No More Death

[rwb]

"Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?"

Where have I said there is not resurrection of the dead?

Instead of quoting isolated verses out of context, what does this verse mean in context?

1 Corinthians 15:13-20 (KJV) But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Those whom Paul is addressing, saying there is no resurrection from the dead, apparently did not believe Christ was risen. If that were true than those who had already fallen asleep (died) in Christ have perished. But they have not perished because NOW since Christ has risen from the dead, He is the firstfruits of them that already died.

How does Christ's being the first resurrection from the dead make Him the firstfruits of those who have already physically died?

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 (KJV) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The dead in Christ have not perished, though all of humanity, being in Adam die, in Christ they are made alive. There is an order Christ the firstfruits of the dead (the first resurrection) afterward those of faith that are His at His coming. Those who die in Christ, Paul tells us will be resurrected to physical life when Christ returns. That will not be before the last enemy, that is death is destroyed.

Is Paul saying those who die in Christ are without life until they are physically resurrected from the graves? If he is then why would Christ repeatedly tell His faithful saints that death of our physical body cannot take the eternal life we have in Him? Eternal life means unending, perpetual etc. If Paul is telling us believers who die in Christ shall not live again until Christ come again, he is contradicting Christ and the promise He gives us. Contradiction of Scripture is the hallmark of error!

1 Corinthians 15:27-30 (KJV) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

Paul makes an interesting argument here. Paul asks why are we baptized for the dead (in the name of Christ) if the dead rise not at all? It makes no sense for us to be baptized into Christ, who is dead, if He is not risen. Paul questions why he would put his life at risk, proclaiming Christ if Christ is not NOW alive.

1 Corinthians 15:31-34 (KJV) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Paul rejoices in Christ, willing to daily give up his life because Christ has NOW risen. There would be no advantage for Paul fighting the good fight of faith if Christ has not risen from the dead. We may as well eat, drink and be merry for this life is all we have, for tomorrow we die and are no more. Paul admonishes us to awake to righteousness, because some will sin because they have not knowledge of God.

1 Corinthians 15:35-38 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Paul now shows us just how the dead in Christ shall be raised up, showing them the two stage process of eternal life in Christ, the first resurrection from the dead. Some want to know how the dead shall be raised. If the body is dead what body will we be raised in? Paul says the body MUST die, but what is quickened (made alive) is not the same body that shall be raised. God will provide a body that pleases Him and to every seed his own body. What does Paul mean by "every seed his own body"?

1 Corinthians 15:39-41 (KJV) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

To explain, Paul says that all flesh differs from men, beasts, fishes and birds. Also that there are celestial (heavenly/spiritual) bodies, and terrestrial (earthly/fleshly) but the glory of the celestial (heavenly/spiritual) is one and the glory of the terrestrial (earthly/fleshly) another. One glory of sun, another of moon and star from star differs in glory. All this detail that we might understand the difference between the body of flesh (earthly/of Adam) and the body of Christ (heavenly/spiritual of heaven). When mankind dies he dies being of the natural seed of Adam, earthly of mortal flesh & blood, or he dies being of the Seed of Christ, spiritual, heavenly. This is important information from Paul because every human spirit returns to God when our body dies (Ecc. 12:7).

Continued in the next reply

 

[David in NJ]

Where have I said there is not resurrection of the dead?

Instead of quoting isolated verses out of context, what does this verse mean in context?

1 Corinthians 15:13-20 (KJV) But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Those whom Paul is addressing, saying there is no resurrection from the dead, apparently did not believe Christ was risen. If that were true than those who had already fallen asleep (died) in Christ have perished. But they have not perished because NOW since Christ has risen from the dead, He is the firstfruits of them that already died.

How does Christ's being the first resurrection from the dead make Him the firstfruits of those who have already physically died?

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 (KJV) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The dead in Christ have not perished, though all of humanity, being in Adam die, in Christ they are made alive. There is an order Christ the firstfruits of the dead (the first resurrection) afterward those of faith that are His at His coming. Those who die in Christ, Paul tells us will be resurrected to physical life when Christ returns. That will not be before the last enemy, that is death is destroyed.

