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Keturah

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The more folks express their true self & beliefs the more I am disappointed !
Just bc someone says they are " born again" doesn't make it so.
We are not given to know their repentant or unrepentant heart; only God knows!

Yeah we can see the fruit hanging from the branches but the devil is also a con!
 

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Sister I am not commenting on your own personal experience with the Lord. However, I would like to point out that even Peter erred and had to be corrected by Paul to his face. And Paul wrote of those disciples who abandoned him when he was imprisoned. He also wrote about a believer who was having his father's wife, and about the church that was self righteously tolerating it, which was sin in itself. Should we assume that Peter and those others were not born again? James wrote that "we offend in many ways all" - what are we to do with that?
I have no idea what you are trying to get across here,..sorry @Lizbeth I am n the righteousness of Christ, there is NO SIN in a Born Again, period , one would 100% know this, if they had been birthed in the Spirit....as soon as we are birthed/ regenerated, we are set free from all sin, past ,present and future , my sin is hidden in Christ.....a true born again imo/ belief knows this......the rebirth is a supernatural birth that only the Holy Spirit can do...the only people who understand what I’m talking about when I speak about the rebirth is Behold and Marks...the rest are silent.a true born again knows 100% that the Holy Spirit has taken up residence in their heart / spirit...100% when they have been spiritually birthed.my belief.

Lizbeth, I did ask you about the behaviour of members ,with their personal remarks to which you completely dismissed my question....I even posted God’s word about arguing......look back Sister and you will see that you never answered my question.....

When I was birthed and set free from sin by the Holy Spirit...the burden of sin was no longer mine it was on Jesus...he took all of my sin when he was nailed to the cross.....that’s how I was able to be birthed in the Spirit, because Jesus died for my sin.....and I didn’t even know I was in sin...not until I was birthed in the Spirit...this is my testimony and belief 100% and it will never change.

My faith is also a living faith.....God’s word is Alive in my heart...and I’m sure I err at times like we all do.

I can only be taught by the Holy Spirit and he teaches me much through Behold....I waited a long time for a teacher like this that I truly understand..he is most definitely a Born Again....imo and belief.....and I 100% believe Behold theology.....and Marks......
 
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The more folks express their true self & beliefs the more I am disappointed !
Don't be-remember Paul and Peter and their strong disagreement-but you are correct in the expressing of the ego eimi-who is truly on the throne, and pride lurking everywhere.
Stay strong, we need to encourage one another but sharply rebuke erroneous beliefs and doctrines.
We ourselves are also in need of correction since I don't know it all, but what I do know, I'll gladly share to the edification of others and for the glory of Christ Jesus, boasting excluded.
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Yes I agree, we all are fallible! We all need proper correction & instruction from God's Spirit & fellow-citizens of the household of faith.

 But, to see this breaks my trust in folks......." ....i know there are people that don't or won't believe your posts but to me they are spot on! Keep up the good work.". . by someone who holds to this
OP' s posts. I won't name the poster.
 
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Yes I agree, we all are fallible! We all need proper correction & instruction from God's Spirit & fellow-citizens of the household of faith.

 But, to see this breaks my trust in folks......." ....i know there are people that don't or won't believe your posts but to me they are spot on! Keep up the good work.". . by someone who holds to this
OP' s posts. I won't name the poster.
From Pearl to Behold-do you believe the same way-that behold is correct?
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From Pearl to Behold-do you believe the same way-that behold is correct?
Johann.
I absolutely Do not believe Behold's theology.........he is a 1 trick pony.
BTW....thanks for doing what I did not want done !
 
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I absolutely Do not believe Behold's theology.........
BTW....thanks for doing what I did not want done !
My apologies, for putting you in the cross-hairs of Behold-and praise our great God and Savior Christ Jesus for the discernment you have, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened-
Eph 1:16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers,
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Eph 1:18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might
Eph 1:20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Eph 1:22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church,

Eph 1:23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

An aside, I am a mean chess player-and always think 4-5 moves ahead, and I want to leave a legacy behind when I'm gone-The fact that I don't want to be remembered as a "common Christian" but rather "Un-common" and that I lived what I have preached as far as it was humanly possible with the indwelling Holy Spirit and His aid.

Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.


Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Again, my apology for putting you on the spot @Keturah
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Lol, it wouldn't bother me if everyone put me on ignore.....lol
 
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A heretic teaches : "work out your Salvation, means... produce fruit, self effort and obedience as your own Sanctification".., as if you are saving yourself by doing it.
and ? you seem to be patting your self on the back.. btw once again i am fully aware of what a heretic is
 
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You don't even know what my ministry is, and whatever you post is flying over my head.
Matter of fact, I have lost all respect for you as a person.
Let's just stay out of each others way since I notice psychopathic behavioral patterns.
I'll make it easier on both of us, and put you on ignore should you continue with your irrational rhetoric's.
Johann.
overlook him
 
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I have a Thread or 2 here on the forum....regarding "work out your salvation"

Let me condense... for you Ezra.

