Collosians 1:15-16

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Your bibles are erred=0 doubt in all creation--the removal of Gods name alone proves 100% satans will is in your translations, to mislead.
God put his name in nearly 7000 places because he wants it there, what is about that you cannot understand? Out of Love and respect for Gods will, the New world translation put his name back, condemned by every trinity religion on earth--don't you see something wrong with that? They know 100% his name belongs in all those spots--they have something to hide that is why?
And not one word written about the true context of Collosians 1 - just an incoherent rant from someone who is blind... being led by the blind.

Why not try it for once? Speak to the context!

I gave you a lead in! What more do you want.

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And not one word written about the true context of Collosians 1 - just an incoherent rant from someone who is blind... being led by the blind.

Why not try it for once? Speak to the context!

I gave you a lead in! What more do you want.

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I did. Its you who do not listen to it..Things were created THROUGH Jesus--obviously by the one with the power=his God and Father. Let it sink in.
 

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I did. Its you who do not listen to it..Things were created THROUGH Jesus--obviously by the one with the power=his God and Father. Let it sink in.
EXACT same thing!
 

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EXACT same thing!
I guess you cant understand english to well-How sad--What does THROUGH mean to your english understanding. That Jesus did it or another did it through him?
 

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I guess you cant understand english to well-How sad--What does THROUGH mean to your english understanding. That Jesus did it or another did it through him?
"english" should be capitalized. Your personal insult noted. Your lacking in 'English' also noted. Are you another Kingdom Hall puppet maybe?

JW's don't even know what their own Bible says.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".
 
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I did. Its you who do not listen to it..Things were created THROUGH Jesus--obviously by the one with the power=his God and Father. Let it sink in.
Keiw, this is called confirmation bias....this means you force an interpretation on the text to support your own belief. Lets explore your belief which I take is the preexistence of Christ. If God is to create "through" Jesus, it must therefore mean Jesus did the creative work - have you considered Paul was teaching that everything has been made as a result of the creation in Christ Jesus? That the New Creation has it's existence because of the work God did in and through Jesus, as a result of Jesus etc? The purpose of all the God has done is found in the creation of Jesus Christ, who became the Logos made flesh. After all Jesus is a child of promise!
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"english" should be capitalized. Your personal insult noted. Your lacking in 'English' also noted. Are you another Kingdom Hall puppet maybe?

JW's don't even know what their own Bible says.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".
We know exactly what our bible says. We as well know it does not contradict itself. Twisting it contradicts it. Just like you think the 144,000 will be male virgins to women( Rev 14:4), but that is symbolism, not seen by your teachers because they do not have holy spirit, nor know how to use the bible to show the reality of that symbolism.
 
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Keiw, this is called confirmation bias....this means you force an interpretation on the text to support your own belief. Lets explore your belief which I take is the preexistence of Christ. If God is to create "through" Jesus, it must therefore mean Jesus did the creative work - have you considered Paul was teaching that everything has been made as a result of the creation in Christ Jesus? That the New Creation has it's existence because of the work God did in and through Jesus, as a result of Jesus etc? The purpose of all the God has done is found in the creation of Jesus Christ, who became the Logos made flesh. After all Jesus is a child of promise!
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Yes the Logos( word) not called-God in the Greek lexicons but called god small g. No confirmation bias--just reality.
 

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We know exactly what our bible says. We as well know it does not contradict itself. Twisting it contradicts it.
Kingdom Hall exists to TWIST the Bible!
Just like you think the 144,000 will be male virgins to women( Rev 14:4)
That's a lie.
, but that is symbolism, not seen by your teachers because they do not have holy spirit, nor know how to use the bible to show the reality of that symbolism.
Symbolism, one of Kingdom Hall's favorite words when attacking what God said.
 

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Yes the Logos( word) not called-God in the Greek lexicons but called god small g. No confirmation bias--just reality.
Have you even read the NWT?

NWT John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".
 

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Yes the Logos( word) not called-God in the Greek lexicons but called god small g. No confirmation bias--just reality.
Your reality - but dont use Col 1 to reach Christ's preexistence. You must read is context!
 

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Kingdom Hall exists to TWIST the Bible!

That's a lie.

Symbolism, one of Kingdom Hall's favorite words when attacking what God said.
Your own scholars know there is a lot of symbolism in the bible. but they don't know the meanings.
JW,s don't twist the bible. The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth, proves 100% the JW,s are his. Israelite true God worship history backs the JW,s as well--Where does that leave the rest= darkness.
Learn all that Jesus taught correctly then you will see. No Church on earth teaches what he actually taught, just little of what fits their dogmas.
 
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I did--all creation occurred at the beginning-100% for sure.
That's a weird belief certainly not taught in the Bible. The phsycial creation happened long ago while the spiritual clearly defined as being he who was born of a woman born under the law then crucified. Romans 1:1-3 proves this!
 

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That's a weird belief certainly not taught in the Bible. The phsycial creation happened long ago while the spiritual clearly defined as being he who was born of a woman born under the law then crucified. Romans 1:1-3 proves this!
Verse 16 proves its about the beginning creation.
Like Daniel 7:13-15-- Someone like a son of man= (a created being)--was given a kingship.
 

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Verse 16 proves its about the beginning creation.
Like Daniel 7:13-15-- Someone like a son of man= (a created being)--was given a kingship.
I've learned conversing with you is to expect you will pluck random verses without context and ascribe meaning which is not present. Jesus is a created being correct! He was born (did not preexist) and he died and was raised to life.
 

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Your own scholars know there is a lot of symbolism in the bible.
Prove it. It's Kingdom Hall who loves "symbolism" when they don't like what God said.
but they don't know the meanings.
I get it, irony!
JW,s don't twist the bible.
They repented?
The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth, proves 100% the JW,s are his. Israelite true God worship history backs the JW,s as well--Where does that leave the rest= darkness.
Learn all that Jesus taught correctly then you will see. No Church on earth teaches what he actually taught, just little of what fits their dogmas.
As usual you avoid Scripture like plague! Have you ever read the NWT? Doesn't sound like you even know what it says.
 

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Verse16 proves 100% it is speaking of the beginning creation. Its blind guides who mislead and say verse 15 is about his birth on earth. Any who can understand english for themselves can see and know 100%--creation occurred at the beginning. Thus the term-all creation. Firstborn= created direct, first and last.
Its a depiction of what we call the "Generative Principle" or "Genesis". It is the beggining of creation and the beggining of all new life. It is known as the womb of God. It is also seen in the womb of a female human and how a baby growns in her tummy. This scripture is not exclusive to any given situation, rather it is describing a principle that consists within the laws of nature.

Both views are allegoricaly correct but if you can't see beyond that one view your perception is narrow minded and bounded by intelect. Your pride will own you, and you will end up debating amongst other people with the same condition. All to no avail.
 
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I've learned conversing with you is to expect you will pluck random verses without context and ascribe meaning which is not present. Jesus is a created being correct! He was born (did not preexist) and he died and was raised to life.
How could he not preexist since his God and Father created all other things through him? At the beginning?
 

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Prove it. It's Kingdom Hall who loves "symbolism" when they don't like what God said.

I get it, irony!

They repented?

As usual you avoid Scripture like plague! Have you ever read the NWT? Doesn't sound like you even know what it says.
I know what it says. I know it doesnt contradict itself. Twisting what was said causes contradiction. Like at John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ.-- So by ones teaching a trinity is actually calling Jesus a liar. He is 100% clear--The Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
 
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