Is Paul saying those who die in Christ are without life until they are physically resurrected from the graves? If he is then why would Christ repeatedly tell His faithful saints that death of our physical body cannot take the eternal life we have in Him? Eternal life means unending, perpetual etc. If Paul is telling us believers who die in Christ shall not live again until Christ come again, he is contradicting Christ and the promise He gives us. Contradiction of Scripture is the hallmark of error!

1 Corinthians 15:27-30 (KJV) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

Paul makes an interesting argument here. Paul asks why are we baptized for the dead (in the name of Christ) if the dead rise not at all? It makes no sense for us to be baptized into Christ, who is dead, if He is not risen. Paul questions why he would put his life at risk, proclaiming Christ if Christ is not NOW alive.

1 Corinthians 15:31-34 (KJV) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Paul rejoices in Christ, willing to daily give up his life because Christ has NOW risen. There would be no advantage for Paul fighting the good fight of faith if Christ has not risen from the dead. We may as well eat, drink and be merry for this life is all we have, for tomorrow we die and are no more. Paul admonishes us to awake to righteousness, because some will sin because they have not knowledge of God.

1 Corinthians 15:35-38 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Paul now shows us just how the dead in Christ shall be raised up, showing them the two stage process of eternal life in Christ, the first resurrection from the dead. Some want to know how the dead shall be raised. If the body is dead what body will we be raised in? Paul says the body MUST die, but what is quickened (made alive) is not the same body that shall be raised. God will provide a body that pleases Him and to every seed his own body. What does Paul mean by "every seed his own body"?

1 Corinthians 15:39-41 (KJV) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

To explain, Paul says that all flesh differs from men, beasts, fishes and birds. Also that there are celestial (heavenly/spiritual) bodies, and terrestrial (earthly/fleshly) but the glory of the celestial (heavenly/spiritual) is one and the glory of the terrestrial (earthly/fleshly) another. One glory of sun, another of moon and star from star differs in glory. All this detail that we might understand the difference between the body of flesh (earthly/of Adam) and the body of Christ (heavenly/spiritual of heaven). When mankind dies he dies being of the natural seed of Adam, earthly of mortal flesh & blood, or he dies being of the Seed of Christ, spiritual, heavenly. This is important information from Paul because every human spirit returns to God when our body dies (Ecc. 12:7).

Continued in the next reply

Why do you keep going in circles?

Are you able to acknowledge from Scripture the following:
the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ" = dead bodies in the earth/ 1 Thess ch4 , 1 Cor ch15 ,Rev 20:4-6

 

[rwb]

1 Corinthians 15:42-50 (KJV) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Paul continues saying "so also", which is continuation from vs 49. Just as one star differs from another in glory, so also the resurrection of the dead. The human body that dies in Christ returns to dust, and when Christ comes again, will be raised incorruptible, sown in dishonor, raised in glory, sown in weakness, raised in power. (Note: the natural human body shall be raised IN power not WITH power) Then Paul tells us the natural body sown is not raised a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. The physical body raised from the grave when Christ comes again does not become a spiritual body. At the moment the natural body dies in Christ is raised a spiritual body. The spirit given every man from God returns to Him when the natural body dies. In Christ the spirit in man returns to God ALIVE through His Spirit in them. Without possession of the Holy Spirit in man at death, the spirit of man returns to God without life.

The reason Paul gives for this transformation from physical bodies to spiritual bodies is because the first man, Adam, of the earth gives all humanity physical life in the flesh, only but the second man, the Lord from heaven is the quickening spirit. Since our flesh and blood body shall not be resurrected immortal and incorruptible until Christ returns, man cannot inherit the Kingdom of God in heaven unless he is changed from natural/physical body to supernatural, eternal spiritual body, where we shall be the image of Christ, heavenly, celestial, spirits, as are the angels in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Finally, when our natural body too is resurrected from the graves when the last trump sounds, all who physically died in Christ, will be reunited with our living spirit that shall return with Christ (1Th 4:14), to give our new immortal & incorruptible bodies life fit to inhabit the new earth.

