23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[covenantee]

Perhaps you need to understand Preterism and it's definition, 70AD fulfillment seen in Matthew Chapter 24 is 100% Preterism

If preterism is seen in Matthew 24, then Luis Alcazar, the father of preterism, must have had something to say about Matthew 24.

What did Luis Alcazar say about Matthew 24?

Source, date, and verbatim quotes, please.

 

[covenantee]

The orthodox early church fathers after 70AD, Justin Martyr, Iranaeus, Hippolytus, Tertullian, Victorinus, taught of a literal human man to be (The Little Horn/Man Of Sin/The Beast) they taught of a future AOD and Great Tribulation from their 2nd, 3rd, 4th century lives

All the above of which Reformed Preterist Eschatology denies, this Is a Farse In False Teachings

1.) Daniel's AOD is future

2.) The Great Tribulation is future

3.) (The Little Horn/Man Of Sin/The Beast) will be a future literal human man

Didache (AD 100) "then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, (Didache - Chapter 16)

Justin Martyr (AD 100-168) "O unreasoning men! understanding not what has been proved by all these passages, that two advents of Christ have been announced: the one, in which He is set forth as suffering, inglorious, dishonoured, and crucified; but the other, in which He shall come from heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians (First Apology of Justin, Chapter 110)

Irenaeus (AD 140-202) "he who is to come shall slay three, and subject the remainder to his power, and that he shall be himself the eighth among them. And they shall lay Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the Church to flight. After that they shall be destroyed by the coming of our Lord." (Against Heresies V, XXVI, 1)

Tertullian (AD 150-220) "that the city of fornication may receive from the ten kings its deserved doom, Revelation xviii and that the beast Antichrist with his false prophet may wage war on the Church of God; (On the Resurrection of the Flesh, Chapter 25)

Victorinus (AD 269-271) "He shall cause also that a golden image of Antichrist shall be placed in the temple at Jerusalem, and that the apostate angel should enter, and thence utter voices and oracles... The Lord, admonishing His churches concerning the last times and their dangers, ... three years and six months, in which with all his power the devil will avenge himself under Antichrist against the Church." (Commentary on the Apocalypse, 20:1-3)

By the time of the Reformation, there was not a single futurist to be found in the ranks of the Reformers.

They recognized the apostate papacy as the prevailing antichrist of their time, against whom God had summoned them into spiritual battle.

If the church fathers had survived to the time of the Reformation, they would have demonstrated the same recognition.

Every one of them would have been a Reformer.

Justin Martyr encapsulates the eventual reality well: "the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians"

That precisely describes the apostate papacy.

 

[Truth7t7]

I know what Preterism believes. However historical record affirms Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed then whether Preterits believe it or not. So continually calling/comparing Reformed Doctrine to Preterism is fundamentally untrue.

Reformed eschatology is preterist, a true statement that I will continue to use

 

[Truth7t7]

If preterism is seen in Matthew 24, then Luis Alcazar, the father of preterism, must have had something to say about Matthew 24.

What did Luis Alcazar say about Matthew 24?

Source, date, and verbatim quotes, please.

Wikipedia: Preterism
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is 'past' or 'beyond'.[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet Discourse had come to pass by AD 70.

Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi, published during the Counter-Reformation.[2]

 

[covenantee]

Wikipedia: Preterism
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is 'past' or 'beyond'.[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet Discourse had come to pass by AD 70.

Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi, published during the Counter-Reformation.[2]

You didn't answer the question.

What did Luis Alcazar say about Matthew 24?

I'll answer it for you.

Alcazar said nothing about Matthew 24. His fabrications, like those of your apostate futurist hero Francisco Ribera, were based entirely on Revelation.

Your claims are demonstrably false.

 

[Truth7t7]

You didn't answer the question.

What did Luis Alcazar say about Matthew 24?

I'll answer it for you.

Alcazar said nothing about Matthew 24. His fabrications, like those of your apostate futurist hero Francisco Ribera, were based entirely on Revelation.

Your claims are demonstrably false.

Preterism is based upon the interpretation of Matthew chapter 24 in the Olivet discourse, Jesuit Catholic (Luis De Alcasar) Is The Father Of Preterism

Reformed Preterist Eschatology, Falsely Teaches Daniel's AOD & The Great Tribulation have been fulfilled, with 70AD Jerusalem being the focal point of this

Wikipedia: Preterism
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is 'past' or 'beyond'.[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet Discourse had come to pass by AD 70.

Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi, published during the Counter-Reformation.[2]

 

[covenantee]

Preterism is based upon the interpretation of Matthew chapter 24 in the Olivet discourse, Jesuit Catholic (Luis De Alcasar) Is The Father Of Preterism

Reformed Preterist Eschatology, Falsely Teaches Daniel's AOD & The Great Tribulation have been fulfilled, with 70AD Jerusalem being the focal point of this

Wikipedia: Preterism
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is 'past' or 'beyond'.[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet Discourse had come to pass by AD 70.

Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi, published during the Counter-Reformation.[2]

Thanks for confirming your fallacies.

And don't forget your 490 delirious days.

 

[rwb]

Reformed eschatology is preterist, a true statement that I will continue to use

Well, I'm not surprised. Since you can't biblically refute, you resort to smear tactics, it's really very common here. You disparage a doctrine you clearly don't really understand.

