The Left Redefining Words

[TinMan]

APA IS HAVING A MENTAL BREAKDOWN - Catholic League

It is becoming ever more clear that those who run the American Psychological Association (APA) are suffering from a mental breakdown. It is now promoting

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Its descent is traceable to 1975 when it decided to support the position of the American Psychiatric Association declaring that homosexuality was not a mental illness. That determination, which was reached in 1973, was not based on any new scientific empirical evidence; rather, it was made following years of bullying by radical gay activists.

Wow that is an amazingly bad lie. Does the Catholic league know that people can actually go find out the truth for themselves?

The hearings and review of empirical evidence conducted by the APA in 1973 were open to the public and are matters of public record. People can also read about the process from people who were actually there.
Ref:
American Psychiatry and Homosexuality: An Oral History by Jack Dresher and Joseph Merlino
Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis by Ronald Bayer
Changing American Psychiatry A Personal Perspective Melvin Sabshin
Out of the DSM: Depathologizing Homosexuality by Jack Drescher

The 1972 meeting of the APA was a controversial one. One of the members, Judd Marmor, issued a strong condemnation of Charles Socarides for having written a "monstrous attack on homosexuality" for JAMA and for some traditional psychoanalytical societies. Dr. Marmor additionally spoke about intense anti-homosexual bias within the profession. "The cruelty, the thoughtlessness, the lack of common humanity, in the attitudes of many conservative psychiatrists is I think a disgrace to our profession." (Bayer, pp. 110-111)

Shortly after the 1972 APA meeting, Dr. Richard Green, wrote a lengthy summary of the issues in the dispute over the classification of homosexuality in the DSM. His article, "Homosexuality as a Mental Illness," published in the International Journal of Psychiatry, charged that there was no existing data to support the claim that homosexuality is a disease or that sexual relations between opposite sex partners are preferable to those between same sex partners. Dr. Green's article included formal invitations for response, four of them designed to highlight the extent of the division between the traditional theory and the newer theories based on work of Evelyn Hooker and others. Two of the invitees were Judd Marmor and Charles Socarides. (Bayer, pp. 112-113)

In early 1973 several petitions for the removal of homosexuality from the DSM were presented to the nomenclature committee.

the APA's Nomenclature Committee met in February of 1973. Among those present at the meeting, Dr. Seymour Halleck stressed that there was no scientific evidence supporting the theory that homosexuality was a developmental disorder. Numerous scientists presented research on homosexuality presenting evidence that homosexuality was not a disorder but rather a normal variation of human sexuality.

Charles Silverstein presented the work of many scientists showing that the DSM classification was not consistent with a scientific perspective. Indicating that homosexuality does not even meet the base definition of a mental disorder.

The APA's Nomenclature Committee went through an 11-month process by preparing a report recommending the change in DSM-II. This process was open to any APA member and in the course of the 11 months 78 different experts were called on to present evidence and research. The committee specifically invited the most vocal opponents of the change, Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, and Robert McDevitt, to present research and evidence. While all three attended meetings they presented no research. Instead they chose to complain how the this was a political move not a scientific one.

At the end of this process the APA's Council on Research and Development unanimously recommended deletion of homosexuality from DSM-II. Next, it was taken to the Assembly of District Branches, where it was again approved. The next step was the APA Reference Committee, composed of the heads of the various APA councils and the president-elect. The Reference Committee endorsed the proposal, leaving the approval of the board of trustees at the December meeting as the final step. (Bayer, pp. 132-138)


The APA's Nomenclature Committee went through an 11-month process by preparing a report recommending the change in DSM-II. This process was open to any APA member and in the course of the 11 months 78 different experts were called on to present evidence and research. The committee specifically invited most vocal opponents of the change, Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, and Robert McDevitt, to present research and evidence. While all three attended meetings they presented no research. Instead they chose to complain how the this was a political move not a scientific one.