 

[David in NJ]

1 Corinthians 15:42-50 (KJV) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Paul continues saying "so also", which is continuation from vs 49. Just as one star differs from another in glory, so also the resurrection of the dead. The human body that dies in Christ returns to dust, and when Christ comes again, will be raised incorruptible, sown in dishonor, raised in glory, sown in weakness, raised in power. (Note: the natural human body shall be raised IN power not WITH power) Then Paul tells us the natural body sown is not raised a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. The physical body raised from the grave when Christ comes again does not become a spiritual body. At the moment the natural body dies in Christ is raised a spiritual body. The spirit given every man from God returns to Him when the natural body dies. In Christ the spirit in man returns to God ALIVE through His Spirit in them. Without possession of the Holy Spirit in man at death, the spirit of man returns to God without life.

The reason Paul gives for this transformation from physical bodies to spiritual bodies is because the first man, Adam, of the earth gives all humanity physical life in the flesh, only but the second man, the Lord from heaven is the quickening spirit. Since our flesh and blood body shall not be resurrected immortal and incorruptible until Christ returns, man cannot inherit the Kingdom of God in heaven unless he is changed from natural/physical body to supernatural, eternal spiritual body, where we shall be the image of Christ, heavenly, celestial, spirits, as are the angels in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Finally, when our natural body too is resurrected from the graves when the last trump sounds, all who physically died in Christ, will be reunited with our living spirit that shall return with Christ (1Th 4:14), to give our new immortal & incorruptible bodies life fit to inhabit the new earth.

Are you able to acknowledge from Scripture the following:
the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ" = dead bodies in the earth = 1 Thess ch4 = 1 Cor ch15 = Rev 20:4-6

YES or NO

 

[rwb]

Why do you keep going in circles?

Are you able to acknowledge from Scripture the following:
the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ" = dead bodies in the earth/ 1 Thess ch4 , 1 Cor ch15 ,Rev 20:4-6

Why don't you post the Scripture you believe supports your doctrine, and explain how it supports what you allege?

What about those who were dead in trespasses and sins who have been made alive in Him? How do you define the new birth? If it is not spiritual resurrection from spiritual death what is it? Are we not DEAD IN CHRIST SPIRITUALLY when we believe through His Spirit in us?

 

[rwb]

Are you able to acknowledge from Scripture the following:
the First Resurrection of "the dead in Christ" = dead bodies in the earth = 1 Thess ch4 = 1 Cor ch15 = Rev 20:4-6

YES or NO

NO!!! The first resurrection is spiritual NOT physical! You know this and deny this from the same lips.

 

[rwb]

No.

The verse says the works of earth. Humans are not the works of earth. People survive tremendous forest fires all the time. Yes homes and property are all burned up, but life goes on.

The only humans consumed by fire is after the 1,000 years. That time only humans are burned up, not any part of creation. You have no verse that states both happen at the same time.

All the works of the earth shall be utterly burned up, but the humans who do the works shall be spared? Life goes on when NOTHING is left to sustain life after all is burned up? Your doctrine appears to be from a book of your own creation!

The same time the day the Lord comes again, not only will there be nothing left of the earth that now is, nevertheless, according to His promise there will be new heavens and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness!

2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok, by pasting your scripture choice above, do you see anything that resembles anything of a NEW heaven or a NEW earth, that might be of your imagination? You wouldn't be looking for something similar to what is now, would you? No fault to you, but most people do!! It's the ONLY knowledge that we KNOW OF, myself included.

Q1. In all of God's Eternity, in the deepest desire of His Being, WHERE does God seek to dwell and live, even at the expense of giving up His only begotten Son, "who was brought forth from Everlasting" being Spirit, but then made to be flesh forever, as being like that of us, but now Immortal, being both Spirit and Immortal.