A heretic teaches : "work out your Salvation, means... produce fruit, self effort and obedience as your own Sanctification".., as if you are saving yourself by doing it.

A.) Paul teaches that "working out your Salvation" is to understand that you have it...that its the "Gift of Salvation" that God gave you, as the "gift of Righteousness"..= .when you trusted in Christ and your "faith was counted as righteousness".

Being born again is the only proof you have God's Salvation.

This means, that now HAVING God's Salvation, as your REDEMPTION< that is created by the Blood Atonement being "imputed" to you by God........you now learn how to exist IN the Salvation God provided = by renewing your mind, and living as "walking in the Spirit".
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Work out (katergazesthe). Perfective use of kata (down) in composition, work on to the finish. This exhortation assumes human free agency in the carrying on the work of one’s salvation.

With fear and trembling (meta phobou kai tromou). “Not slavish terror, but wholesome, serious caution” (Vincent). “A nervous and trembling anxiety to do right” (Lightfoot). Paul has no sympathy with a cold and dead orthodoxy or formalism that knows nothing of struggle and growth. He exhorts as if he were an Arminian in addressing men. He prays as if he were a Calvinist in addressing God and feels no inconsistency in the two attitudes. Paul makes no attempt to reconcile divine sovereignty and human free agency, but boldly proclaims both.
"work out your salvation" This verb is a mathematical term used of a problem brought to its conclusion. Its form is present middle (deponent) imperative plural.

Verses 12-13 have been the focus of much theological discussion relating to the sovereignty of God, which is emphasized in Phil. 2:13 (cf. Phil. 1:6), and the free will of human persons which is called on in Phil. 2:12. The term "salvation" in Phil. 2:12

1. refers to a believer's spiritual relationship with Christ. Paul has just mentioned becoming a Christian in Phil. 2:9-10. This is another example of the tension between sovereignty and free-will, both initial and ongoing (cf. Phil. 2:16)

2. does not refer to eternal spiritual salvation, but either to

a. OT "physical deliverance"

b. "wholeness," as it does in Phil. 1:19

This aspect of salvation as "wholeness" can also be seen in Acts 4:10; 14:9; 27:34. The initiating grace of God and the required faith response of a repentant human are clearly seen in Eph. 2:8-9. Obviously, believers do not work for their salvation, but after they are saved, they cooperate with the Spirit to live in Christlike maturity (cf. Phil. 2:14-17; Eph. 2:10; 5:18). Salvation is all of God and totally free but it requires an active, costly, repentant, continuing faith response (cf. Matt. 13:44-46).

-which you are in denial of Behold.


The context militates against an individualistic interpretation because the "your" in Phil. 2:12, "you" in Phil. 2:13, and all the verbs are plural, which refers to the entire Philippian church, not to an individual's spiritual salvation. If it did refer to spiritual salvation it is corporate (cf. Phil. 1:28) and progressive (cf. 1 Cor. 1:18;15:2; 2 Cor. 2:15). The thrust of the passage may have been to encourage them to trust in God's presence and purpose for the church at Philippi (cf. Gal. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:2).


Emphasizes that obedience is intentional and purposeful. Paul’s point is that salvation, once received, must be put into practice through obedience.
Work Out Your Salvation LRC:p
Refers to reverence and awe before God (compare 1 Cor 2:3; 2 Cor 7:15; Eph 6:5). Paul’s imagery is derived from similar language used in the ot (e.g., Exod 15:16; Isa 19:16).
2:13 God’s transforming presence empowers believers to live in faithful obedience to His will. Compare Phil 1:6.
2:14 Expressions of discontentment and arguing lead to a spirit of division within a community of believers. Paul commands the Philippians to abandon such things so as to promote unity.

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016), Php 2:12–14.

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Sinners are to Confess.

The Born again are "in Christ" and there is no sin found there.

See, you can't be "made righteous", as "the righteousness of God in Christ" and have sin.
This is written to the CHURCH, bro:

Jas 5:14-16

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.


1Jo 1:7-10

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
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This is written to the CHURCH, bro:

Jas 5:14-16

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.


1Jo 1:7-10

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Unfortunately, for him, he made a lot of blunders today, and he needs prayers.
Be ready for a redefinition and eisegesis on 1 John 1:7-10.
Shalom sister.
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Some sites have a notification bell that dings even when you are not on the said site. Not just a notification on your home screen.
Never happened to me, most of the time I stumble on some of my posts and find it was answered, no notification-not even a "ding"
Strange, but thank you for the clarification sister.
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