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amigo de christo

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What shall we liken progressivism unto .
It is like a man that found a turd .
He then polishes the turd and calls it progressive chocolate .
But mark my words , a turd is still a turd no matter what you call the turd .
 

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The love for sin has abounded . Inquity has abounded and the love for the truth has grown cold in many .
This other love is what many now embrace . A love that honors all paths , a love that honors pronouns ,
a love that honors gay marriage . its a love that hollers judge not , all the while it attacks and condemns TRUTH
and those who bring Truth . A dark love which is of the world has entered in and established itself
even within the realm of christendom . Inquity has abounded and more and more
now even honor and embrace darkness and not Light . All the law and the prophets DO hang on those two commandments .
SO if any version of love GOD and love thy neighbor as thyself is overlooking sins , is accepting sins
or other paths , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD , FOR it trangresses the law . NO LOVE of GOD would trangress
rather IT WOULD FULLFILL .
a human love that embraces all faiths and that all faiths believe in the same god, all roads lead to heaven-ecumenicalism.
 
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Amen. And that is assuming we remain in Him, remain in His love and continue following/obeying Him the best we know how. He will do the work if we just keep following Him....because that is where He is leading us to.
Amen!...and sometimes we steer off his path....I don’t always find it easy remaining in the Lord..it’s that old man in us, that keeps trying to rear it’s ugly head.
 

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a human love that embraces all faiths and that all faiths believe in the same god, all roads lead to heaven-ecumenicalism.
A lie indeed . And who is the father of all lies . The dragon is . He has convinced
the peoples to worship him and the peoples do not realize this .
We cannot worship both man and God
We cannot worship both serpent and Christ .
Satan has always desired to be worshipped as God .
SO , through the flesh of men he creates a god that many do embrace . AND IT AINT GOD or they would have loved CHRIST
loved the truth . WHO we love is key to whose we are . FOR GOD is the ONE who sheds HIS LOVE upon our hearts .
If the love cometh of the world , that is enmity with God .
The dragon has not been sleeping , rather he has been busy working the mystery of inquity , of lawlessness ,
of anti Christ unto the world . TO gather all tribes , all religions , secular and non secular to worship HIM as ONE people
as ONE VOICE , as one mind . But the lambs do not heed his voice .
The lambs follow CHRIST JESUS and HE keeps us safe .
 

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Amen!...and sometimes we steer off his path....I don’t always find it easy remaining in the Lord..it’s that old man in us, that keeps trying to rear it’s ugly head.
Amen, it's a battle! And this war is necessary because it trains and teaches and threshes us....it's through much tribulation that we enter the kingdom of God.
 

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If one cannot even believe that one has to believe in Christ
how are they gonna hear you on other spiritual matters .
Sometimes we might forget who we are dealing with .
IF they cannot hear us on the matter of the one true gospel , they are still lost in their sin and walk in darkness
and know not where they go .
 

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Maybe it takes time for the Spirit to get them to this understanding,Brother.

I knew I was born again from day, that was all I knew...the rest I’ve learnt, was obviously from God’s word...
I believe everything is in his timing, even all the learning, what do you believe?
I believe we must be born again and given the spirit before we can understand some spiritual truths

if we are not born again, The things of God are foolishness to us. And we tend to believe in things which do not make sense.
 

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Progressive sanctification means to me....we are progressing in Christ, being made into his image, by the power that is within us...the Holy Spirit...is that right,EG?
Yes,

A process of being sanctified

Hebrews 10:14

For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

God began the good work. progressive sanctification is the process of him completing the good work he started

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;


A process of growing from a babe in Christ, to a child. to a young adult. to a mature adult.

We do not become super mature believers the moment we are born again, (even though some people think we do) it is not in scripture
 

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Amen!...and sometimes we steer off his path....I don’t always find it easy remaining in the Lord..it’s that old man in us, that keeps trying to rear it’s ugly head.
Paul had the same problem (romans 7) even the men of great faith in the OLD testament struggled after they were made Gods children.. (see abraham and David and all the sins they commited)
 
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Amen, it's a battle! And this war is necessary because it trains and teaches and threshes us....it's through much tribulation that we enter the kingdom of God.
the lord chastens those who are his.

as a person who has expereinced this painful act of love from God.. I can attest that it is true
 

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I believe we must be born again and given the spirit before we can understand some spiritual truths

if we are not born again, The things of God are foolishness to us. And we tend to believe in things which do not make sense.
The disciples did not understand the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus which is the gospel. They did not believe it until they physically saw Jesus Resurrected from the dead.

Matthew 16:8-11
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?


Mark 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mark 8:31-33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.

33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Luke 9:43-45
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

Jesus predicts His death a 3rd time

Luke 18:31-34

Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; 33 they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.”
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.


Luke 24:25-26

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?

John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 12:16
At first His disciples did not understand these things, but after Jesus was glorified they remembered what had been done to Him, and they realized that these very things had also been written about Him.

John 13
Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.”

Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

John 16:7
"It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send him unto you."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

hope this helps !!!
 
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the lord chastens those who are his.

as a person who has expereinced this painful act of love from God.. I can attest that it is true

Has the chastening corrected your sinning ways yet?

Because:

“In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction…” (Jeremiah 2:30)

“…This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.” (Jeremiah 7:28)
 
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Found this online, a very interesting read.

