What is New Testament Faith?

[ChristisGod]

Currently we buy whole bean and do the French Press.

Can you roast beans in a skillet - stove top?

i have seen people who live where there is no electricity do it that way - fire roasted

You can but it will not taste good . You need the right gradual heat over the right time with good circulation of the beans . That time depending on the method ranges from 8-12 minutes . I use a Behmor roaster that looks like a microwave and a fresh roast sr800 with an aftermarket extension glass chamber

 

[ChristisGod]

Who could say God is not graceful for ever creating a world to live in?


Come on guys.

You proved the point that grace relates directly to man.

 

[ChristisGod]

the Story was told me so explicitly
that i ran down the Road in front of me

i went down this One Way Road
thinking i was all alone
then Someone stood next to me
He said: "few there be that find this Path"

i said to Him who Knows
How is it that i am here all alone?

He asked me "by which Way did you come my son?
i said - by the One whose Blood i followed on this Path
Of course He said, this is why you are on this Road

so i asked again, where is my Friend who told me of this Path
He said, your Friend saved you from the coming Wrath

i want to thank Him for all that He has done
He said, there is more Road ahead before you are done

How shall i keep the Way of this Path,
for i know that there is coming wrath
He said, stay close to the Friend who led you here Today

but i do not see Him as yet and i may fray!
No, no you will not for your Friend has you in His Hand
By this you will know that the Father is in Command

Then He held out His Hand, wounded on that Tree
yes, there He was, and i beheld - He was holding unto me!

On His Path free from wrath
No, i was never alone
for He will never leave nor forsake me

Matthew 7:14 , John 10:27-30 , Hebrews 13:1-5

Nice !!!

 

[Robert Gwin]

What I see is that people...especially believers...tend to be petty and tribal whereas we should be the most understanding, patient and considerate people on the planet. Those who only see the distinctions between themselves and others I see as religious bigots. They have fallen for the partisan self-interest of the outer man. And these will virtue signal how righteous they are to anyone who will listen...or even not listen. These are going directly against Christ even as they claim Him as their saviour.

God is an eternal Genius. But we refuse His ways in favour of our own judgments.

God is selfless...and no one seems to be paying attention to that. He is not a respecter of persons.

I'll give one example.

Jesus said to love our enemies. He came from heaven to teach us His ways. But almost no one ever listens to Him.

An example of an ACTUAL follower of Christ is a Hindu man named Gandhi. Another example is Nelson Mandela.

These men learned to suffer for the salvation of others. They learned how to be selfless...as Jesus was selfless.

Did they treat Jesus as a religious icon??? Not necessarily..instead they set out to obey Him and please God in the process.

So many will point to Christ as they do their own abominations. God will surely reject them. He will say...go away lawless ones...I never knew you. And that will be the fate of SO MANY modern believers...entire generations of rich Westerners who claim to love Jesus but do the exact opposite of everything He said.

Do His words abide in us? Are we motivated to suffer rather than to defend ourselves? Are we more like sheep, or like dogs that bark out our opinions and shout down those whom we disagree with?

We like to see Jesus in a religious way rather than a practical way. The people who pointed to the cross in the wilderness for their salvation... still perished there...they did NOT enter into the promised land. They were saved but for a time.

We will see the same thing happen on judgment day. There should be no surprise at this...yet so many will weep and be angry...from the frustration of selfishness.

Are there any wise here at all?

An example of an ACTUAL follower of Christ is a Hindu man named Gandhi

A Hindu Christian? I think not sir. I have great respect for Mr Gandhi, great respect. If everyone on earth lived like him, it would be a great place to live. Jehovah doesn't accept interfaith, He expects people to worship Him in spirit and truth as Jesus said at John 4:24. He has always had only one group of people since the first covenant. The Bible identifies the faith beyond any doubt Episkopos.

 

[MatthewG]

You proved the point that grace relates directly to man.

I dont understand.

 

[Lizbeth]

An example of an ACTUAL follower of Christ is a Hindu man named Gandhi. Another example is Nelson Mandela.

What is it that you aren't getting about the highly deceptive and seductive nature of the enemy, right from the get-go in the Garden of Eden? Satan's ministers can appear as an angel of light. It's not the evil side of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that is so deceptive, it's the "good" side.

That spirit behind Hinduism has been seeking and waiting to spread around the world (including infiltrating churches).....it's part of its stated doctrine and prophecies......don't be fooled and sucked into it, it's highly deceptive and seductive. Ghandi's ascetic Hinduism cannot save a single soul....it only has an outward appearance of righteousness.....like where Jesus described whitewashed sepulchers. (And Mandela had blood on his hands, he engaged in guerilla warfare against governing authorities, so not even sure why you would include him as an example of someone following Christ.)

