More biblical proof that supports Amillennialism

[WPM]

We are not addressing my mindset. We are addressing Scripture. Sin is disobeying a law. Have you posted the laws that will be in force in the Day of the Lord?

If Satan is allowed to deceive humanity, did God break His own laws?

What you are admitting to here is that your millennium is lawless. There are no rules or laws governing it. Every man does that which is right in their own eyes. No wonder billions rebel as the sand of the sea.

 

[Timtofly]

So the Lamb was slain twice, first prior to creation, and then again at Calvary.

Right.

What does the word "now" mean in Hebrews 9:26?

Provide just one name, date, source, and verbatim quote of any recognized Christian exegete past or present who claims that the Lamb was slain prior to creation.

Just one.

Ask God how time works. Don't just assume. Jesus entered eternity after the resurrection, so no, it did not happen twice. It always happened was the point. So you cannot say it was a certain point in time, like 3.5 years after the Cross, when time was complete.

 

[covenantee]

Ask God how time works. Don't just assume. Jesus entered eternity after the resurrection, so no, it did not happen twice. It always happened was the point. So you cannot say it was a certain point in time, like 3.5 years after the Cross, when time was complete.

Incomprehensible nonsense.

Copy/paste my verbatim quote in which you say I said "it was a certain point in time, like 3.5 years after the Cross, when time was complete."

Beyond absurd.

No, it didn't "always happen".

It happened once (Hebrews 9:12,26,28), at Calvary, and has been in force and effect ever since.

It was in force and effect "now", when Hebrews 9:26 was written, more than 30 years after Calvary.

 

[Timtofly]

You purport to be a literalist, but you make it up as you go. Here are 100 years old sinners in your millennium and you do not know what to do with them because you want your millennium to be sinless and devoid of sinners. So, you explain them away. How convenient! Amils see billions of sinners in their millennium.

They are dead. They are not living in dead flesh. Adam lived in death. No one lives in death in the Millennium. That is the error of your own Millennium. You claim the 1000 years in Revelation is something it is not.

No one in the Millennium is born a sinner. They disobey one time and are then dead. The verse just points out after 100, the point of disobedience is no longer an issue. Because one is still growing out of childhood into becoming an adult at 100.

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed."

This verse does not say 100 is an old age. In fact it says there are no old humans period. This verse does not say every child will die when they turn 100. Death is the result of disobedience to God. Always has been. No verse declares any one who is disobedient, gets to keep living in sin and death.

Obviously you don't see the literal point, as you see figurative language, and fill in the blanks with your own made up explanation that eternity means no one dies. You put sin into eternity in your interpretation. The word sinner is in the verse.

Remember the iron rod rule, where death is the outcome of sin and sinners. If as you yourself admit disobedience is sin, the first act of disobedience is instant death. There is no intermediate living on earth in death as a sinner. A dead sinner is no longer on the earth, but placed in death, with no redemption available. Breaking a law shows that you are not looking for redemption, but death. Just living in the Millennium guarantees everlasting life, as long as you never disobey.

It is not my Millennium. It is called the Day of the Lord. I don't want anything. I am just pointing out what the Word of God states. Amil can keep on making outrageous claims all they want. It will not change anything.

 

[Timtofly]

So, what are the laws that must be obeyed in your liberal disobedient anything-goes millennium where billions are deceived yet they amazingly remain perfect and sinless?

You are the one claiming they are sinners. You have to prove that point. What laws have they broken? You give us a list of millennium laws. I am not assuming anything, much less what laws are around to break.

 

[Timtofly]

Hello! Deception results from billions of millennial inhabitants believing the lie of Satan, aligning with him, turning their backs on Christ and His righteous rule and then following Satan and conspiring with him to destroy the people of God.

Did I say that no one was deceived? Was Eve a sinner prior to eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil when deceived by Satan?

Is being deceieved a sin, or disobedience to God?

 

[Timtofly]

Right. He has so many contradictions in his beliefs that it's hard to keep track of them all. He has 100 year old sinners populating a sinless world. I guess the impossible is possible in this fictional scenario that he has dreamed up.

Not a single point in this post is correct. You obviously don't even read what I post.

If you read Scripture that way, no wonder you accept Amil.

