Cult founder confronts college Apologist… again
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It’s amazing that is all about agape love, and an individual relationship with loving God first and loving others. Amazing that there will be no end to this world ( though we could blow ourselves up ) that all people have the choice to make between themselves in God if they will have faith or not have faith.
For faith is the only thing that pleases God.
For faith is the only thing that pleases God.
Question and challenge, but love and allow the spirit to work in the life of other individuals. God is always calling, it’s up to the individual to decide tree of life, or tree of knowledge and good and evil.
What is your theology on these things?
Are you confused or wondering why?
Why the Bible? And can you use it as an authority to dictate who goes to heaven and who doesn’t, and did God give you that authority? Did you live in this period of time and do all these things apply to you directly considering the time?
Are you confused or wondering why?
Why the Bible? And can you use it as an authority to dictate who goes to heaven and who doesn’t, and did God give you that authority? Did you live in this period of time and do all these things apply to you directly considering the time?
Can you believe that it will ultimately be you and God meeting to be judge at the end of life one day?
Do you ever think and consider your own life in accordance to following the Lord Jesus Christ, and allowing him to live in and through you to love God first, and love your neighbor, as yourself, some of the most highly important commandments.
Do you ever think and consider your own life in accordance to following the Lord Jesus Christ, and allowing him to live in and through you to love God first, and love your neighbor, as yourself, some of the most highly important commandments.
Have you read what they believe?
From the sites faq:- on Judgementlink FAQ | cult
We suggest that judgement for sin, which is death, was paid in full by Christ, that the whole world died with Him vicariously, and that God poured His wrath on the Nation of Israel at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, where they were judge physically, and then spiritually before the Great White Throne of God. We submit to all people that no human being is judged and punished for sin any longer in the face of these facts of the past but instead all people are judged, so to speak, relative to how God will reward them for their good works.
This contradicts the biblical teaching that we will all be judged after death and that those who are not Christian will be punished.
From the sites faq:- on Judgementlink FAQ | cult
We suggest that judgement for sin, which is death, was paid in full by Christ, that the whole world died with Him vicariously, and that God poured His wrath on the Nation of Israel at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, where they were judge physically, and then spiritually before the Great White Throne of God. We submit to all people that no human being is judged and punished for sin any longer in the face of these facts of the past but instead all people are judged, so to speak, relative to how God will reward them for their good works.
This contradicts the biblical teaching that we will all be judged after death and that those who are not Christian will be punished.
Sure. And God is the judge. No one is forcing anyone to believe anything.
Sorry if you find it no conclusive to your own way of understanding or thinking.
I believe people are blank slates; some building up spiritual things in heaven and will be rewarded by God.
Those who do not seek for God are also judged and rewarded with a spiritual body as welll, and live outside the kingdom.
Just because the white throne judgment happen doesn’t mean that there still is not an individualistic judgment that occurs upon death.
I believe that God will reward those who are his who is the spiritual body of resurrection, which is of life, and those who are not a spiritual body of condemnation, just because the white throne judgment happen doesn’t mean that there still is not a individualistic judgment that occurs upon death.
I believe that God will reward those who are his who is the spiritual body of resurrection, which is of life, and those who are not are given a body of spiritual condemnation, who live outside the kingdom.
Above is simply what I believe no one has to believe it to be saved by God.
Sorry if you find it no conclusive to your own way of understanding or thinking.
I believe people are blank slates; some building up spiritual things in heaven and will be rewarded by God.
Those who do not seek for God are also judged and rewarded with a spiritual body as welll, and live outside the kingdom.
Just because the white throne judgment happen doesn’t mean that there still is not an individualistic judgment that occurs upon death.
I believe that God will reward those who are his who is the spiritual body of resurrection, which is of life, and those who are not a spiritual body of condemnation, just because the white throne judgment happen doesn’t mean that there still is not a individualistic judgment that occurs upon death.
I believe that God will reward those who are his who is the spiritual body of resurrection, which is of life, and those who are not are given a body of spiritual condemnation, who live outside the kingdom.
Above is simply what I believe no one has to believe it to be saved by God.
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Aunty Jane
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I agree with you here Matthew. We are all born with the inheritance of sin and how we succumb or fight this natural inclination, will determine our future. As children we are imprinted with our genetic traits, our home environment and the condition of our hearts. We see this in small children, traits that will follow them into adulthood, both good and bad.
We can learn a lot from the mistakes, as well as the beneficial things that parents did, in the Bible. Just because parents were good or evil, didn’t mean that their children would necessarily follow in their footsteps. We are all individuals.
I do not see any point to this. What does God do that is ever pointless or useless?