At the end of this process the APA's Council on Research and Development unanimously recommended deletion of homosexuality from DSM-II. Next, it was taken to the Assembly of District Branches, where it was again approved. The next step was the APA Reference Committee, composed of the heads of the various APA councils and the president-elect. The Reference Committee endorsed the proposal, leaving the approval of the board of trustees at the December meeting as the final step. (Bayer, pp. 132-138)

Then the APA Board of Trustees again invited , Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, and Robert McDevitt, to present their case a third time on December 10, 1973. Bieber restated the old theories without presenting data to support them. Socarides and McDevitt complained that the change in classification was motivated by politics, not by scientific studies. Socarides and McDevitt were asked once again to present scientific studies supporting their view of homosexuality as a pathology. They could not produce any. Following those presentations, the Board of Trustees met in executive session and voted to approve the removal of homosexuality from DSM-II. (Bayer, pp. 135-138)

Socarides and Bieber poured over the associations by-laws and found a provision designed to provide some democratic control over the association's corporate life, and then forced a petition demanding a referendum of the Association's membership. Amazingly, those who accused the APA of capitulating to political pressure were now themselves forcing a political maneuver and using a loophole in a provision for non-scientific matters to accomplish their end. (Bayer, pp. 141-144)

 

[Behold]

And your island example was silly.

Homosexual sex can't reproduce.

And SEXUAL union, is created by God, to reproduce, 1st and foremost.

If you put heterosexual couples on the Island, they will recreate the Species.

If you put homosexual "married" on the Island, the can't reproduce the Species.

So, it does not matter if you don't like this reality, Tinman, as Truth can be like regarding some people.

 

[Illuminator]

Wow that is an amazingly bad lie. Does the Catholic league know that people can actually go find out the truth for themselves?

The hearings and review of empirical evidence conducted by the APA in 1973 were open to the public and are matters of public record. People can also read about the process from people who were actually there.
Ref:
American Psychiatry and Homosexuality: An Oral History by Jack Dresher and Joseph Merlino
Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis by Ronald Bayer
Changing American Psychiatry A Personal Perspective Melvin Sabshin
Out of the DSM: Depathologizing Homosexuality by Jack Drescher

The 1972 meeting of the APA was a controversial one. One of the members, Judd Marmor, issued a strong condemnation of Charles Socarides for having written a "monstrous attack on homosexuality" for JAMA and for some traditional psychoanalytical societies. Dr. Marmor additionally spoke about intense anti-homosexual bias within the profession. "The cruelty, the thoughtlessness, the lack of common humanity, in the attitudes of many conservative psychiatrists is I think a disgrace to our profession." (Bayer, pp. 110-111)

Shortly after the 1972 APA meeting, Dr. Richard Green, wrote a lengthy summary of the issues in the dispute over the classification of homosexuality in the DSM. His article, "Homosexuality as a Mental Illness," published in the International Journal of Psychiatry, charged that there was no existing data to support the claim that homosexuality is a disease or that sexual relations between opposite sex partners are preferable to those between same sex partners. Dr. Green's article included formal invitations for response, four of them designed to highlight the extent of the division between the traditional theory and the newer theories based on work of Evelyn Hooker and others. Two of the invitees were Judd Marmor and Charles Socarides. (Bayer, pp. 112-113)

In early 1973 several petitions for the removal of homosexuality from the DSM were presented to the nomenclature committee.

the APA's Nomenclature Committee met in February of 1973. Among those present at the meeting, Dr. Seymour Halleck stressed that there was no scientific evidence supporting the theory that homosexuality was a developmental disorder. Numerous scientists presented research on homosexuality presenting evidence that homosexuality was not a disorder but rather a normal variation of human sexuality.

Charles Silverstein presented the work of many scientists showing that the DSM classification was not consistent with a scientific perspective. Indicating that homosexuality does not even meet the base definition of a mental disorder.

The APA's Nomenclature Committee went through an 11-month process by preparing a report recommending the change in DSM-II. This process was open to any APA member and in the course of the 11 months 78 different experts were called on to present evidence and research. The committee specifically invited the most vocal opponents of the change, Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, and Robert McDevitt, to present research and evidence. While all three attended meetings they presented no research. Instead they chose to complain how the this was a political move not a scientific one.

