What makes a doctrine false?

[Stumpmaster]

Say it's not so!
I "stumped" the Stumpmaster? - LOL

stumped

adjective​

1. Perplexed, at a loss.

I grind and remove stumps, so no problem.

 

[St. SteVen]

I grind and remove stumps, so no problem.

Fair enough.
Go for it then.

Who does God rescue?
Who does God reconcile?
Who does God sanctify?
To what is expectation limited?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Fair enough.
Go for it then.

Who does God rescue?
Who does God reconcile?
Who does God sanctify?
To what is expectation limited?

Been answered by Z. Keep up.

 

[Zachariah]

Thanks for weighing in on this.

I think the "tone" of our responses has a lot to do with it.
Too many forum posters are blasting each other instead of trying to gain an understanding.
Differences in opinion are characterized as lies and worse.

I visited the Eschatology area on the forum recently. Wow, what a war zone!

Good testimony, thanks!

Perception is the lens through which we see Truth.

 

[Zao is life]

Any Doctrines is false that conditions Salvation, any part of it on man, his doings. That takes away from the Saving Efficacy of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a doctrine has men and women going to hell, dying in their sins and unbelief, for whom Christ died and rose again, that's a false doctrine !

Those who perished in the wilderness in their unbelief did not enter the promised land. They perished in the wilderness because of their unbelief. That's harsh.

 

[Zao is life]

I agree.
But I suppose others might disagree.
Is doctrine false simply because you don't agree with it?

There's a lot of doctrine getting spewed that's simply false because God doesn't agree with it. Which is why Jesus castigated the Pharisees. So were Jesus and His apostles Pharisees because He and they demanded doctrinal purity?

Matthew 10
34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
36 And a man's foes shall be those of his own household.
37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
39 He who finds his life shall lose it. And he who loses his life for My sake shall find it.
40 He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.

What do you suppose would set a man against his father, daughter against mother etc, if not doctrine? Religious beliefs?

Do you believe in peace at all costs? I hope American troops don't share that belief. I doubt they do. The Allies did not.

The unity is in the Spirit, not in man, so it matters little whether there is a war zone in the eschatology board. In Christ they are brothers. We don't need to sing kumbaya to one another in these Christian debate forums boards when we don't agree. All we need is to recognize that the reason we don't all agree is because we have fallible minds, but we are brothers in Christ.

The place for oowee goowee loveey doveey is not debate forums of any sort, but when we Christians are assembling together for prayer, praise and worship, then our unity is in the Spirit and the love of Christ rules.

You seem to be overly critical of any sign of disagreement among Christians, because it seems to be the main theme in many of your posts, like Christians have to be super-human (or sub-human robots programmed to be loving and kind at all times) and yet not even Jesus held back in His castigation of the religious leaders of His day. Nor did the apostles. If you're looking for perfection, go find it in the wives of princes, because you won't find it in many other places, lol.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Perception is the lens through which we see Truth.

What about lasers?

 

[Zachariah]

That's pretty significant. Could you find a solid citation for that?
("... the modern day belief in heaven as an afterlife only recently started in the 1960's or it mite have been the 1860's? ...")

The New Testament Doesn’t Say What Most People Think It Does About Heaven

For most modern Christians, the idea of “going to heaven” is a key belief. But early Christians had very different ideas on the subject

time.com

 

[Zachariah]

What about lasers?

Lol, what about them.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Lol, what about them.

Surgical precision for a start.

 

[Zachariah]

Those who perished in the wilderness in their unbelief did not enter the promised land. They perished in the wilderness because of their unbelief. That's harsh.

The wilderness is another term used for the realm of death. The realm of death within the human psyche is a place of despair. So without hope and faith we will surely be consumed by despair and perish in the wilderness.

 

[Zachariah]

Surgical precision for a start.

Look, I don't mean to be rude, but seriously, do you have anything mature to contribute to the conversation? I sence a kind of antagonistic nature behind your remarks and I feel it's because you want to be apart of the topic yet you have nothing really to contribute. Do you feel left out?

 

[quietthinker]

What makes a doctrine false?​

A contextual violation.

 

[Zachariah]

The seen gets sacrificed for the unseen.

A gift gets sacrificed for love.

The ego identity for our identity in God.

Knowlage and belief get sacrificed for Truth.

We will never experience world wide freedom until doctrines and mans law get sacrificed for true morality. (Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.)

Gifts, ego, knowlage, belief, man's law, doctrines are all worldly possessions we struggle to let go of in detriment to our experience with God.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Look, I don't mean to be rude, but seriously, do you have anything mature to contribute to the conversation? I sence a kind of antagonistic nature behind your remarks and I feel it's because you want to be apart of the topic yet you have nothing really to contribute. Do you feel left out?

Truth is the laser that performs surgery on vain philosophy.

 

[Grailhunter]

Beliefs, Truths, Facts it is important to know the difference.

 

[Grailhunter]

Did Christ and the Apostles preach one religion?

Was there one religion in the New Testament?

If so why do people have such a hard time understanding it?

If so why are there so many denominations?

 

[Zachariah]

Did Christ and the Apostles preach one religion?

Was there one religion in the New Testament?

If so why do people have such a hard time understanding it?

If so why are there so many denominations?

Truth takes no sides, we cannot box it in to any given religion. It is omnipresent. Truth and fact are the same thing, belief is always blind as Truth does not require belief. Christianity is in fact based on astro theology.

 

[St. SteVen]

There's a lot of doctrine getting spewed that's simply false because God doesn't agree with it.

How do you determine that God doesn't agree with it?
If you really thought that God didn't agree with someone else's doctrinal opinion, would you call it a false doctrine?
That's exactly what this topic is about. That mindset.

Which is why Jesus castigated the Pharisees. So were Jesus and His apostles Pharisees because He and they demanded doctrinal purity?

Jesus and the Apostles demanded doctrinal purity?
How did you arrive at that conclusion? All doctrine is man-made.
An attempt to codify what we think the Bible is saying.

What do you suppose would set a man against his father, daughter against mother etc, if not doctrine? Religious beliefs?

I think Jesus was using exaggeration to make a point. Do you think he dishonored his own mother and father?
Nothing to do with doctrine, or beliefs. Follow Jesus and leave the rest behind.
When Jesus called the fishermen disciples to follow him, they left their nets and followed.

The unity is in the Spirit, not in man, so it matters little whether there is a war zone in the eschatology board. In Christ they are brothers. We don't need to sing kumbaya to one another in these Christian debate forums boards when we don't agree. All we need is to recognize that the reason we don't all agree is because we have fallible minds, but we are brothers in Christ.

That's fine, but I was observing a very un-brotherly level of tribalism on that board.
Again, what this topic is about.

You seem to be overly critical of any sign of disagreement among Christians, because it seems to be the main theme in many of your posts, like Christians have to be super-human (or sub-human robots programmed to be loving and kind at all times)

On the contrary, my good fellow. (assuming)
I run toward disagreement when many run away from it.
I work hard to understand where the other is coming from.

I am critical of negative and inappropriate responses to disagreement.
Posters are quick to label others as liars and claim they disagree with God. (sound familiar?)
And the obvious charge of false doctrine, over a difference of opinion.

 

[St. SteVen]

What makes a doctrine false?​

A contextual violation.

That's a good one. Examples?
One that comes to my mind is Matthew 24:13 NIV "... the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." claim about salvation.
What does the context tell us? Matthew 24 is about surviving the End Times events.

Just to be clear, if someone used that verse as it is commonly used,
I would not rail against them with an accusation of "False doctrine!!!"
Better to direct them to the passage context, and let them draw their own conclusion.