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[dadman]

MAN !!!! .... you got a rip a lot of pages from the Bible in order to hold that view

IE: .... And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them ..... And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works ..... And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works .... And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death .... And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire ........ Revelation 20:11-14




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[dadman]

1 Corinthians 15:22: "As in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."
Despite all of us being cursed with the original sin of Adam, Christ has came to the world to make everyone alive through Him.
We will all be saved from the wages of sin, death, and be alive with Christ for all time!
1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"
God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone.
Because God will save everyone!

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name ..... John 1:12

 

[dadman]

Romans 5:18: "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men."
You can not get any more exact than that. Everyone condemned by the original sin of Adam will be saved through the righteousness of Christ’s death.
Romans 11:32: "For God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all."
Even though we have all sinned against God, He will still have mercy on all of us because of His Love for all creation. All people will be saved.

What I (Jesus) tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops .... And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell ...... Matthew 10:27-28

This is what I will "preach ye upon the housetops"

 

[dadman]

A Plan for Dying in Your Sins .. John 8:21–30
Four Ways to Miss Heaven .. John 8:21–30
Four Marks of a Hell-Bound Man .. John 8:21–30

 

[M3n0r4h]

I do believe that the Devil and His Fallen Angel Demons exist, though ... I believe they too will eventually become believers in Christ to be washed of their many sins and thus made righteous.

I find the Universal Salvation by Christ to be very accurate to God's Holy Word. God bless my friend :)

the only way possible for someone to believe something like that is for them to have next to zero understanding of the Bible.

nobody, and I do mean nobody, who studies the Bible on their own would come to such a conclusion.

what you don't even realize that you are subscribing to, and preaching, is the concept of God creating unthinking, unfeeling, robots ... that have no will and no ability to make decisions for themselves.

that is diametrically opposed to what God desires from mankind.

I'm sorry, but it is the furthest thing from Biblical there could be.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Luke 19:10 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: σῶσαι τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: and to save that which was lost.

John 6:12 V-ASM-3S
GRK: μή τι ἀπόληται
NAS: so that nothing will be lost.

John 6:39 V-ASA-1S
GRK: μοι μὴ ἀπολέσω ἐξ αὐτοῦ
NAS: that He has given Me I lose nothing,

John 12:25 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολλύει αὐτήν καὶ
NAS: his life loses it, and he who hates

John 18:9 V-AIA-1S
GRK: μοι οὐκ ἀπώλεσα ἐξ αὐτῶν
NAS: You have given Me I lost not one.



That's a lot of verses. Point is, they are "losing" something. But, to lose something, means it's a possession that's seperate to yourself. Let's say I lost my wallet. Am I completely lost? No, I'm right here. But my wallet, where is it? This is a seperate object that is lost!

But let's say I'm lost. Like, I was walking around, you know... looking for my wallet! And bam! I suddenly have no idea where I am! So, yeah I'm lost. But I'm not "destroyed". Maybe my sense of ego for thinking I knew the place like the back of my hand is destroyed LOL. But, I'm still there, still standing, still talking.

So I shout out "I'm lost!". Maybe, later, some random translators come and decide to put what I said in a book of sorts. So they translated what I say as Apollumi.

So I have been Apollumi-ed. I have been fully destroyed! That's what those English Bible translators would say to expressiosn of being lost.

So when a person's soul and body enters into the physical location Gehenna, something is certainly lost. Their phyiscal life for sure. But, the refinement of God is the process of them losing their sins too! A person may be lost for a while, but they are never lost permanently!

Luke 15:4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? (ESV)

And I will point out this verse amongst that list
Luke 15:6 V-RPA-ANS
GRK: μου τὸ ἀπολωλός
NAS: my sheep which was lost!'

The sheep was lost! The sheep was Apollumi-ed. "The sheep was destroyed!" is what some Bible translators may write LOL. But, that sheep is still standing, it's just lost.



Hey, speaking of still talking. (I'm glad you're still reading).

7) Destruction is a process.