At the end of this process the APA's Council on Research and Development unanimously recommended deletion of homosexuality from DSM-II. Next, it was taken to the Assembly of District Branches, where it was again approved. The next step was the APA Reference Committee, composed of the heads of the various APA councils and the president-elect. The Reference Committee endorsed the proposal, leaving the approval of the board of trustees at the December meeting as the final step. (Bayer, pp. 132-138)


The APA's Nomenclature Committee went through an 11-month process by preparing a report recommending the change in DSM-II. This process was open to any APA member and in the course of the 11 months 78 different experts were called on to present evidence and research. The committee specifically invited most vocal opponents of the change, Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, and Robert McDevitt, to present research and evidence. While all three attended meetings they presented no research. Instead they chose to complain how the this was a political move not a scientific one.

At the end of this process the APA's Council on Research and Development unanimously recommended deletion of homosexuality from DSM-II. Next, it was taken to the Assembly of District Branches, where it was again approved. The next step was the APA Reference Committee, composed of the heads of the various APA councils and the president-elect. The Reference Committee endorsed the proposal, leaving the approval of the board of trustees at the December meeting as the final step. (Bayer, pp. 132-138)

Then the APA Board of Trustees again invited , Charles Socarides, Irving Bieber, and Robert McDevitt, to present their case a third time on December 10, 1973. Bieber restated the old theories without presenting data to support them. Socarides and McDevitt complained that the change in classification was motivated by politics, not by scientific studies. Socarides and McDevitt were asked once again to present scientific studies supporting their view of homosexuality as a pathology. They could not produce any. Following those presentations, the Board of Trustees met in executive session and voted to approve the removal of homosexuality from DSM-II. (Bayer, pp. 135-138)

Socarides and Bieber poured over the associations by-laws and found a provision designed to provide some democratic control over the association's corporate life, and then forced a petition demanding a referendum of the Association's membership. Amazingly, those who accused the APA of capitulating to political pressure were now themselves forcing a political maneuver and using a loophole in a provision for non-scientific matters to accomplish their end. (Bayer, pp. 141-144)

Have they not learned of the body count attributed to lethal sex practices?

The APA is not a scientific body—it is an activist organization in service to sexual libertinism.

 

[TinMan]

Homosexual sex can't reproduce.

And SEXUAL union, is created by God, to reproduce, 1st and foremost.

And that is why infertile heterosexuals are forbidden to marry.

If you put heterosexual couples on the Island, they will recreate the Species.

If you put homosexual "married" on the Island, the can't reproduce the Species.

Why not? Gay men are fertile. Lesbians are fertile.

So, it does not matter if you don't like this reality, Tinman, as Truth can be like regarding some people.

and the truth is you really can't justify your personal prejudice.

 

[TinMan]

This affirms my point. Its descent is traceable to 1975 when it decided to support the position of the American Psychiatric Association declaring that homosexuality was not a mental illness. That determination, which was reached in 1973, was not based on any new scientific empirical evidence; rather, it was made following years of bullying by radical gay activists.

Empirical evidence from 78 studies showing homosexuality was not a pathology was presented to the nomenclature committee over the course of 11 meetings. The small group trying to claim that homosexuality was a mental illness were asked multiple times to present evidence supporting their position, they couldn't and 50 years later nothing about that has changed.

 

[Behold]

Why not? Gay men are fertile. Lesbians are fertile.

What kind of person teaches that 2 gay men having sex, or 2 gay women having sex, can create a baby, can "reproduce the species".

When is the last time that A Homosexual wanted to have sex with the opposite gender?

@TinMan Do you still not understand that "homosexual" is defined by "same gender sex = lifestyle"?

Did you ever hear a song by K.D Lang, entitled "Constant Craving"
Every heard any music by Melissa Ethredge?