The rewards God gives are everlasting, but what he condemns comes to a finish. He has no need to keep anyone alive forever in a state of punishment that is everlasting. What would it accomplish?
That is true to a point. But we need to understand that there are two different resurrections which take place at two different time periods. The “first resurrection” takes place before the end of the present system of things because these are the ones who will rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom. (Rev 20:6)
These are his elect, specially chosen for a specific role...that of “kings and priests”. The kingdom will be fully operational, with all members present, when mankind are brought back to life. During the thousand year reign of Christ, mankind will be judged worthy of retaining their life...or not. The “second death” awaits those who fail.
These dead ones do not come back to life until Jesus and his angels have separated the “sheep from the goats” and dispatched the “goats” to the place reserved for the devil later on. (Matt 25:41)
The devil and his angels are confined to an abyss for the thousand years it will take to bring redeemed mankind back to life on earth, (not heaven) and to educate them in Jehovah’s ways. Only then will the devil be released “for a little while”. (Rev 20:1-3) This is the final test where “the great white throne of judgment” will determine who has remained faithful....and who has not.
These resurrected dead fall into two categories....”those who did good things” and “those who practiced vile things” (John 5:28-29)....so at the resurrection, both stand before their redeemer, and the ‘good’ are given their reward straight away, having proven faithful to death. Whereas the ones who did evil things because of never having heard of Jehovah and his Christ, (being born in parts of the world where he was never known), will have their opportunity. They are not judged adversely for what they did in ignorance.....that is fair, don’t you think?
No one will live “outside the Kingdom” then, like they do now, because there are only two choices....life in or under the kingdom (as part of the Kingdom or as one of its subjects).......or death, which is a complete elimination from life altogether. There is only “life or death” not “heaven or hell”....that is a satanic lie.
God’s first purpose for the human race must come to its completion. (Isa 55:11) He never designed humans to go to heaven....they were supposed to be mortal beings living forever on earth, and it will yet be so according to Rev 21:2-4...
“I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
With the “New Jerusalem” (the Kingdom pictured by Christ and his bride) bringing their rulership to the earth, “mankind” will enjoy God’s rulership for the first time....no tears, no mourning or pain and even death itself will be abolished because “the former things” (that caused all that suffering) will be “no more”.
This, Matthew, is “the good news of the Kingdom”....the restoration of God’s rulership over mankind...the elimination of sin, and a wonderful future for the faithful.
We have to believe the truth to be saved......sin is still in us, and as long as it is, we will have to fight ourselves to prevent it from leading us into actions that God condemns. If we know what leads to sin, we can avoid the very first step as James points out...
“When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.” (James 1:13-15)
So you see, serious sins can be avoided if we “nip them in the bud”...that is, we do not “entertain” bad thoughts so that they become bad action. To “entertain” something is “to welcome it and make it feel at home”......wrong thinking leads to wrong actions and attitudes. We have control over that.
God is loving but he does not love sinful practices....he gives all the opportunity to separate themselves from sinful actions through the sacrifice of his son, but he will NEVER forgive wilful disobedience with regard to his stated laws.....be they moral, physical or spiritual. His laws were there to remind the Israelites that he meant what he said. Penalties were not negotiable for wilful wrongdoing ......though God could forgive momentary lapses in judgment, if one was truly repentant. For example premeditated murder carried a different penalty to one that was the result of an angry outburst that resulted in a death that was not intentional. (e.g. shoving someone who then fell and hit their head resulting in their death)
We need to see the big picture to understand what it’s all about, otherwise we will get lost in the confusion that the devil deliberately creates.
What we lost in Eden (everlasting life in paradise on earth) is regained in Revelation, (where it is restored after mankind have proven worthy of the gift.) Everlasting life on earth was God’s original purpose for us, and Christ came so that we could regain it. It’s really not more complicated than that.
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Why raise them again in the first place.
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I don’t believe how you do so, idk what you expect me to say.
If you say so, that is not what is found in the Bible.
That will happen once you die here.
Yes to go and be with God in heaven.
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Love is what wins.
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To love God and love others hoping for an expectation of leaving this life into the heavenly realm for me personally. While doing Gods will here on earth.
You may not believe me but I’m glad Jesus has brought us back to the garden state which is a proving ground, that all people are part of. Choosing to do the will of God in faith or to do their own will.
You have a lot to share, many of it is from your personal perspective thank you for sharing, and carry on loving God and loving others.
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You still have to recognise and learn to use the " reply " tab in the bottom right of the posting forum.
I would have responder earlier.
This site believes what you don't believe.
I understand you to say that there will be judgement of everyone for good or ill.
They believe this judgement happened at calvary, there is no judgement for anyone.
That is why I quoted from there statement of faith.
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