This fallen world has been hardly anything but a long story of endless warring and injustice......there have likewise been countless examples of people without faith in God since the dawn of history fighting and working "selflessly" and sacrificially against oppression and injustice for their people....some of them even have success in this world, but it doesnt' save them.

 

[ChristisGod]

What I see is that people...especially believers...tend to be petty and tribal whereas we should be the most understanding, patient and considerate people on the planet. Those who only see the distinctions between themselves and others I see as religious bigots. They have fallen for the partisan self-interest of the outer man. And these will virtue signal how righteous they are to anyone who will listen...or even not listen. These are going directly against Christ even as they claim Him as their saviour.

God is an eternal Genius. But we refuse His ways in favour of our own judgments.

God is selfless...and no one seems to be paying attention to that. He is not a respecter of persons.

I'll give one example.

Jesus said to love our enemies. He came from heaven to teach us His ways. But almost no one ever listens to Him.

An example of an ACTUAL follower of Christ is a Hindu man named Gandhi. Another example is Nelson Mandela.

These men learned to suffer for the salvation of others. They learned how to be selfless...as Jesus was selfless.

Did they treat Jesus as a religious icon??? Not necessarily..instead they set out to obey Him and please God in the process.

So many will point to Christ as they do their own abominations. God will surely reject them. He will say...go away lawless ones...I never knew you. And that will be the fate of SO MANY modern believers...entire generations of rich Westerners who claim to love Jesus but do the exact opposite of everything He said.

Do His words abide in us? Are we motivated to suffer rather than to defend ourselves? Are we more like sheep, or like dogs that bark out our opinions and shout down those whom we disagree with?

We like to see Jesus in a religious way rather than a practical way. The people who pointed to the cross in the wilderness for their salvation... still perished there...they did NOT enter into the promised land. They were saved but for a time.

We will see the same thing happen on judgment day. There should be no surprise at this...yet so many will weep and be angry...from the frustration of selfishness.

Are there any wise here at all?

Your two followers of Christ mentioned are self proclaimed Christ rejecters . You cannot tell the difference between the wheat and the tares, the goats and the sheep.

Yikes

 

[Episkopos]

A Hindu Christian? I think not sir. I have great respect for Mr Gandhi, great respect. If everyone on earth lived like him, it would be a great place to live. Jehovah doesn't accept interfaith, He expects people to worship Him in spirit and truth as Jesus said at John 4:24. He has always had only one group of people since the first covenant. The Bible identifies the faith beyond any doubt Episkopos.

If God was as religious as we are...then there would be truth to what you say. :)

There is a certain parable ...of the two sons....one said he would and didn't and the other said he wouldn't but did.

So which one did the will of the Father?

Modern religion doesn't seek to OBEY Christ...instead people just point to Him and justify themselves based on that.

But if we love the Lord we will obey His commandments.

If you could understand the difference between holiness and righteousness...you would understand what Jesus said...he that is not against us is for us.

The worshiping in Spirit and truth is on a holiness level...meant for believers.

Obeying Jesus is for all men. Love your enemies... a concept so radical that most believers ignore it completely.

 

[ChristisGod]

If God was as religious as we are...then there would be truth to what you say. :)

There is a certain parable ...of the two sons....one said he would and didn't and the other said he wouldn't but did.

So which one did the will of the Father?

Modern religion doesn't seek to OBEY Christ...instead people just point to Him and justify themselves based on that.

But if we love the Lord we will obey His commandments.

If you could understand the difference between holiness and righteousness...you would understand what Jesus said...he that is not against us is for us.

The worshiping in Spirit and truth is on a holiness level...meant for believers.

Obeying Jesus is for all men. Love your enemies... a concept so radical that most believers ignore it completely.

Hindu’s have a false god, christ and gospel

 

[Robert Gwin]

If God was as religious as we are...then there would be truth to what you say. :)

There is a certain parable ...of the two sons....one said he would and didn't and the other said he wouldn't but did.

So which one did the will of the Father?

Modern religion doesn't seek to OBEY Christ...instead people just point to Him and justify themselves based on that.

But if we love the Lord we will obey His commandments.

If you could understand the difference between holiness and righteousness...you would understand what Jesus said...he that is not against us is for us.

The worshiping in Spirit and truth is on a holiness level...meant for believers.

Obeying Jesus is for all men. Love your enemies... a concept so radical that most believers ignore it completely.

But if we love the Lord we will obey His commandments.