The opening greeting of Peter’s first epistle gives a clear example of the Trinitarian nature of our salvation. The “elect exiles” are saved according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, that they might be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled by his blood (1 Peter 1:2). We see here the Holy Spirit sanctifies in two ways. First, he sets us apart in Christ that we might be cleansed by his blood. Second, he works in us so we can be obedient to Jesus Christ. Through the sanctification of the Spirit we are given a new position and infused with a new power.

It’s the second element, the new power, that we usually think of when discussing “sanctification.” Though sanctification is positional too, as a theological term it usually refers to our progressive sanctification, the way in which God works in us for his good pleasure as we work out the life of salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12-13). Or as Romans 8:9-13 puts it, we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit (position); therefore, by the Spirit we ought to put to death the deed of the flesh (power).

Though we must make effort in our growth in godliness (2 Peter 1:5), the Spirit empowers through and through. The Bible is not a cheap infomercial telling us to change and then assuring our little ponytail hearts, “You can do it!” We have already been changed. We are already new creations in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17) and have a new strength at work in our inner being (Eph. 3:16), producing gospel fruit in us by the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). The Bible expects that because God dwells in us by the Spirit, we can, by that same Spirit, begin to share in the qualities that are characteristic of God himself (2 Peter 1:4). Of course there is still a fight within us. But with the Spirit there can be genuine progress and victory. The New Testament simply asks us to be who we are.

How exactly, then, does the Spirit empower us for growth in godliness? Well think again of the metaphor of light. The Holy Spirit, as we’ve seen, is a like a light shining into our dark places, exposing our sin and leading us to repentance. The Spirit is also a lamp to illumine God’s word, teaching what is true and revealing it as precious (1 Cor. 2:6-16). And, as we saw in John 16, the Spirit throws a spotlight on Christ so we can see his glory and beauty and be changed accordingly. This is the stunning argument Paul makes in 2 Corinthians 3:18, “And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.” Just as Moses had his face transformed when he saw the Lord’s glory on Mt. Sinai, so will we be transformed when we behold God’s glory in the face of Christ. Except we won’t just get a shiny tan face, we will grow more and more into the image of the one we see. We become what we behold.

My wife loves to watch figure skating (which wife doesn’t?). She loves the artistry and beauty of it. She also enjoys the puff pieces on the young women. I find them nauseating (the pieces not the women), but I have to admit it is pretty remarkable what the skaters can do. I imagine most of them grew up watching figure skating. They probably marveled at all the lay-back spins and double-axles and triple salchows (uh?). I’m sure many of them were mesmerized as little girls by Kristi Yamaguchi or Michelle Kwan. They probably thought, “I want to do that. That’s amazing! That’s incredible! How can I be like her?” Of course, it takes practice to be a world class figure skater, just like sanctification takes effort on our part. But the effort in both cases is inspired and motivated and modeled after glory. The sight of brilliance and majesty is transformative in and of itself.

That’s why when the Spirit is at work to sanctify us—by revealing sin, revealing truth, and revealing the glory of Christ—and we look the other way, it is a profound offense. The Bible refers to this as resisting (Acts 7:51), quenching (1 Thess. 5:19), or grieving the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:30). There may be slight nuances among the three terms, but they all speak of situations where we do not accept the Spirit’s work in our lives. When we reject what the word of God has to say to us, when we turn our eyes from the Spirit’s exposure to sin, when we say one thing as Christians and do another, we sin against the Spirit. But when we finally see clearly to acknowledge our sin, accept the truth, and adore Christ, then we can be sure the Spirit is at work within us to will and to do according to his good purpose and for God’s good pleasure.
 

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Sadly, in my searching I found this...perhaps I should answer you with your own words...


hmmm.... :(
You've been acting like you don't want to look at things, don't want to answer questions, an maybe it's possible you don't. I'm not telling you that you don't, that I know what's in you, but I'm not ignoring the point either.

"I don't expect you to . . ."

"Perhaps you don't want to . . ."

Are you being even? I doesn't look like it to me.

Much love!
 
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Don't you think His chastening is effective?

The way “Sinless Perfectionism” is hated soo much by many around here tells me that it isn’t effective with them.

They seem to fit the ones in this scripture:

“Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.” (Isaiah 1:5)

I often hear the cry “everyone sins everyday”. So chastening obviously is not effective with them.
 

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The way “Sinless Perfectionism” is hated soo much by many around here tells me that it isn’t effective with them.

They seem to fit the ones in this scripture:

“Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.” (Isaiah 1:5)

I often hear the cry “everyone sins everyday”. So chastening obviously is not effective with them.
Romans 6:1-2 it’s answered by Paul.
 

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Of course, it takes practice to be a world class figure skater, just like sanctification takes effort on our part. But the effort in both cases is inspired and motivated and modeled after glory. The sight of brilliance and majesty is transformative in and of itself.

This reminds me of,

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

I like these words, "inspired and motivated and modeled after glory".

As we see Him, we will be like Him, does this mean that seeing Him better now, knowing who He is more now, will that change us to be like Him now? To be completed then? I think so!

Ephesians 4:13 KJV
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

2 Corinthians 3:18 KJV
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass (a mirror) the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Much love!