These 2 Gay women, write a lot of lyrics that deal with the Homosexual Obsession lust issue, that is out of control.

So, I would appreciate it if you could at least acknowledge that Gay Sex, can't created a pregnancy.

Unless you ave you not understood that yet ?

 

[TinMan]

What kind of person teaches that 2 gay men having sex, or 2 gay women having sex, can create a baby, can "reproduce the species".

you do understand that gays and lesbians often reproduce don't you? Recent surveys indicate that a third of all same sex couples are raising children together.

When is the last time that A Homosexual wanted to have sex with the opposite gender?

since when is that necessary to produce a child?

@TinMan Do you still not understand that "homosexual" is defined by "same gender sex = lifestyle"?

Did you ever hear a song by K.D Lang, entitled "Constant Craving"
Every heard any music by Melissa Ethredge?

These 2 Gay women, write a lot of lyrics that deal with the Homosexual Obsession lust issue, that is out of control.

So, I would appreciate it if you could at least acknowledge that Gay Sex, can't created a pregnancy.

Constant Cravng is a song about the universal desire for love and finding that one person to build a life with. If a straight woman wrote and performed that i doubt you would be saying it's about lust or saying it just shows how sick and perverted straight women are.

Maybe you need to examine your own obsession with sex and you feel it is all right to project that onto other people.

 

[Behold]

you do understand that gays and lesbians often reproduce don't you?

Not with each other., TinMan

Men with men = no baby, as Homosexuality can't produce a baby.

Women with women = no baby, as Homosexual lifestyle (sex) can't produce a baby.

See, we are talking about THAT Island, not the one you want, that isn't the real one.


Listen again.... Homosexuality (Gay sex, Same Gender) does not reproduce, they recruit.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then why all the discrimination and hate?

What "discrimination and hate"??

That's ALL coming from HATE groups like the "Sisters of Perpetual Induldence" who spread hatred of the Catholic church and Christianity in general.
They MOCK our Lord by doing a Strippers Pole Dance on a Crucifix and grinding their geniytals against the figure eof Christ on the cross.

They do this our of HATRED - but they know thay can get away with it.
Let them tru that with an image of Mohammed and see what happens.
Just ask "Charlie Hebdo" in France . . .

How does a law that allowed medical professionals to discriminate against a minority protect anyone?

HOW are they being "discriminated" against??
Because parent want the right to know if their daughters will have ther perfectly healthy breasts lopped off by a monster - just because they might be going through a phase??

What the Medical profession has become is an abomination.
They are doing irreversble damage to our children and sacrificing them at the altar of "LGBTQ+ Equity". European countried have all BANNED this type og heinous medical practice.

You seem to be the one expressing hate here.

I hate stupidity - and I hate the the ugliness of hate groups like this Dodger drag queens. MOST of all - I hate the utter hypocrisy of the Left and impotent arguments olike YOURS.

Even the Catholic ones?

How is the Chuch a "Hate" group??.

We are taught to love ALL people. We are also taught in Scripture thatr tolerance does NOT include celebrating sin. NOR does it include celebrating hate geroups likew the Ki Klux Klan, the Nazis or the Sisters of Perpetual Infulgence.

I am taught by the Church to PRAY for lost souls like that - NOT to hate them - and certainly not to encourage their sin.

 

[TinMan]

Not with each other., TinMan

Sure they do. Over a third of same sex couples are raising children, where do you think those children are coming from?

Men with men = no baby, as Homosexuality can't produce a baby.

Women with women = no baby, as Homosexual lifestyle (sex) can't produce a baby.

and for a huge number of heterosexuals women with men = no baby. So what

See, we are talking about THAT Island, not the one you want, that isn't the real one.


Listen again.... Homosexuality (Gay sex, Same Gender) does not reproduce, they recruit.

That is a lie born out of hate.

 

[Illuminator]

Empirical evidence from 78 studies showing homosexuality was not a pathology was presented to the nomenclature committee over the course of 11 meetings. The small group trying to claim that homosexuality was a mental illness were asked multiple times to present evidence supporting their position, they couldn't and 50 years later nothing about that has changed.