 

[Truth7t7]

You didn't answer the question.

What did Luis Alcazar say about Matthew 24?

I'll answer it for you.

Alcazar said nothing about Matthew 24. His fabrications, like those of your apostate futurist hero Francisco Ribera, were based entirely on Revelation.

Your claims are demonstrably false.

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is a future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well, I'm not surprised. Since you can't biblically refute, you resort to smear tactics, it's really very common here. You disparage a doctrine you clearly don't really understand.

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is a future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[covenantee]

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

What does that have to do with Matthew 24?

 

[Truth7t7]

What does that have to do with Matthew 24?

Once Again:

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is a future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[covenantee]

Once Again:

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is a future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

I am undecided regarding its fulfillment.

Once Again:

What does that have to do with Matthew 24?

 

[Truth7t7]

I am undecided regarding its fulfillment.

Once Again:

What does that have to do with Matthew 24?

James 1:8KJV
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Once Again:

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is a future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am undecided regarding its fulfillment.

Once Again:

What does that have to do with Matthew 24?

Do you believe Leading Reformed Theologian (Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr) below regarding Revelation 11:2?

Gentry below teaches Revelation 11:2 was fulfilled in 67-70AD Jerusalem, and is a parallel reading of Luke 21:24, do you believe this?

The Temple In Revelation 11

(2) Revelation 11:1, 2, written by the beloved disciple and hearer of Christ, seems clearly to draw upon Jesus’ statement from the Olivet Discourse. In Luke 21:5-7, the disciples specifically point to the Herodian Temple to inquire of its future; in Revelation 11:1 John specifically speaks of the Temple of God. In Luke 21:6 Jesus tells his disciples that the Temple will soon be destroyed stone by stone. A comparison of Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2 strongly suggests that the source of Revelation’s statement is Christ’s word in Luke 21.

• Luke 21:24b: “Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

• Revelation 11:2b: “it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months.”

The two passages speak of the same unique event and even employ virtually identical terms.

(3) According to Revelation 11:2 Jerusalem and the Temple were to be under assault for a period of forty-two months. We know from history that the Jewish War with Rome was formally engaged in Spring, A.D. 67, and was won with the collapse of the Temple in August, A.D. 70. This is a period of forty-two months, which fits the precise measurement of John’s prophecy. Thus, John’s prophecy antedates the outbreak of the Jewish War.

 

[Truth7t7]

@covenantee
Crickets

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

James 1:8KJV
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Once Again:

Do you believe Revelation 11:2 below is a future event or has this been fulfilled?

If fulfilled, when and where did this fulfillment take place?

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

I answered your question.

Your turn to answer mine.

What does it have to do with Matthew 24?

 

[Truth7t7]

I answered your question.

Your turn to answer mine.

What does it have to do with Matthew 24?

"Your Question Is Answered", Luke Chapter 21 & Matthew Chapter 24 Are Parallel Readings Of The Same Events, Do You Believe Gentry's Teaching Below Regarding Luke 21:24 & Revelation 11:2?

Do you believe Leading Reformed Theologian (Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr) below regarding Revelation 11:2?

Gentry below teaches Revelation 11:2 was fulfilled in 67-70AD Jerusalem, and is a parallel reading of Luke 21:24, do you believe this?

The Temple In Revelation 11

(2) Revelation 11:1, 2, written by the beloved disciple and hearer of Christ, seems clearly to draw upon Jesus’ statement from the Olivet Discourse. In Luke 21:5-7, the disciples specifically point to the Herodian Temple to inquire of its future; in Revelation 11:1 John specifically speaks of the Temple of God. In Luke 21:6 Jesus tells his disciples that the Temple will soon be destroyed stone by stone. A comparison of Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2 strongly suggests that the source of Revelation’s statement is Christ’s word in Luke 21.

• Luke 21:24b: “Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

• Revelation 11:2b: “it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months.”

The two passages speak of the same unique event and even employ virtually identical terms.

(3) According to Revelation 11:2 Jerusalem and the Temple were to be under assault for a period of forty-two months. We know from history that the Jewish War with Rome was formally engaged in Spring, A.D. 67, and was won with the collapse of the Temple in August, A.D. 70. This is a period of forty-two months, which fits the precise measurement of John’s prophecy. Thus, John’s prophecy antedates the outbreak of the Jewish War.

 

[Always Believing]

God is the Potter, all vessels are created by him

Romans 9:21KJV
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

A fair attempt, but not true. God is never spoken of as the Potter for all flesh on earth.

You also take it out of context, which is God's shaping and choosing among His own people, such as between Jacob and Esau.


But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.


O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

All prophecies of the Lord as the potter, is always over His own people Israel, and the potter is making His people better, by first breaking down, and then building up again.

The wicked nations were never handled by God as the potter over the clay, but as the Lord over the wicked.

In Romans 2 also, the context is of God's choosing among His people, such as Jacob and Esau.

All nations remain alive after the wicked are dead, are now the Lord's people and citizens of His millennial kingdom on earth, and He will rule them all as their Potter for their good.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

The same as He once did for the good of the nation of Israel. All nations on earth will be Israel to the King, whether to praise and honor, or to punish with rod of iron.

 

[Truth7t7]

All nations remain alive after the wicked are dead, are now the Lord's people and citizens of His millennial kingdom on earth, and He will rule them all as their Potter for their good.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.