from the earth. They were not the church, nor the millennium firstfruits. They were redeemed in the act of having their head chopped off to avoid the mark of the beast. That is how they overcame to remain in the Lamb's book of life.

They were judged and given everlasting life. Don't call that a resurrection. Don't call those in sheol a resurrection either, unless you are going to allow them to remain in the Lamb's book of life and also given everlasting life. Anyone given a first resurrection will not be cast into the LOF, even those dead still in sheol, ie the rest of the dead.

You are still in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, so have not experienced any resurrection. To say otherwise is being deceived and not the truth. You are spiritually born of the second birth.

 

[David in NJ]

You act as if you hold the truth in your interpretation of a literal millennial kingdom on this earth "Wrong"

Scripture dosent contradict itself, it's David that continues to reject God's words of truth presented again and again, that shows Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth to follow

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

All those scriptures conform to Revelation = and they do!

Now all you need to do is the same.

Believe JESUS = "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God."

 

[Earburner]

Your Claims Are "False" Taking Away From The Scipture Seen Below "Beware"!

There is a "Future Literal" New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, As Seen Below

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

YES!! And it's ALL about the saints being glorified in the LIKENESS of Jesus' immortality. For 2023 years Jesus has been WITH His Father, without a literal new global earth.

When Jesus Returns in all His Glory, He is going to do what?
He is going to take us, so that WHERE He is, there we may be also!!
Why?
He and His Father, together as One, are the NEW Heaven, and we are the NEW EARTH, WHEREIN dwelleth righteousness, being that of God Himself through Jesus.

Lest you forget, Jesus Himself also BECAME a NEW creature, but is exhonerated above us all, being the least of all, the Greatest of God's servants. He Himself, through the veil of His immortal flesh, is for the Father's, sake as well as for our sake, and therefore He is our NEW heaven. For no man shall see God at anytime. But for Jesus, who is the express lmage of God the Father, we SHALL see Him as He is. "He who has seen me, has seen the Father".

 

[Timtofly]

I hope you realize that this is talking about bodily resurrections unto bodily immortality. Agree? Paul indicated that Christ's resurrection was the first. Next in order are those who belong to Him at His second coming.

Except it is not talking about just a physical resurrection. That is a misleading interpretation.

You even argued that in Revelation 20:4-6.

Certainly being made alive is both physical and spiritual, as Adam was both physically dead and spiritually dead. You seem to keep putting the resuscitation of dead flesh, as an absolute resurrection. Putting on immortality has nothing to do with the physical, but with the spiritual. We become a son of God in the image of God when we put on the spirit at the Second Coming. That is being glorified.

One can have a permanent physical body and never physically die, but are not glorified. That is the first resurrection. God points out that once He gives you a permanent incorruptible physical body, He is not then going to sentence you to the second death in the LOF. That is why Amil conflate the spiritual birth which does the same thing, but is not the same thing.

Those in the OT did not experience the spiritual birth, which was reserved for the church after the Cross. Their soul was not in torment, but neither in Paradise. They were waiting for a physical last day resurrection at the Cross. That is when Paradise was physically opened for Adam's redeemed offspring. That is why the church was given Pentecost. It was a physical sign of being born from above the second birth, which Nicodemus was completely unaware of even though he knew the OT Scriptures.

We are given the second birth, but not the first resurrection until the soul leaves Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Those in Paradise already have the first resurrection: 2 Corinthians 5:1. They don't need the Holy Spirit dwelling in them in Paradise. They have already passed the day of redemption just by being in Paradise.

We have the Holy Spirit as ernest until the soul enters Paradise.