Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[Johann]

"i can do all things Through Christ".

"seen" This emphasis began in Phil. 3:17. As Paul followed Christ, believers are to follow him.

"Practice these things" This is a PRESENT ACTIVE IMPERATIVE, "keep on practicing these things!" Do not be just hearers, but doers (cf. Luke 11:28; James 1:22). It is very similar to the Hebrew concept, Shema (cf. Deut. 5:1; 6:4; 9:1; 20:3; 27:9-10), which meant "to hear so as to do." Christianity must not be turned into a creed isolated from daily godly living.

So why don't you practice what you preach brother?

"strengthens" This is a PRESENT ACTIVE PARTICIPLE, "the one who continues to strengthen" (cf. Eph. 3:16; Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 4:17). Believers need to be strengthened by Christ. They also need to be strong (cf. 1 Cor. 16:13 Eph. 6:10; 2 Tim. 2:1). This is the paradoxical tension found so often in Scripture.

Christianity is a covenant; God initiates it and sets the conditions and privileges, but humans must respond and obey and continue! These believers were under internal and external pressure from false teachers and persecutors! As Paul was content in all circumstances, so must they be (and us, too).

You have a good day.

 

[Behold]

Brother-don't misrepresent me, you speak half truths, not the full aleithia/chochmah as written in Scriptures.

You'll never be able to prove that by Quoting me.
And that is why you just falsely accused me, and yet didnt use a quote of mine.
You know, even Episkopos, at least quotes me....before he lies.
You just lied and didn't quote me.
But you can call me "brother" while you slander me, and insinuate, what you can't quote.

That's interesting.

 

[Behold]

If I receive a new car as gift from someone special, and neglect that free gift by parking it outside with the doors unlocked, the theif will come along and steal my free gift from me. It was a gift, but I neglected it and lost it.

You can't earn salvation.

Salvation is not works based. Salvation is not "if you promise to do this, then God promises to save you".

Salvation is Christ on the Cross, delivering you to God, through His Blood and Death.

Is that you doing it?
Then never take credit for trying to keep what you didnt bleed and die to cause..

Here is something to ponder, 07-07-07.

When a person hears the Gospel, and they BELIEVE IT, and give God their FAITH in Christ...
He takes it, and based on their Faith, He gives them, Eternal Life, in Christ.

Now, did they bring their car polish (good works) to God, or did they just bring their SIN and their faith?


Also, "lost" is to be not born again.
That's what it means to be a "lost sinner".

If you are born again,..then this is a spiritual birth, that God performed by the Holy Spirit.
You didnt cause that...
And the thing about a birth, is that you can't end it, later., by bad behavior.
You can end your life, but you can't ever end being born.

Notice.......Your mother gave you birth.
If you killed her tomorrow, you are still born, still breathing.

God's Birth of the Spirit in a person, is not based on your behavior, nor is is kept by behavior.
Spiritual birth.... BORN AGAIN.....is caused by God, and this Spiritual BIRTH, remains, even if the person, isn't perfect later.
See, God didnt save us because we signed up to work hard, He saved us because = "Jesus came to save SINNERS".

 

[Johann]

I'm listening to this right now. One thing that concerns me is that he's talking about dialectic interpretation, which for me is a red flag. I'll need to hear where he goes with this.

Much love!

I think there are 3 parts to Romans 6 marks-thanks for listening.

Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation.

You are far more matured in Christ than me-but as with everything, eat the chicken, spit out the sticks. I have searched high and low for any critical reviews on him and found none brother.

The Lord is using uncle Bob for me to come to maturity in Christ, no more tossed to and fro between diverse doctrines, as I was, most of my life.

Shalom brother
Johann.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is Redemption from sin
Jesus is the Only Way to the Father. John 14:6
Jesus is The Resurrection
Jesus is Holiness
Jesus is Righteousness


If we are born again, then we have all that, because """""Christ is IN US< and we are In Christ".

