What did Jesus die to save us from?
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Johann
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Johann
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You don't know Swahili, so what's the point? Anyway, I am selective with whom I'm dealing with, seeking to be edified and grow in Christ, I don't find it with you [edification]-but ekpeiradzo-in a negative connotation.
But telling HaEmes in ahavah, let us grow up in every respect unto Him who is the Rosh, Moshiach,
As new born olalim , desire the pure cholov ruchani , that by it you may grow into Yeshu'at Eloheynu,
But grow in the Chen v'Chesed and Da'as of Adoneinu and Moshieinu, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua. Lo HaKavod Gam HaYom V'Gam L'Yom HaOlam. Omein. (To him be glory both now and to the day of eternity. Omein.)
In case you are dumbfounded-OJB.
Amen and amen.
Have a good day.
J.
Johann
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The English term is derived from the Saxon spring festival Ēostre;[20] Easter is linked to the Jewish Passover by its name (Hebrew: פֶּסַח pesach, Aramaic: פָּסחָא pascha are the basis of the term Pascha), by its origin (according to the synoptic Gospels, both the crucifixion and the resurrection took place during the week of Passover)[21][22] and by much of its symbolism, as well as by its position in the calendar. In most European languages, both the Christian Easter and the Jewish Passover are called by the same name; and in the older English versions of the Bible, as well, the term Easter was used to translate Passover.[23]Most in the Textual Critic camp attack the King James Bible in Acts 12:4 because of the use of the word “Easter” instead of Passover.
Acts 12:4 (KJB)
“And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.”
Acts 12:4 (NIV)
”After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.”
So is it Passover or Easter?
Here are some snapshots (in the Kindle E-book) from the book called, “Don’t Passover Easter:”
The book also takes a look at the various Textus Receptus Bibles that came before the King James and it translates the word Passover (from the KJB) in other places as Easter at times.
The Kindle Version (E-Book) at amazon is like 3 US dollars. Really cheap, and it is worth the money spent for the information you get.
Side Note:
I will leave these images up until you see it, and I will later take them down. The book is a quick 20-25 minute read but it is jam packed with a lot of good information.
Basically the word “Easter” is a synonym (or just another word) for the “Jewish Passover.”
In other words, both translations in this case are correct. Easter means the Jewish Passover. It’s just another way of saying Jewish Passover.
Side Note 2:
I highlighted the important text in the book.
In Kindle Ebook reader, you can highlight the texts of E-books (Which is cool).
I hope this helps, and may God bless you and your family this fine day He has made.
Easter - Wikipedia
I'm not a fan of Wikipedia-but you can find good nuggets even there-
Shalom
J.
It's they who do not abide in Christ Jesus that bring everything upon themselves.
Some what like a moron behind the wheel of a car being a fool, all reap from such and the innocent cop it as well.
The Wrath comes on them because they brought it on themselves, because they have no regard or know no better.
It's like people believe that they can war against another with no regard ? they just listen to one side of the story and could not care less to be bothered with anything other.
One side is telling lies and the other side is telling lies as well ? but who copes it ? both of them in fact but who created it ? could be the same Mob on both sides ? as they sit back laughing their guts out about the simple mined fools, who know no better ! For they are of Satan and know not God !
They are of this world That Jesus pointed out was full of deceptions and delusions, So one who is worthy is like Nathaniel, as he was what Israel truly means in fact, he was worthy and what would he see ?
But what will one see who is of this world, Planet of the Apes that got so far advanced that they forgot the Key point, so they will lead themselves to destruction.
Even Russia has the power to wipe the USA off the face of the earth, so that not one tree would stand and not one building, but the people are so stupid that they do not understand the facts.
The Bombs are 500x the power of the weak rubbish that was dropped on Japan.
And we are now never been so close to such a threat, that the world has never been in before, The 1961 Cuba thing was made out to be such a big deal, but this threat now is much more, but no one has any regard now ? Why ! because people are that stupid !
I have people telling me that they want or are for taking on Russia, but what if I said to them, you better be carful in how the cards are played, because we are not dealing with 3rd rate backward rubbish War like WW2 was. you do not want to bring such on ! because you will be so sorry, that you were so ignorant ! for a reality check it sure as hell will be in fact. They still think we are in the 1960's !
Then look at Iran, they are going to get the Bomb ! well you know what is going to happen then don't you, the Jews are going to totally wipe them out ! No one could be so stupid to give Iran Nuclear weapons ! But Biden and Obama peddled for such ! Why because they are of Satan !
Looks like I may have overlooked quite a few replies on this thread. Including this gem.
If Jesus died to save us from God, that tells us a lot about what God is really like.
The conclusion is unacceptable to any rational being. Makes no sense.
Yet the church is shouting it from the rooftops. (sigh)
God is "Life and Love and Joy." (as noted)
Seems Jesus died to save us from the opposite. (death, hate, and hopelessness)
Exactly.
If Jesus died to save us from God, that tells us a lot about what God is really like.
The conclusion is unacceptable to any rational being. Makes no sense.
Yet the church is shouting it from the rooftops. (sigh)
Agree.
God is "Life and Love and Joy." (as noted)
Seems Jesus died to save us from the opposite. (death, hate, and hopelessness)
Great post, thanks.
God is in the business of reconciliation.
If you recall, which passages in Colossians and Philippians are you referring to?
Agreed.
God is in the business of reconciliation.
If you recall, which passages in Colossians and Philippians are you referring to?
Johann
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God is all love-of course He is-what about the "other-sidedness" of YHVH?
Do you view prison as punishment, or correction?
What is the purpose?
We could ask the same question about the afterlife.
Punishment, or correction?
Bob Estey
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To answer the question about the afterlife, we need to understand the afterlife, it seems to me.
As for going to prison, it keeps me off the streets so I don't rob another bank.
QuantumBit
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That should be the Doctrinal Statement of every Christian Church on the planet by now.
Johann
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God is all love-of course He is-what about the "other-sidedness" of YHVH?
Bob Estey
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quietthinker
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The choice before us is life or no life (death; that's what the word means) and it is connected to whom allegiance is paid.
If ultimately there is no death then what are we talking about when we use words like 'salvation, redemption, narrow path.
So let's eat drink and be merry ( I mean, what's wrong with that?) if ultimately death is an aberration.
Lambano
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One of my working theories is that the torments of Hades/Sheol described by Jesus in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is intended be rehabilitative. Sort of like Catholic Purgatory. God's final attempt to get our attention. Nothing like pain to drive a man to repentance - or deeper into resentment. For the hard-cases who will not repent, all that's left is the burning garbage pit of Gehenna at the final judgement at the End of the Age. Whether or not there will be hard-cases at the End of the Age is an open question.
(The Deceiver is apparently immortal and will be tormented "into an Age of Ages". I'll not waste any sympathy for the Devil. "Please allow me to introduce myself...")
Patrick1966
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