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been rising among gay and bisexual men, with increases in syphilis being seen across the country. In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men often get other STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections. HPV (Human papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States, is also a concern for gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men. Some types of HPV can cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancers. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to get anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who do not have HIV to get anal cancer.

Of course, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are a bunch of biased homophobes, right TinMan?

 

[TinMan]

What "discrimination and hate"??

Have you read the posts in this thread?

HOW are they being "discriminated" against??
Because parent want the right to know if their daughters will have ther perfectly healthy breasts lopped off by a monster - just because they might be going through a phase??

At the very least please be honest with your responses. The new law in Florida lets medical professionals to refuse to treat or care for LGBT individuals.

If you are traveling in Florida and, God forbid, are in an accident on the highway the paramedics from the ambulance can decide you are a homosexual and refuse to touch you, put you on the stretcher take you to the emergency room. They can legally stand there and watch you die and it is perfectly legal as long as they believe you are LGBT.

THAT is discrimination. That is hate.

 

[TinMan]

Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs)

What does this have to do with the lies you have been posting about homosexuality and the APA?

 

[Illuminator]

Have you read the posts in this thread?

At the very least please be honest with your responses. The new law in Florida lets medical professionals to refuse to treat or care for LGBT individuals.

If you are traveling in Florida and, God forbid, are in an accident on the highway the paramedics from the ambulance can decide you are a homosexual and refuse to touch you, put you on the stretcher take you to the emergency room. They can legally stand there and watch you die and it is perfectly legal as long as they believe you are LGBT.

THAT is discrimination. That is hate.

There is no such law. In fact, gays have MORE rights than straight people. That's why Christians are losing in the courts over silly rights violations.

 

[Illuminator]

What does this have to do with the lies you have been posting about homosexuality and the APA?

The enormous amount of sexually transmitted diseases in the LTBG community is way out of proportion to the rest of the population, a clear and logical indicator that homosexual behavior is unnatural. Want to examine suicide statistics? APA is silent.
St. Mother Teresa established the first hospice for AIDS victims in New York City, 1985. Where was the government???
Is the Missionaries of Charity another hate group?

When Mother Teresa Opened An AIDS Hospice in Greenwich Village - Village Preservation

Mother Teresa, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 for her work among the poor in Calcutta, India, opened an AIDS Hospice in Greenwich Village on Christmas Eve in 1985. Mother Teresa was the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity, a Roman Catholic congregation of women dedicated...

www.villagepreservation.org

 

[Illuminator]

Sure they do. Over a third of same sex couples are raising children, where do you think those children are coming from?

How do two homosexual men, who tell their adopted children that they are their fathers—which is patently untrue—tell these kids that they can’t celebrate Mother’s Day?

How do two lesbians, who tell their adopted children that they are their mothers—which is patently untrue—explain to these kids that they can celebrate Mother’s Day with both of them, knowing full well that their friends have one mom (and a real one at that)?

When it comes to Mother’s Day and Father’s Day, LGBT parents and kids are in a dilemma. Many resort to lying.

Riverview Elementary School in Snohomish, Washington has cancelled Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. Why? Such events, school officials reason, act as “triggers” for students. What about gay pride events at the school? They’re okay. They have even scheduled a drag show for children.

The U.S. Census Bureau reports that Snohomish is a Seattle suburb populated mostly by “well-educated,” wealthy white people. So typical. It’s almost always rich white people who have stayed in school for too long—they are not necessarily well-educated—who succumb to radical ideologies. So it is not surprising that they would want to censor Mother’s Day and Father’s Day.

Most African Americans, Asians and Hispanics will not cancel these days, and neither will working-class whites—just the affluent left-wing white people with college or graduate school degrees.

News stories about two strange celebrities caught in the Mother’s Day quagmire were published May 9.