And one of those commandments; Heb 10:24,25 at: Isa 2:2,3

 

[Episkopos]

Hindu’s have a false god, christ and gospel

Some religious Jews believe that even the worst Jew is better than the best Gentile.

You, and others here, are following that same self-righteous religious pattern, seemingly fully unaware that God is not a respecter of persons. ....and that we will not be judged according to the accuracy of our beliefs....but rather what we did with what we were given.

 

[ChristisGod]

Some religious Jews believe that even the worst Jew is better than the best Gentile.

You, and others here, are following that same self-righteous religious pattern, seemingly fully unaware that God is not a respecter of persons. ....and that we will not be judged according to the accuracy of our beliefs....but rather what we did with what we were given.

It doesn't matter one iota what someone wrongly believes it matter what the truth is and that comes from Scripture not false religions, false relsigious leaders and false prophets. Hinduism is a false religion that sends its followers to hell. What makes Christianity different from the other religions of the world ?

1. Every other religion teaches us to earn our way to God.​

2. Other religions have systems of rules to appease their god. Christianity is a relationship with God.​

3. No other religion has an empty tomb.​

4- No other religion has inspired writings from God

 

[Episkopos]

It doesn't matter one iota what someone wrongly believes it matter what the truth is and that comes from Scripture not false religions, false relsigious leaders and false prophets. Hinduism is a false religion that sends its followers to hell. What makes Christianity different from the other religions of the world ?

1. Every other religion teaches us to earn our way to God.​

2. Other religions have systems of rules to appease their god. Christianity is a relationship with God.​

3. No other religion has an empty tomb.​

4- No other religion has inspired writings from God

1. Christianity is not a religion. Carnal religious men have made it so.

2. The faith of Christ is so far beyond human values, rules and efforts...that all religion (including dogmatic Christianity) are as nothing to it. We are called higher than that in Christ. We are NOT called to compare one religion to another. That is a fools errand.

3. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world...not just believers

4. If the fear of God is taught in other religions then they at least have that part right.

5. Having inspired writings is of no use to us unless we put them into practice. We, in the West, have shown what little we can do with the Bible, whereas the false religions of others has produced a better fruit of righteousness. So we will be judged VERY hard. The poor in other countries are able to produce (dig out) MORE righteousness with their spoons than we can with the inspirations of backhoes. God will compare us with them and treat us accordingly.

 

[Bob Estey]

I would call "New Testament Faith" a religion that ignores the valuable teachings found in the Old Testament.

 

[Episkopos]

I would call "New Testament Faith" a religion that ignores the valuable teachings found in the Old Testament.

Interesting. How so?

Is it the actual faith of the New Testament you see doing this?...or the way that faith is being interpreted today that throws out real faith?

Can you see that holiness is being built on righteousness? The NT being built on the OT?

 

[Bob Estey]

Interesting. How so?

Is it the actual faith of the New Testament you see doing this?...or the way that faith is being interpreted today that throws out real faith?

Can you see that holiness is being built on righteousness? The NT being built on the OT?

I think some people think they can ignore the New Testament and the discipline it spells out.

I would equate holiness and righteousness.

I would say the NT and OT go hand in hand.

 

[Episkopos]

I think some people think they can ignore the New Testament and the discipline it spells out.

I would equate holiness and righteousness.

I would say the NT and OT go hand in hand.

I think you meant to say Old Testament.

But I agree with you. The OT is about instruction in righteousness. The NT is about a testimony meant to inspire us to seek God for holiness.

 

[Bob Estey]

I think you meant to say Old Testament.

But I agree with you. The OT is about instruction in righteousness. The NT is about a testimony meant to inspire us to seek God for holiness.

Yes, I meant to say that some people think they can ignore the Old Testament. Thanks for catching my mistake. I think there is great wisdom in the Old Testament that helps us out along the way.

 

[ChristisGod]

The OT is for Jews/ Israel and the NT for everyone. The law was for Israel and the Gentiles in the NT are not under the law.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Episkopos]

The OT is for Jews/ Israel and the NT for everyone. The law was for Israel and the Gentiles in the NT are not under the law.

hope this helps !!!

This is false. The OT was the bible of the early Christians. When they received the testimony of the apostles...it did them good. They understood it in the context of righteousness.

But today the bible is misunderstood. It has been subverted by man-made doctrines so that a sound doctrine is not longer tolerated. It's the sign of the times. The unrighteousness we see in the world is a direct result of throwing away and subverting basic human righteousness....as taught in the OT.

That's why we don't see any wisdom in modern Christendom...beyond a scheme to save one's own skin.