LGBTQ

[Wrangler]

Like every other citizen, children have the right to due process under the law and the right to counsel.

Including children not born yet but identify as citizens?

 

[Wrangler]

In conclusion, I hope that as a Christian man, you will dedicate your life to a virtuous life.

Amen. @TinMan, what about it? Will you live virtuously and stop promoting homosexual sin?

 

[Behold]

You could have looks at the studies cited and found out just how rather than post this nonsense.

Its in the Library of Congress, exactly as you see it.

"Gay Agenda"...(Homosexual).

And its from '1987... and if you read it, you can see so much of it is now in the culture in the USA

Horrible.

 

[TinMan]

Sorry, again you are assuming your point is true in your argument. All you are really saying is that sexual orientation is not apparent or self-evident. I don't think any of us would argue that orientation is self-evident.

I maintain, however, that a man who claims to be 'G' is making his orientation known.

but you are trying to claim that orientation is behavioral which precludes being apparent.

and if someone comes out and says they are gay I'm sure you can believe him but you don't know if that man has ever had sex. You can't assume he has because there is no way to tell. There is every possibility he has never engaged in same sex behavior which according to you mean he could not possibly be gay.

Sexual orientation is not sexual activity.

I disagree with this also. If a woman's orientation is toward other women, she makes her orientation known when she lies with another woman. If she never slept with another woman, her orientation would remain hidden in the secret recesses of her mind and heart. As your illustration above, rightly demonstrates, orientation can't be known according to normal, everyday activities such as shopping. But I think it is reasonable to ask whether her emotional orientation indicates a longing for love, rather than a desire for sex.

If this woman has "never slept with another woman, her orientation would remain hidden" that means her orientation exists and is there. Hidden or public it still exists and it exists even though she has never engaged in same sex behavior.

At the same time, gay men are well adept at letting other men know their orientation through behavior, ineptly attempting to act like a woman. And again, I think it is reasonable to ask whether gay orientation is not a desire for sex but the desire to be loved by a man.

You need to actually get out and meet some LGBT people

Many people, including straights, mistake the need to be loved with the desire for intimacy. A woman loves another woman and wants to be around her, wants her acceptance, wants to learn from her, and wants an emotional bond with her. In other words, she isn't orientated toward all women, she is orientated toward this particular woman. Not satisfied with the mentor relationship, she seeks a closer bond through intimacy. She is selfish, she wants an exclusive relationship with the beloved. And intimacy is one way to draw that line.

It words the same when a woman is in a "relationship" with a man. She is there just because of her need for intimacy and a desire to be loved. A woman loves a particular man and wants to be around him, wants his acceptance, wants to learn from him, and wants an emotional bond with him but she isn't oriented towards men. Not satisfied with the mentor relationship, she seeks a closer bond through intimacy. She is selfish as she wants an exclusive relationship with that one man.

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

That is what I do as a straight man. I am oriented toward the sanctity of marriage and committed to my wife. If and when I might grow emotionally attached to another woman, I break it off. To seek intimacy from another woman is adultery and I am not going to commit adultery. Understand?

A man who is gay-oriented has the choice to be celibate. A woman who is oriented toward Lesbianism has the choice to remain celibate. A married woman whose husband is fighting overseas for a couple of years has the choice to remain celibate in his absence. We all have a choice.

Because orientation exists without out any sort of behavior.

You are right. I wouldn't look at your evidence. I have read some of it already. The conclusions are based on a faulty premise.

For instance, I read a study that set out to compare the brains of gay men with the brains of straight men. The study concluded that being gay was a genetic trait, which manifested in some men while it didn't manifest in other men. These scientists, either inadvertently or on purpose, forgot about one of the major features of the brain: The brain changes according to the experience of the person.

I think you are referring to the 1992 study Gender and sexual orientation in relation to hypothalamic structures. by Swaab DF, Gooren LJ, Hofman MA.
You have a faulty understanding or that study.
The study looked at a dingle structure of the brain, the hypothomes and found that in gay men one lobe of this area was about twice the size as it is in straight men. It concluded nothing about genetics. Genetics were never even mentioned. If you read the study you would also know in the discussion section the researchers state that it cannot be known from this simple observation if this enlargement was a reason the men were homosexual or if the enlargement was the result of experience.

A gay man isn't gay because he has a gay brain. The brain of a gay man is different because he experienced a lifetime of gay activity. His brain adapted, as it should, to his experiences.

and decades of research has show this to be not the case.

In conclusion, I hope that as a Christian man, you will dedicate your life to a virtuous life.

I believe a virtuous man would look at the evidence.

