Jesus returns, Jesus judges, the good inherit the earth, and the bad are sent to Hell "age-during"

[Timtofly]

Thar type of torture and anguish seems contrary to the nature of God. That sounds more like Satan.

Well it says that Jesus separated the sheep and goats, not Satan.

"When the Son of man (Jesus) shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

This is God deciding where the sheep and goats end up.

 

[Patrick1966]

Well it says that Jesus separated the sheep and goats, not Satan.

"When the Son of man (Jesus) shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

This is God deciding where the sheep and goats end up.

Here is the correct translation.

Matthew 25:46
Young's Literal Translation
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

 

[Bobgf]

Question. Since the bad people are sent to Hell for the remainder of the age mentioned in Matthew 25, why then would they later be resurrected only to be damned again?

Matthew 25:31-46 YLT

Matthew 25:31-46​

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Young's Literal Translation​

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31 `And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory;
32 and gathered together before him shall be all the nations, and he shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats,
33 and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left.
34 `Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
35 for I did hunger, and ye gave me to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye received me;
36 naked, and ye put around me; I was infirm, and ye looked after me; in prison I was, and ye came unto me.
37 `Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, and we nourished? or thirsting, and we gave to drink?
38 and when did we see thee a stranger, and we received? or naked, and we put around?
39 and when did we see thee infirm, or in prison, and we came unto thee?
40 `And the king answering, shall say to them, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] to one of these my brethren -- the least -- to me ye did [it].
41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
42 for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink;
43 a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me.
44 `Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?
45 `Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of these, the least, ye did [it] not to me.
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

How will salvation come to the world?

By the servants of the LORD, Isaiah ch 49.

It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”


Job also has something to say about this, Job 33:28-30

God has delivered me from going down to the pit,
and I shall live to enjoy the light of life.
God does all these things to a person —
twice, even three times—
to turn them back from the pit,
that the light of life may shine on them.


BTW the REV Bible, Matthew 25, REV Bible and Commentary
translates Matthew 25:46 with "age to come" vs "age-during"

And these will go away into punishment in the age to come,
but the righteous into life in the age to come.”


Bob..

 

[Patrick1966]

BTW the REV Bible, Matthew 25, REV Bible and Commentary
translates Matthew 25:46 with "age to come" vs "age-during"

And these will go away into punishment in the age to come,
but the righteous into life in the age to come.”

Thank you.

The Concordant translates..."46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian"

 

[Patrick1966]

Eons [Ages] & Eonian [Age-Lasting]

find-truth.com

Good explanation of the Greek word eonian.

 

[Jay Ross]

Here is the correct translation.

Matthew 25:46
Young's Literal Translation
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

Sadly, that is just your opinion that the YLT is correct in its translation. The Greek does say something completely different.

Where G:0166 above has the following meaning: -

 

[Patrick1966]

Eons [Ages] & Eonian [Age-Lasting]

find-truth.com

Good explanation of the Greek word eonian.

@Jay Ross

Did you read this explanation?

 

[ewq1938]

Here is the correct translation.

It's not the correct translation. It is a literal translation which is not intended to be a classic translation designed to best convey what was said.

There are far better and more accurate translations:

Matthew 25:46
(ASV) And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
(BBE) And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the upright into eternal life.
(Darby) And these shall go away into eternal punishment, and the righteous into life eternal.
(DRB) And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
(ESV) And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
(ESV+) And these will go away R11into eternal punishment, but the righteous R11into R12eternal life.”
(KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(KJV+) AndG2532 theseG3778 shall go awayG565 intoG1519 everlastingG166 punishment:G2851 butG1161 theG3588 righteousG1342 intoG1519 lifeG2222 eternal.G166
(KJVA) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(KJV-BRG) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(LITV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
(Murdock) And these will go into everlasting torment, and the righteous into everlasting life.
(WEB) These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
(WEBA) These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
(Weymouth) "And these shall go away into the Punishment of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life of the Ages."
(Williams) Then these will go away to everlasting punishment, but the upright to everlasting life."

