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Luke 1
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

His Name is Jesus! Thank you for refuting Kingdom Hall again!
God = YHWH(Jehovah)- 0 doubt in all creation. You must have missed this reality in the OT because you use an altered version altered by satans will.--Isaiah 44:6-- I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God. Isaiah 42:8--YHWH(Jehovah) is my name.
 
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No because Jesus Christ is Lord (read Yahweh). We have to call upon the name of Jesus in faith to be saved. You can call Yahweh all life long and never end up saved!

Sorry but it is the name Jesus that saves not Yahweh!

remember this verse for god will remind you of it over and over again:

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

YOu nitpick over the name Yahweh not being included but in every bible I ever bought, they clearly state that Lord= Yahweh. Yet you swallow a camel by accepting the Watchtowers lie that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead and thus keep you from being saved!

It is the name Jesus that matters now! And if you chose not to abandon basic grammar skills, you would see that in both Actrs and Romans Lord=Yahweh=Jesus. Both contexts are all about Jesus!

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord(Yaahweh), to the glory of God the Father.
The real Jesus sends his followers to his Father=YHWH(Jehovah) --Remember--I am the way, truth and life no one comes to the Father but through me= the Father is ones destination. To accomplish this-24/7,365= John 4:22-24
Isaiah 44:6- I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God--Isaiah 42:8- YHWH(Jehovah) is my name.
Joel 2:21-22-Those who call on the name of YHWH(Jehovah) will be saved--quoted in NT at Acts 2:21( verse 16 proves it) and Romans 10:13-- The real bible translation is NOT telling one to call on the name Jesus.
 

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Its you twisting it.
Quoting Scripture is not twisting it. I quoted many Scriptures. Want more?

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

No twisting whatsoever!
 

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Its you twisting it.

See the words -THROUGH HIM= Another who had the power created those things-THROUGH Jesus.
I don't have to twist anything. I have plenty of Scripture to quote!

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Jesus is God!
 
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God = YHWH(Jehovah)- 0 doubt in all creation. You must have missed this reality in the OT because you use an altered version altered by satans will.--Isaiah 44:6-- I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God. Isaiah 42:8--YHWH(Jehovah) is my name.
All of our Bibles are from Satan? You must have learned that at Kingdom Hall! Even the NWT says Jesus is God! NWT John 20!
 

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Quoting Scripture is not twisting it. I quoted many Scriptures. Want more?

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

No twisting whatsoever!
And i showed you many scriptures that say Jesus has a God just like us. Gods bible does not teach 2 different truths. The altered and error filled trinity translations do.
 

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God = YHWH(Jehovah)- 0 doubt in all creation. You must have missed this reality in the OT because you use an altered version altered by satans will.--Isaiah 44:6-- I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God. Isaiah 42:8--YHWH(Jehovah) is my name.
I don't think you're a Hebrew expert. All of our Bibles clearly say Jesus is God!

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
 

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I don't have to twist anything. I have plenty of Scripture to quote!

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Jesus is God!
Obeisance is the correct usage for Jesus=Gods appointed king--God was already king. Jesus had to be appointed--Listen to reality.
 

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And i showed you many scriptures that say Jesus has a God just like us. Gods bible does not teach 2 different truths. The altered and error filled trinity translations do.
Why can't the Father be Jesus's God?
 

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Obeisance is the correct usage for Jesus=Gods appointed king--God was already king. Jesus had to be appointed--Listen to reality.
Again you evade Scripture! "to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever"
 

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All of our Bibles are from Satan? You must have learned that at Kingdom Hall! Even the NWT says Jesus is God! NWT John 20!
John 20 would never teach Jesus is God, nor would there be a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 when John who would listen to Jesus, knows 100% John 17:3-Jesus taught-The Father = THE ONLY TRUE GOD. And Jesus is 100% correct.
 

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John 20 would never teach Jesus is God, nor would there be a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 when John who would listen to Jesus, knows 100% John 17:3-Jesus taught-The Father = THE ONLY TRUE GOD. And Jesus is 100% correct.
As usual your argument is, 'the Bible is wrong and you are right'. JW's own Bible says you're WRONG!

NWT John 20 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
 

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Again you evade Scripture! "to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever"
Error to mislead. Error to fit false council teachings. The protestants, once able to read the bible= 1300,s--Ran from Catholicism because their own translating clearly show, Jesus was not with them--If Jesus wasn't with them, guess who was? Yet you won't believe errors were put in to mislead. You will lose, best to believe Jesus like in the teachings i showed.
 