 

[TinMan]

I dont believe that God would recognize "Gay cheerleading, and Gay agenda preaching, and the condoning of homosexual sex and the promoting of chemical castration of young children into "Transgendered"..," as a Virtuous Life", revealed.

But Tinman will no doubt disagree by pretending that what just wrote is : "hate speech".

wrong again

 

[TinMan]

Including children not born yet but identify as citizens?

Citizenship requires birth.

 

[TinMan]

Its in the Library of Congress, exactly as you see it.

Because the library of congress is the storehouse for the congressional record.

It was read into the congressional record missing the introductory paragraph.

"Gay Agenda"...(Homosexual).

Is just another lie conservatives tell

 

[Behold]

Is just another lie conservatives tell

You are starved for attention again?

You must be, as you just said that the Library Of Congress, that host's the Homosexual's writings, are "lies of the conservatives".

 

[Wrangler]

Including children not born yet but identify as citizens?

Citizenship requires birth.

I see the self-identification does not matter to you.

 

[CadyandZoe]

but you are trying to claim that orientation is behavioral which precludes being apparent.

I maintain that "orientation" is learned not innate. Behavior is a manifestation of orientation.

and if someone comes out and says they are gay I'm sure you can believe him but you don't know if that man has ever had sex. You can't assume he has because there is no way to tell. There is every possibility he has never engaged in same sex behavior which according to you mean he could not possibly be gay.

I am not fooled by the notion that someone is able to identify themselves as something other than what God created. God created male and female. That's it. The rest is just a privation of the psyche.

Sexual orientation is not sexual activity.

Sexual activity is the manifestation of orientation. Nonetheless if a man sleeps with another man, he is manifesting a broken psyche.

If this woman has "never slept with another woman, her orientation would remain hidden" that means her orientation exists and is there. Hidden or public it still exists and it exists even though she has never engaged in same sex behavior.

I am not fooled by the notion that someone is able to identify themselves as something other than what God created. I recognize the difference between what we do and what we are. I am a man. That is what I AM. I make love to my wife; that is what I DO. I am oriented toward women because I don't have a damaged psyche.

You need to actually get out and meet some LGBT people.

I don't pick friends that way. I like interesting people and I like helpful people and I like kind people and I like generous people. I never ask them about sex and if they reveal it to me, I don't change how I treat them. All people are made in the image of God and as such, they deserve dignity and I treat everyone with dignity.

It words the same when a woman is in a "relationship" with a man. She is there just because of her need for intimacy and a desire to be loved. A woman loves a particular man and wants to be around him, wants his acceptance, wants to learn from him, and wants an emotional bond with him but she isn't oriented towards men. Not satisfied with the mentor relationship, she seeks a closer bond through intimacy. She is selfish as she wants an exclusive relationship with that one man.

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

I see how wise it is. I'm bringing the talk down to a human level. We talk categorically but we don't live categorically.

Because orientation exists without out any sort of behavior.

A claim of orientation is empty without behavior.

I think you are referring to the 1992 study Gender and sexual orientation in relation to hypothalamic structures. by Swaab DF, Gooren LJ, Hofman MA.
You have a faulty understanding or that study.
The study looked at a dingle structure of the brain, the hypothomes and found that in gay men one lobe of this area was about twice the size as it is in straight men. It concluded nothing about genetics. Genetics were never even mentioned. If you read the study you would also know in the discussion section the researchers state that it cannot be known from this simple observation if this enlargement was a reason the men were homosexual or if the enlargement was the result of experience.

No. That is not the study I was reading.

and decades of research has show this to be not the case.

I'm sorry to break it to you but you need to be careful. Scientists are liars just like all other men. Science is funded by people who want to hear a particular outcome.

I believe a virtuous man would look at the evidence.

Well, intellectual integrity is a good virtue. I agree.

 

[TinMan]

You are starved for attention again?

You must be, as you just said that the Library Of Congress, that host's the Homosexual's writings, are "lies of the conservatives".

the gay agenda is just a lie

 

[TinMan]

I see the self-identification does not matter to you.

well find me someone who is not born yet so I can ask them to self identify.

 

[TinMan]

I maintain that "orientation" is learned not innate. Behavior is a manifestation of orientation.

Did you have to be taught to be straight?

I am not fooled by the notion that someone is able to identify themselves as something other than what God created. God created male and female. That's it. The rest is just a privation of the psyche.

Sexual activity is the manifestation of orientation. Nonetheless if a man sleeps with another man, he is manifesting a broken psyche.

50 years ago Psychiatrists how held that same opinion were asked, repeatedly, to show evidence to support this. They couldn't.

I am not fooled by the notion that someone is able to identify themselves as something other than what God created. I recognize the difference between what we do and what we are. I am a man. That is what I AM. I make love to my wife; that is what I DO. I am oriented toward women because I don't have a damaged psyche.

no, you were just born that way.