Q2. Since God Himself is the most treasurable treasure in His Eternity, that a person could ever ASK for, then I must ask symbolically: "what's in your wallet"?

If you are thinking that a new earth is going to be a global ball again, and a new heaven is only going to be similar to what the existing Universe is today, then you really are not thinking about WHAT the longsuffering of God's love for us is all about.

Here is the answer to both questions:
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
(That is to say: "through the veil of His flesh".
Heb.10:20.)
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] in earthen vessels [our bodies of mortal flesh], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

When you have time, study the word "treasure" in the KJV- NT. Here is one to get you started:
Luke 12
[34] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

DOES the Spirit of God, who dwells in Jesus, LIVE within you? If so, and Him being the treasure of your heart, what else is there to look for, but God the Father IN the Son, Who as One DWELLS IN US?
The Greatest Commandment of God will be fulfilled!!

Below scripture identifies New Jerusalem as a city with foundtation, walls, and gates, and God dwelling with the righteous saved. You aren't going to remove that seen below with a symbolic metaphor stating it represents God dwelling within man "Beware"!

Your Claims Are "False" Taking Away From The Scipture Seen Below "Beware"!

There is a "Future Literal" New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, As Seen Below

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Truth7t7]

All those scriptures conform to Revelation = and they do!

Now all you need to do is the same.

Believe JESUS = "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God."

Non-Response in personal opinion not found in scripture

You deny the fact Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Scripture dosent contradict itself, it's David that continues to reject God's words of truth presented again and again, that shows Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth to follow

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[David in NJ]

Non-Response in personal opinion not found in scripture

You deny the fact Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Scripture dosent contradict itself, it's David that continues to reject God's words of truth presented again and again, that shows Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth to follow

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

You just keep running in circles around your "personal choice of scripture" !!!

 

[Truth7t7]

You just keep running in circles around your "personal choice of scripture" !!!

Dave keeps denying the biblical fact, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) no Millennial Kingdom on this earth will follow as claimed

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[David in NJ]

Dave keeps denying the biblical fact, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) no Millennial Kingdom on this earth will follow as claimed

Jesus Is The Lord

i have not denied a single passage of Holy Scripture

You guys keep running in circles on personal choice scriptures instead of embracing all of Genesis thru Revelation.

 

[Truth7t7]

i have not denied a single passage of Holy Scripture

You guys keep running in circles on personal choice scriptures instead of embracing all of Genesis thru Revelation.

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengenance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[David in NJ]

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengenance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Does Revelation speak Truth as much as all the other Scripture?

What does God require of us when we read His words?

 

[David in NJ]

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of 2 Thessalonians 2 NKJVsin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Truth7t7]

Does Revelation speak Truth as much as all the other Scripture?

What does God require of us when we read His words?

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengenance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[David in NJ]

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengenance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

You sound like the Sanhedrin that Stephen had to face and rebuke.

Does Revelation, especially chapter 20, have Final Authority/CHRISTS Own Words, to clarify and define what HE said previously?

If NOT, what is your claim to say otherwise?

ALERT ALERT - 2 Thessalonians ch1

All this is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment. And so you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. After all, it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

 

[Truth7t7]

You sound like the Sanhedrin that Stephen had to face and rebuke.

Does Revelation, especially chapter 20, have Final Authority/CHRISTS Own Words, to clarify and define what HE said previously?

If NOT, what is your claim to say otherwise?

ALERT ALERT - 2 Thessalonians ch1

All this is clear evidence of God’s righteous judgment. And so you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. After all, it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are oppressed and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengenance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[David in NJ]

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengenance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

It is sad watching you run in circles around selective scripture.

Better to grow in the Lord and His Truth to avoid being stunted.

 

[Truth7t7]

It is sad watching you run in circles around selective scripture.

Better to grow in the Lord and His Truth to avoid being stunted.

Once Again:

Dave does Jesus Christ return in fire, destruction, and vengeance, as seen below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;