 

[Patrick1966]

Sadly, that is just your opinion that the YLT is correct in its translation. The Greek does say something completely different.

Where G:0166 above has the following meaning: -

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It's not my opinion; it's God word. After all, if people go to Hell for eternity then 1 Timothy 4:10 is false, and I know that's not the case.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

 

[Patrick1966]

Eons [Ages] & Eonian [Age-Lasting]

find-truth.com

Good explanation of the Greek word eonian.

@ewq1938

 

[Jay Ross]

It's not my opinion; it's God word. After all, if people go to Hell for eternity then 1 Timothy 4:10 is false, and I know that's not the case.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

My understanding is that your UR understanding is based on false pretexts. 1 Tim 4:10 is true in that Jesus is the saviour for all people, but the verse then qualifies that, only those, who are believers, will be saved.

Here is the interlinear version of this verse: -




Here is what two commentaries tell us: -





From memory, Ezekiel 18 tells us who will "live" during Eternity and who will experience the Second Death during Eternity. That is to say who will be saved and who will not be saved. Perhaps you have not grasped that all people have the opportunity to repent and live a righteous in Christ, but it is our heart and its desires that will be judged to see if it is also righteous before Christ at the time of the GWTR judgement.

 

[Bobgf]

From memory, Ezekiel 18 tells us who will "live" during Eternity and who will experience the Second Death during Eternity. That is to say who will be saved and who will not be saved. Perhaps you have not grasped that all people have the opportunity to repent and live a righteous in Christ, but it is our heart and its desires that will be judged to see if it is also righteous before Christ at the time of the GWTR judgement.

When Jesus treads the wine press of the wicked (Rev 14:19), he will not destroy them all, some of the wicked will yet receive a blessing after they repent (Isa 65:8)

One third of the wicked will yet see a blessing of salvation after their punishment and repentance of their wicked deeds (Rev 9:18)

Isaiah 65:8
This is what the Lord says: “As when juice is still found in a cluster of grapes and people say, ‘Don’t destroy it, there is still a blessing in it,’ so will I do in behalf of my servants;
I will not destroy them all.

Revelation 9:18-20 abridged.
A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths...
The rest of mankind [ie 2/3rd] who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands...

they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.


Bob..

 

[Timtofly]

Here is the correct translation.

Matthew 25:46
Young's Literal Translation
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

That does not mean it is an ongoing phenomenon since Adam and Eve.

 

[Patrick1966]

That does not mean it is an ongoing phenomenon since Adam and Eve.

I'm not clear on what you're communicating but it is my belief that some may go to the Lake of Fire but it is only for a period of time, probably just until they have been restored so it's possible that a lost soul doesn't actually stay there for the entire age but just for a portion of it.

 

[Patrick1966]

1 Tim 4:10 is true in that Jesus is the saviour for all people, but the verse then qualifies that, only those, who are believers, will be saved.

It doesn't say that at all.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm not clear on what you're communicating but it is my belief that some may go to the Lake of Fire but it is only for a period of time

Based on what? I can't find one verse that speaks of people jumping out of the lake of fire.

 

[ewq1938]

It doesn't say that at all.

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The road to destruction is WIDE.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Not purification but destruction.

 

[Patrick1966]

Not purification but destruction.

I think Jesus was saying that we need to stay on his path because living as he tells us to live is a good way to live, both in this life and in the hereafter.

Rejecting his path and taking other paths leads to destruction in this life and in the life to come.

Yes, some souls may need to visit the Lake of Fire (Hell) but it will be for a period of time, not forever.

 

[ewq1938]

I think Jesus was saying that we need to stay on his path because living as he tells us to live is a good way to live, both in this life and in the hereafter.

Rejecting his path and taking other paths leads to destruction in this life and in the life to come.

Yes, some souls may need to visit the Lake of Fire (Hell) but it will be for a period of time, not forever.

Yet there is zero biblical support for that belief. It is Gnostic.

 

[Patrick1966]

Yet there is zero biblical support for that belief. It is Gnostic.

Yea, there is no biblical support that all will end up with God in the end, except for the plethora of verses that say exactly that.