 

[Timtofly]

Worst of all, he makes rebellion against Christ to be a godly and acceptable attribute. This is insane. I am not sure what he is on.

That is a lie.

You don't read my post either.

 

[Timtofly]

The Cross is a timeless event - a God event in His timelessness.

His blood covered the righteous in faith throughout the whole of history.

There was one crucifixion anchored in time but timeless in action.

Now that is a person that understands.

 

[Timtofly]

It's about as insane as can possibly be. Is it really worth your time debating this type of extreme nonsense? For what purpose? No one is going to agree with this guy, so we have no reason to be concerned about him deceiving anyone with his gibberish.


Must be something very strong, it seems.

The Holy Spirit is about as strong as it gets.

 

[covenantee]

Now that is a person that understands.

Does he or do you understand why God required animal sacrifices?

 

[Timtofly]

Deception results from billions of millennial inhabitants believing the lie of Satan, aligning with him, turning their backs on Christ and His righteous rule and then following Satan and conspiring with him to destroy the people of God.

No, deception results from listening to Satan. Disobedience results from acting out such deception.

What they did, did not result in deception. Deception happened first.

"shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more."

No one was deceived during the Millennium. Only after Satan was loosed, could any one even be deceived.

 

[Timtofly]

I think you've lost track of the original issue, which was Timtofly's attempt to deny that Daniel 9:24 prophesies that Christ would "make an end of sins", which Hebrews 9:26 et al confirm that He did.

I trust that you're not another such attempted denier.

You deny that as well as you place the end 3.5 years after the Cross.

Sin was over even before it started.

Sin is still on the earth. So you are being contradictory to all points.

 

[Timtofly]

Exactly bro!

You are one these people:

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Since sin stopped at the Cross for you, you have deceived yourself, and have no truth.

 

[Timtofly]

Do an OT search on "aton". You'll see many results.

Animal sacrifices conferred temporary atonements, thus the need for their continual repetition.

Christ's one sacrifice was the one final atonement forever.

It "made an end of sins" (Daniel 9:24) by "putting away sin" (Hebrews 9:26).

forever

Don't you mean "since the Cross" ?

 

[Timtofly]

You make so many nonsensical and self-defeating statements like this. When they are pointed out, you fail to support them by any solid Scripture. So:

If Satan was allowed to deceive humanity at the beginning, did God break His own laws?

So, according to you, there is no laws to be obeyed or requirements to be kept in your millennial sham?

1. So, according to you, turning your back on Jesus is not sin?
2. Embracing Satan and becoming a follower of him is not sin?
3. Mobilizing in Satan's army to destroy "the camp of the saints" is not sin?

Since you seem to be making all of this up, what laws are being broken? Sin is disobeying God. Give us the laws these humans are breaking? Don't ask if something is sin. Point to law that was broken.

 

[Timtofly]

What you are admitting to here is that your millennium is lawless. There are no rules or laws governing it. Every man does that which is right in their own eyes. No wonder billions rebel as the sand of the sea.

More avoidance of God's Word, and human imagination gone wild.

Are you writing the next left behind series, the Millennium years?

 

[covenantee]

Don't you mean "since the Cross" ?

You changed my original word "Forever" in your quote of my post 692, to "Since the Cross" in your post 715.

Are you looking to get banned?

 

[Timtofly]

Incomprehensible nonsense.

Copy/paste my verbatim quote in which you say I said "it was a certain point in time, like 3.5 years after the Cross, when time was complete."

Beyond absurd.

No, it didn't "always happen".

It happened once (Hebrews 9:12,26,28), at Calvary, and has been in force and effect ever since.

It was in force and effect "now", when Hebrews 9:26 was written, more than 30 years after Calvary.

Do you not state there is a 70th week that ends sometime after the Cross? Pentecost was not part of the 70th week? You must not agree that the Gospel going out to the Gentiles was still part of the 70th week??

I said that the Cross was the Atonement for sin. There was no need for any other sacrifice. Perhaps you forgot the point that you make that sin stopped at the Cross? Then you twisted my post and claimed the Cross happened twice.

If you would make your point clearer, then there would not be any misunderstanding.

 

[Timtofly]

How did you gain write access to my post 692?

You changed my original word "Forever" in your quote of my post 692, to "Since the Cross" in your post 715.

Are you looking to get banned?

Must have been the online spirits???