Marcia Gay Harden bragged that “my children are all queer.” She was quite detailed about her achievement. “My eldest child is nonbinary. My son is gay. My youngest is fluid.” Given the status of her “nonbinary” and “fluid” children, how can she be certain that they will celebrate Mother’s Day with her? After all, they may decide that she is really their father.

Charlize Theron is equally proud of her transgender daughter, who is really her son. She is also big into drag. She recently praised men who dress as women. “We love you queens.” She then threatened to retaliate against those who disapprove. “I will f*** anybody up who’s trying to f*** with anything with you guys.” Brilliant.

Theron has never been married, and she likes it that way. She has been in relationships with many men, including Ryan Reynolds, Stephen Jenkins, Sean Penn and Stuart Toensend. “I never wanted to get married. It was never something important to me.” I,I,I. Never a reference to whether it might be important to her child to have a father. Perhaps she’ll celebrate Mother’s Day by bringing her kid to a drag queen show.

Those pushing transgenderism—the bizarre ideology that falsely claims we can switch our sex—are not interested in tolerance. They want affirmation, and that is not something they are entitled to. Indeed, they should be denied.

Politics should never color Mother’s Day, but those in the forefront of the LGBT movement won’t back off. Neither should we. This is a culture war that has nature on our side. So they can’t win.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Have you read the posts in this thread?

At the very least please be honest with your responses. The new law in Florida lets medical professionals to refuse to treat or care for LGBT individuals.

If you are traveling in Florida and, God forbid, are in an accident on the highway the paramedics from the ambulance can decide you are a homosexual and refuse to touch you, put you on the stretcher take you to the emergency room. They can legally stand there and watch you die and it is perfectly legal as long as they believe you are LGBT.

THAT is discrimination. That is hate.

LYING dordn't boldter your argument.
Lefties ALWAYS resort to LYING when you
an argumewnt.

First of all - any law like the one YOU described is unconstitutional.
There are bills that wull excuse a doctror froom sexually mutilating minors in the name of "gender dysphoria". That not "Hte" - it's responsible medicine.

A doctor should NOT be forced to mutilate confused people - anymore than he should be forced to perform abortiomns.
A medical abomination is a medical abomination.

So, why don't YOU try being honest for a change?

 

[TinMan]

There is no such law.

It’s Now Legal in Florida for Doctors to Deny Health Care to Anyone If They Feel Like It

In fact, gays have MORE rights than straight people.

A fine example of conservatives redefining words.

That's why Christians are losing in the courts over silly rights violations.

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[TinMan]

The enormous amount of sexually transmitted diseases in the LTBG community is way out of proportion to the rest of the population, a clear and logical indicator that homosexual behavior is unnatural. Want to examine suicide statistics? APA is silent.
St. Mother Teresa established the first hospice for AIDS victims in New York City, 1985. Where was the government???
Is the Missionaries of Charity another hate group?

When Mother Teresa Opened An AIDS Hospice in Greenwich Village - Village Preservation

Mother Teresa, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 for her work among the poor in Calcutta, India, opened an AIDS Hospice in Greenwich Village on Christmas Eve in 1985. Mother Teresa was the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity, a Roman Catholic congregation of women dedicated...

www.villagepreservation.org

So it has nothing to do with your repeated lies about the APA

 

[TinMan]

The enormous amount of sexually transmitted diseases in the LTBG community is way out of proportion to the rest of the population, a clear and logical indicator that homosexual behavior is unnatural. Want to examine suicide statistics? APA is silent.

Silent? Another false claim from you.

"LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society." Cumulative minority stress and suicide risk among LGBTQ youth Journal of the APA sept 2021
Gee like having people lie about LGBT issues and People who announce that LGBT individuals are diseased and unnatural.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2021/11/gay-men-lower-suicide
Gay, bisexual men have lower suicide risk in more tolerant countries Hate is a problem...who would have thought

Fewer youth attempt suicide in states with hate crime laws

SO if you are really concerned about suicidal ideation among LGBT individuals you might want to look at how you personally are contributing to that rate.