I don't pick friends that way. I like interesting people and I like helpful people and I like kind people and I like generous people. I never ask them about sex and if they reveal it to me, I don't change how I treat them. All people are made in the image of God and as such, they deserve dignity and I treat everyone with dignity.

do you tell your gay friends that they are damaged?

I see how wise it is. I'm bringing the talk down to a human level. We talk categorically but we don't live categorically.

A claim of orientation is empty without behavior.

Why?

No. That is not the study I was reading.


I'm sorry to break it to you but you need to be careful. Scientists are liars just like all other men. Science is funded by people who want to hear a particular outcome.

And that is why legitimately published studies and research goes through a rigorous vetting process to ensure that the findings are accurate.

Well, intellectual integrity is a good virtue. I agree.

Does that mean you will honestly look at the evidence?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Did you have to be taught to be straight?

No, that's the point. Being straight is the natural order. Deviation from the natural order is learned.

50 years ago Psychiatrists how held that same opinion were asked, repeatedly, to show evidence to support this. They couldn't.

What about 100 years ago?

no, you were just born that way.

Your statement is non-sequitur. What do you mean?

do you tell your gay friends that they are damaged?

The issue never comes up. Why? Because they don't define themselves that way. And they never bring it up. I don't talk about my sex life why would they?

Why?

You honestly don't know? I can claim to be Superman, but unless I can fly or bend steel with my bare hands, then my claim is empty.

And that is why legitimately published studies and research goes through a rigorous vetting process to ensure that the findings are accurate.

Your young, you'll grow out of it.

Does that mean you will honestly look at the evidence?

If I looked at the evidence, I would read it sympathetically. But no, I am not interested in reading it. Why? Because any conclusion that orientation is innate is erroneous for obvious reasons. Any orientation that runs contrary to the created order is false. And any so-called science that comes to any other conclusion is not actual science.

 

[TinMan]

No, that's the point. Being straight is the natural order. Deviation from the natural order is learned.

Well that is convenient.

What about 100 years ago?

At that time Sigmund Freud wrote: "Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function.

But that is avoiding the issue. There is no evidence and there never has been that homosexuality is the product of a broken psyche or that it is not natural.

Your statement is non-sequitur. What do you mean?

you were born heterosexual just as some are born homosexual.

The issue never comes up. Why? Because they don't define themselves that way. And they never bring it up. I don't talk about my sex life why would they?

Saying they are broken is not about their sex lives. You believe your gay friends are damaged mentally, don't you care about them enough to inform them?

You honestly don't know? I can claim to be Superman, but unless I can fly or bend steel with my bare hands, then my claim is empty.

You claim to be heterosexual but without behavior its an empty claim.

Your young, you'll grow out of it

If I looked at the evidence, I would read it sympathetically. But no, I am not interested in reading it. Why? Because any conclusion that orientation is innate is erroneous for obvious reasons. Any orientation that runs contrary to the created order is false. And any so-called science that comes to any other conclusion is not actual science.

You won't look at it because you don't want to see something you don't like, which is neither honest or virtuous.

 

[Wrangler]

well find me someone who is not born yet so I can ask them to self identify.

They self-identify as having already told you.

 

[Keturah]

Gay agenda is real !!!!
We do not want to know the deviancy of folks like Linda Perry ( 4 non blondes), Liberace, Rock Hudson, Elton John & many others.
****A private life should be just that PRIVATE.****

This agenda is straight from the evil mind of Satan to steal, kill & destroy. IT is a sin.

These folks as well as others in politics such as Santos, in television, in music, as teachers in schools, in healthcare & every aspect of this life here are against God's standards & his word.

This month June 2023 is "June Teenth" month. Look it up if your ignorant.
" LGBT pride" does NOT DESERVE ANY RECOGNITION !

 

[Wrangler]

You won't look at it because you don't want to see something you don't like, which is neither honest or virtuous.

Says the fool who has immersed himself in sexual sin for so long he's gotten used to it. Comfortable with it. And no longer considers it wrong in anyway.

In fact, you think it is wrong to identify reality properly; (homosexual) sin is bad, evil and against the will of God.

We don't need to look at evidence saying wrong is right.

 

[TinMan]

Gay agenda is real !!!!

Present it.

 

[TinMan]

Says the fool who has immersed himself in sexual sin for so long he's gotten used to it. Comfortable with it. And no longer considers it wrong in anyway.

In fact, you think it is wrong to identify reality properly; (homosexual) sin is bad, evil and against the will of God.

We don't need to look at evidence saying wrong is right.

again neither honest or virtuous