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Error to mislead. Error to fit false council teachings. The protestants, once able to read the bible= 1300,s--Ran from Catholicism because their own translating clearly show, Jesus was not with them--If Jesus wasn't with them, guess who was? Yet you won't believe errors were put in to mislead. You will lose, best to believe Jesus like in the teachings i showed.
How do you possibly believe you're qualified to declare all our Bibles are in error and Satanic? How long did you say you 'studied' at Kingdom Hall?
 
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No because Jesus Christ is Lord (read Yahweh). We have to call upon the name of Jesus in faith to be saved. You can call Yahweh all life long and never end up saved!
You “read Yahweh” because someone told you that ”Lord” means only “Yahweh”? It does not. Who was it that told you...? Not God...not Christ.
“Lord” is a title of respect, not a name. Throughout the scriptures, often those called “Lord” were just ordinary humans. It is akin to calling someone “Sir” or “Master”.

Often the designation “Lord” denotes one who has ownership or authority and power over people or things. (Gen 42:30; Acts 25:26).
This title was used by Sarah to her husband, (Gen 18:12; 1 Peter 3:6) also by children to their fathers in ancient times, so it appears as a title of respect, also addressed to people in prominent positions, public officials, prophets, and kings. Where do you get the idea that "Lord" is only used for Yahweh?
You demonstrate once again how little research you actually do to expand what you think you know.....which so far isn't much.
Sorry but it is the name Jesus that saves not Yahweh!
That is not what the scriptures teach. ”Calling on the name of the Lord” depending on context, can mean either the Lord Jesus, or the Sovereign Lord Yahweh who sent him to become the savior of mankind.
Joel 2:31-32…..
“The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood
Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.
32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said,
The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

In every instance the divine name is used in the Hebrew text.

From the Tanakh....
The sun shall turn to darkness, and the moon to blood, prior to the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. דהַשֶּׁ֙מֶשׁ֙ יֵהָפֵ֣ךְ לְחֹ֔שֶׁךְ וְהַיָּרֵ֖חַ לְדָ֑ם לִפְנֵ֗י בּוֹא י֣וֹם יְהֹוָ֔ה הַגָּד֖וֹל וְהַנּוֹרָֽא:
5 And it shall come to pass that whoever shall call in the name of the Lord shall be delivered, for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be a deliverance, as the Lord said, and among the survivors whom the Lord invites. הוְהָיָ֗ה כֹּ֧ל אֲשֶׁר־יִקְרָ֛א בְּשֵׁ֥ם יְהֹוָ֖ה יִמָּלֵ֑ט כִּ֠י בְּהַר־צִיּ֨וֹן וּבִירֽוּשָׁלִַ֜ם תִּֽהְיֶ֣ה פְלֵיטָ֗ה כַּֽאֲשֶׁר֙ אָמַ֣ר יְהֹוָ֔ה וּבַ֨שְּׂרִידִ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר יְהֹוָ֖ה קֹרֵֽא:
Rom 10:13…
"For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.
It's a direct quote from Joel 2:32, so the ambiguous title “Lord” is correctly translated "Jehovah" in the NWT because the divine name belongs in God's own word in all the places where HE put it.....almost 7,000 times to be exact. "Jehovah" is the English translation of Yahweh. God knows his name in all languages.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Have you really read what this scripture is saying? God highly exalted himself???
And gave himself a name that is above every name? How does God given himself a name that is higher than the one he already has? (Psalm 83:18)
“In the name of Jesus” many things were accomplished….so, as a mark of respect we will bow in obeisance to our Lord and Savior, but when every tongue confesses that “Jesus is Lord”…it is "to the glory of God the Father"…not the son.
YOu nitpick over the name Yahweh not being included but in every bible I ever bought, they clearly state that Lord= Yahweh. Yet you swallow a camel by accepting the Watchtowers lie that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead and thus keep you from being saved!
You know that is not true. The title "Lord" is not exclusive to Yahweh, as you have been shown numerous times. Someone is swallowing a camel but it isn’t us. The Bible does not say that Christ “physically rose from the dead” it says he was raised “in the spirit” (1 Pete 3:18)…that is, in spirit form to enable his return to the spirit realm from which he came.
John 8:23; 42...
"He went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world." . . . ."Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me."