And we aint born again IF one believes not on the CHRIST OF GOD .
Lets not follow the francis version of all inclusive . OH yeah i know what it teaches .
ITS A LIE FROM THE DRAGON TOO . Let us remember that well .
Cause i know what is sneaking into the hearts of men . ITS A LIE from the DEVIL .
and this lamb wont be following its lie either .
So repeat after me , muslims are lost in sin just as is any other who believes not THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
The one sin that will surely condemn them . They all believe in the one sin that will CONDMEN THEM TO THE LAKE OF FIRE .
UNBELIEF in HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . And the muslims preach ANOTHER jesus that cannot save them
EITHER we preach the gospel or its all vain we do preach . And the all inclusive social gospel is leading folks
to the lie of a strong delusion . WHich though the delusion has united them as one , ITS UNDER THE DRAGON my friend
and the dragon cannot save his flock . they are condemned as HE is condemned .
WE BESS BE PREACHING LIKE THE TRUE APOSTELS DID , is all I CAN SAY

 

[07-07-07]

You can't earn salvation.

Salvation is not works based. Salvation is not "if you promise to do this, then God promises to save you".

Again, Salvation is a free gift, but cannot be neglected or it will be lost -- just as with any free gift. The thief (Satan) will steal your free gift of Salvation if it is not cared for. This is what the Scriptures teach. The notion that Jesus did everything for our Salvation and so caring for and nurturing our free gift of Salvation is unnecessary is false doctrine.

 

[Behold]

"seen" This emphasis began in Phil. 3:17. As Paul followed Christ, believers are to follow him.

So why don't you practice what you preach brother?

Im here teaching Paul's revelation of what it means to be in Christ.

You only talk about works.

You defined this as "will" self will".

So, you are not the one to be trying to teach, anyone, anything, until you yourself understand what it means to be born again.

You came to ME, some day ago, and said you had some confusion, even about salvation, and now you are the Teacher of us all, using you confusion.... Mr Cut and Paste.

You're Carnal.
You want to win an argument, and your spiritual hearing is disabled., Johann
Same as it was months ago when i tried to help you, and you quickly became an "attitude problem", same as now.
That how you behave.


That you can't realize it, and just want to talk about works.....is on you.
Its not on me.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think there are 3 parts to Romans 6 marks-thanks for listening.

Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation.

You are far more matured in Christ than me-but as with everything, eat the chicken, spit out the sticks. I have searched high and low for any critical reviews on him and found none brother.

The Lord is using uncle Bob for me to come to maturity in Christ, no more tossed to and fro between diverse doctrines, as I was, most of my life.

Shalom brother
Johann.

Man was not put on earth to please man . I have watched you both .
Mark is not more mature in Christ than you are . I aint saying he is lost and of the devil .
But being mature in Christ is not about trying to get along for the sake of getting along .
And THAT my friend is what i am now watching take all folks captive to the LIE .
The warners are under direct assault now .
The message aint even tested anymore . IF i come with smiles and hugs and the promise
we all need to find common ground and get along , THEY WOULD hear me no matter what i taught .
Its all about unity now and its the wrong kind of unity too
Its all about love now , and i mean the wrong love too .
Marks is NOT more mature than you in Christ . And we all need to continue to grow in HIM , YES INDEED .
But if the goal becomes more focused on finding common ground , WE AINT GONNA MAKE IT
The goal must be , GOD First , CHRIST FIRST , the love of the TRUTH of HIS EVERY WORD
from that we will surely be given ALL WE NEED TO DO as we ought to DO , to speak as we ought to speak .
And as far as maturity . Lets take a reminder of what that is all about .
I say we can best look at the examples of paul , peter , james , jude , john and above all CHRIST Himself .

 

[Johann]

And that is why you just falsely accused me, and yet didnt use a quote of mine.

Speaking truth is not falsely accusing-are you the sole exegete on the Pauline epistles?
You deny the practical aspect of our covenantal relationship we have with Christ Jesus.
here is another excsmple, from the Holy spirit-
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away

Whereunto (ho). Here eis has to be repeated from eis to ergon just before, “for which” as Jesus sent the twelve and the seventy in pairs, so here. Paul nearly always had one or more companions.

Have a good day.

 

[amigo de christo]

Im here teaching Paul's revelation of what it means to be in Christ.

You only talk about works.

You defined this as "will" self will".

So, you are not the one to be trying to teach, anyone, anything, until you yourself understand what it means to be born again.