Jesus "came from God"......was "sent" by the one he called "the only true God" (John 17:3).
It is the name Jesus that matters now! And if you chose not to abandon basic grammar skills, you would see that in both Actrs and Romans Lord=Yahweh=Jesus. Both contexts are all about Jesus!

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord(Yaahweh), to the glory of God the Father.
You have missed the point entirely by clinging to a doctrine that the Bible does not even talk about.
You are rewriting scripture to fit your beliefs.
Jesus is never called "Yahweh" in any verse of the Bible, but you people like to infer that it does. Will you stake your life on that?
Please show us one direct statement that has either Yahweh or his son confessing to be parts of the same God.
Just one will do.....one that requires no twisting to infer what it has never said.
 

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NWT John 20 28 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

Amen Thomas! Jesus is my God also.
 

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The real Jesus sends his followers to his Father=YHWH(Jehovah) --Remember--I am the way, truth and life no one comes to the Father but through me= the Father is ones destination. To accomplish this-24/7,365= John 4:22-24
Isaiah 44:6- I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( not we) there is no other God--Isaiah 42:8- YHWH(Jehovah) is my name.
Joel 2:21-22-Those who call on the name of YHWH(Jehovah) will be saved--quoted in NT at Acts 2:21( verse 16 proves it) and Romans 10:13-- The real bible translation is NOT telling one to call on the name Jesus.
Of course Jesus leads us to the Father. that is not in question here.

You forget the first part of Isaiah 44:6 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts Both Father and Jesus are called Yahweh! to take half a verse and argue it is dishonest.

Now read Acts 4 and the quote from Peter:

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

It is in the name of Jesus alone that men can be saved! Call on the name Yahweh all you wish, but God the Father will not answer you for salvation until you call upon in faith the name of Jesus and believe in you rheart He was physically raised from the dead.

You have been lied to for so many years that you cannot see that Jesus is Yahweh teh son and we must call upon HIs name alone to be saved!

You cited Romans 10 earlier , lets look at it in its context:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It is the name Jesus that men must call upon! If you wish to argue Lord means Yahweh in the NT (which it was not written in Greek that way) then you have to face that Jesus is Yahweh as it says in Is. 44.
 

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You “read Yahweh” because someone told you that ”Lord” means only “Yahweh”? It does not. Who was it that told you...? Not God...not Christ.
“Lord” is a title of respect, not a name. Throughout the scriptures, often those called “Lord” were just ordinary humans. It is akin to calling someone “Sir” or “Master”.

Often the designation “Lord” denotes one who has ownership or authority and power over people or things. (Gen 42:30; Acts 25:26).
This title was used by Sarah to her husband, (Gen 18:12; 1 Peter 3:6) also by children to their fathers in ancient times, so it appears as a title of respect, also addressed to people in prominent positions, public officials, prophets, and kings. Where do you get the idea that "Lord" is only used for Yahweh?
You demonstrate once again how little research you actually do to expand what you think you know.....which so far isn't much.
Yes Lord is "kurios" in the Greek and nearly all times is Yahweh in the Hebrew. But what you will never learn because the Watchtower would forbid you to read it is that when Kurios is used as a title it means a deity! the Cesar's were considered divine- the sons of the gods. An imitation of the one Son who is divine and the Son of the God!
That is not what the scriptures teach. ”Calling on the name of the Lord” depending on context, can mean either the Lord Jesus, or the Sovereign Lord Yahweh who sent him to become the savior of mankind.
Joel 2:31-32…..
“The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood
Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.
32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said,
The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

In every instance the divine name is used in the Hebrew text.
Not since Jesus arrived!

Acts 4 makes that clear:

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Romans 10 also makes it clear:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It is Jesus alone we must call on to be saved! the name Jesus is above all names in this age!

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

It pleases the Father that the name Jesus is exalted above all names now!

The word other was added by pseudo scholars who know no Greek or Hebrew and intentionally alters what was originally inspired by God
 

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Jesus being God of the Bible is absolute Scripture!

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
 
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Jesus being God of the Bible is absolute Scripture!

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
The sad fact is they do not see this truth in SCripture- the phony Greek and Hebrew Scholars they say translated the NWT rewrote teh original to say this monstrosity:

5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?k And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?l 6 But when he again brings his Firstbornm into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”*7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers*n a flame of fire.”o 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your thronep forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed youq with the oil of exultation more than your companions

46 of the 47 English iterations of the Bible have Jesus being Oh, god! So doesn't the Greek.

Even more emphatic is that the "o" is the definite article in the Greek which makes Jesus THE GOD!
 
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