You came to ME, some day ago, and said you had some confusion, even about salvation, and now you are the Teacher of us all, using you confusion.... Mr Cut and Paste.

You're Carnal.
You want to win an argument, and your spiritual hearing is disabled., Johann
Same as it was months ago when i tried to help you, and you quickly became an "attitude problem", same as now.
That how you behave.


That you can't realize it, and just want to talk about works.....is on you.
Its not on me.

And we aint born again IF one believes not on the CHRIST OF GOD .
Lets not follow the francis version of all inclusive . OH yeah i know what it teaches .
ITS A LIE FROM THE DRAGON TOO . Let us remember that well .
Cause i know what is sneaking into the hearts of men . ITS A LIE from the DEVIL .
and this lamb wont be following its lie either .
So repeat after me , muslims are lost in sin just as is any other who believes not THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
The one sin that will surely condemn them . They all believe in the one sin that will CONDMEN THEM TO THE LAKE OF FIRE .
UNBELIEF in HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . And the muslims preach ANOTHER jesus that cannot save them
EITHER we preach the gospel or its all vain we do preach . And the all inclusive social gospel is leading folks
to the lie of a strong delusion . WHich though the delusion has united them as one , ITS UNDER THE DRAGON my friend
and the dragon cannot save his flock . they are condemned as HE is condemned .
WE BESS BE PREACHING LIKE THE TRUE APOSTELS DID , is all I CAN SAY

 

[Behold]

Again, Salvation is a free gift, but cannot be neglected or it will be lost

How can you lose Jesus = who is on the inside of the Born again, and said..>"i will never leave you or forsake you."

This is the same JESUS< who told YOU, that..... "if you believe in me, i give unto you eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell, (never perish).

Do you understand that "Eternal Life" is not Temporary, and that every born again Christian has been given "Eternal Life".

Listen, you've been taught by a CULT, or Cult teaching.... that Jesus starts your salvation, and then staying saved is up to you to keep.

And that teaching is CROSS DENYING Heresy.

So, Do you have any common sense, or analytical thinking ability, as now i realize that i can't talk to you using Spiritual food.

But maybe you have some God given smarts.
Lets find out, 07-07-07

1,) Can you understand that "what saved you, is the only thing that can keep you saved"

2.) Can you comprehend that "The Savior who saves, is the only way to STAY SAVED".

3.) If you can understand this, then it will help you get out of your "Jesus started my Salvation, and now Im on the Cross, trying to not lose my Salvation", mindset.

 

[Johann]

You're Carnal.
You want to win an argument, and your spiritual hearing is disabled., Johann
Same as it was months ago when i tried to help you, and you quickly became an "attitude problem", same as now.
That how you behave.

Not here to win a argument, the one in need of correction is you, to be blunt.
The "attitude problem" is not with me and personally, I perceive you are misrepresenting Paul.
You have a good day.

 

[Johann]

Man was not put on earth to please man . I have watched you both .
Mark is not more mature in Christ than you are . I aint saying he is lost and of the devil .
But being mature in Christ is not about trying to get along for the sake of getting along .
And THAT my friend is what i am now watching take all folks captive to the LIE .
The warners are under direct assault now .
The message aint even tested anymore . IF i come with smiles and hugs and the promise
we all need to find common ground and get along , THEY WOULD hear me no matter what i taught .
Its all about unity now and its the wrong kind of unity too
Its all about love now , and i mean the wrong love too .
Marks is NOT more mature than you in Christ . And we all need to continue to grow in HIM , YES INDEED .
But if the goal becomes more focused on finding common ground , WE AINT GONNA MAKE IT
The goal must be , GOD First , CHRIST FIRST , the love of the TRUTH of HIS EVERY WORD
from that we will surely be given ALL WE NEED TO DO as we ought to DO , to speak as we ought to speak .
And as far as maturity . Lets take a reminder of what that is all about .
I say we can best look at the examples of paul , peter , james , jude , john and above all CHRIST Himself .

No brother, there is still a lot of "catching up" to do and "leaven" to be purged in and by the Holy Spirit.
That's all I am going to share.
And I need directives, @marks going the extra mile me, probably praying.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think there are 3 parts to Romans 6 marks-thanks for listening.

Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation.

You are far more matured in Christ than me-but as with everything, eat the chicken, spit out the sticks. I have searched high and low for any critical reviews on him and found none brother.

The Lord is using uncle Bob for me to come to maturity in Christ, no more tossed to and fro between diverse doctrines, as I was, most of my life.

Shalom brother
Johann.

Who is uncle bob

 

[Behold]

Speaking truth is not falsely accusing-are you the sole exegete on the Pauline epistles?

Its interesting for you to note, that until "behold" showed up and started endlessly talking about Paul, and Pauline Theology, and Paul's doctrine and "the Cross, the Cross, the Cross, The Cross"....that it was not here.
Did you notice?
Now, when i first showed up here, over 2 yes ago.... Brother Marks was on the Job, and He does a good job when he lifts up the Cross.
Absolutely.
And recently, some others have "come alive", and God bless you, one especially, and she's a woman, and that is always something special.

So, i appreciate your backhanded compliment.
I am not the only Pauline Theologist, but in these end times, in these last days, its rare to hear one , and God knows that true.


Its easy to find, "you can lose your salvation" , teachers.
Its easy to find".. ."doing righteousness is to be righteous" teachers.
Its easy to find....."the gospel of works and water and enduring to the end."
Its easy to find "health and money" "prosperity Gospel" preaching.
Its easy to find, "the gospel of self effort, self saving, and self righteousness"....

But to find Paul's theology, that is .....the Gospel of the GRACE of GOD.... "made righteous",...."One with God".... "In Christ".... "Jesus is Salvation"... "Jesus is Eternal life"....."Jesus is the Resurrection"...>"Jesus is the GRACE OF GOD". "Jesus is the BLOOD ATONEMENT". ""Jesus is the NEW COVENANT".....

= Its rare to find Paul's teaching, anywhere, in this world, but it does exist.
Listen..
Try any other "christian forum" and see if you can find it.
You wont.
Its not there, Johann.

See, i know what God wants.,,,,
He wants His SON GIVEN FULL CREDIT for Salvation, and the DEVIL wants his owned to give credit to works, water, and self effort.

Nothing new about this for about 2000 yrs., Johann.
Same "war", just different players.
Same Devil, just a different era, season, time.

 

[Johann]

Who is uncle bob

Bob Utley brother, a Baptist minister-and I am being fed meat.




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[MatthewG]

And if he repent forgive him . While sex among two marrified folks is not a sin .
Singing about stroking it in a song , HAS NO PLACE within the church
Lusts of the heart has no business in the church .

…

 

[MatthewG]

Paul wrote to forgive the man who had sex with his mother in law…



People are honestly so strick that if they commit one sin they will go to hell…


And i havent told anyone to go rape, murder, steal which will bring about good….


Still going on about something three days ago is damned ignorant @amigo de christo.,,,

 

[marks]

But being mature in Christ is not about trying to get along for the sake of getting along .

Is this what you think I'm doing?

Hm.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Temptation is based on Lust.
The Law empowers your Lust., because the Law is a spiritual dominion, that has POWER over a person's (desires = behavior, to incite them to do their: LUST.

The CURSE of the law, is = that the more you try to do RIGHT, the more the Law empowers your SIN nature...which is your lust to sin again and again.
See that Curse?
Thats a curse.
= "that which i would do, i cant do, and that which i hate, that i do".
See that?
That is the power of the law.....as : "the power of SIN is the Law".

Now imagine how confused and frustrated a believer remains, when they are told by their CULT that the are supposed to keep the law, and then, by doing this, the "law is the power of sin".
This forever ruins their walk of Faith, and turns them into a habitual sinning, confessing, repenting, discipleship failure.

Final Solution? : "Christ has redeemed the born again from : the CURSE of the LAW"
Jesus became THAT CURSE for us, on the Cross so that we can free from it, always.
Christ's blood sacrifice and death, has created a NEW Spiritual law (new Covenant) that removes the law's dominion from you, because "you are no longer under the Law but UNDER GRACE".
"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE...OF....THE....LAW".

This is : SALVATiON, as BORN AGAIN.