Check this out:

Luke 8:24 V-PIM-1P
GRK: Ἐπιστάτα ἐπιστάτα ἀπολλύμεθα ὁ δὲ
NAS: Master, we are perishing! And He got

Luke 15:17 V-PIM-1S
GRK: λιμῷ ὧδε ἀπόλλυμαι
NAS: bread, but I am dying here

Hey! Perishing? So, getting destroying. If this person is being "destroyed" then how can they still talk. If destruction is suppposed to be 100% permanent for their whole self, then how are they still having this conversation? They shouldn't be able to talk at all, if we assume the English definition of destroy to mean Annihlationism.

Revelation 18:14 V-AIM-3S
GRK: τὰ λαμπρὰ ἀπώλετο ἀπὸ σοῦ
NAS: and splendid have passed away from you and [men] will no longer

Passed away! Here's a question. If a person passes away, what happens to them? Well, there's an afterlife, hopefully us Christian Universalists and the Christian Infernalists can agree on that (hopefully lol).

Ask an atheist what happens when someone passes away, they might say "destroyed!". But us Christians know that someone who passes away is not fully destroyed, their soul and body is still there.

So yes, we will all pass away, we will all be Apollumi-ed, our soul and body will all be "fully destroyed". Leaving only refined gold in it's place! Amen, God bless my friends

yes, nothing and no one will be lost "of those that the Father has given Christ."

nowhere will you find scripture that says that every human will be saved.

that is just ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Nancy]

Those who have done good? Who has done good? Certainly, I have not done good, because I am a sinner.

Romans 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh;

Therefore, let the person who is without evil be the first to say that those who are evil will be resurrected to damnation. Because, either we're all saved and go to Heaven, or none of are saved and we are damned. And since there are few of us who are saved right now, then therefore, eventually all will be saved

Certainly, there is punishment for people who commit sins. But does this punishment last forever? No. Because all people will eventually believe in Christ to be made clean by His blood, which washes away all our evil. Only with the Holy Spirit inside of us are we truly capable of producing good works after salvation.

Hello Harold!
We do not ever (meaning Christians) and will NEVER "pay" for our sins to be right in God's eyes as, Jesus took the full penalty for the sins of the whole world, and gave us this enormous, very costly gift to us. Like you basically said in the first sentence- Only God is good... Once we have His righteousness and forgiveness as we MUST repent! And be baptized in His Name.
There is no way that any human other than Christ could ever pay for their sins...we are not the perfect Lambs, with no blemish and a constant union with The Father...we are a fallen species no matter how we see each other on the "outside" Only God can see man's heart. What The Holy Spirit has shown me over the years is that, the human heart is evil, always. Our "good works" without faith in Christ are as filthy rags to God.
He loves us regardless and wants ALL MEN to come to repentance. Submitting every single thing to Him is the only way that He can fill us with Himself :)
It's amazing what He does when we honestly and actually submit! It's awesome.
God bless

 

[Nancy]

```Amos 5:4 For Yahweh says to the house of Israel: “Seek me, and you will live; (WEB) ```

The YHWH God Is real. What were we created for? To live? Why would God destroy that original purpose.

Genesis 2:7. When the breath of life is breathed into a creature, they become a living creature.

Thus, we must obtain the Holy Spirit of Permanent Life, all will by faith in Christ, who’s blood blots out the consequence of death for all sins.

That is why live: וִֽחְיֽוּ׃ (wiḥ·yū) Strong's 2421: means to live and to revive. Everyone will be resurrected thus in glorified bodies.

"What were we created for?"

Wonderful question!! Someone should make a thread on this.
IMHO we were created to trust and obey and worship Him, magnify Him through our lives, give thanksgiving, even for the bad things that come our way.
Originally there were no
bad" things until Adam and Eve were both in disobedience. So, God had a contingency plan!! YAY!
And that plan was His Perfect Sinless Son, Jesus our LORD and savior

 

[Jn1.Chris]

My own biological mother threw a Bible verse I had written into the garbage. I was crying when I was talking to her today. She does not believe in Christian Universalism. My own biological father does not believe in Christian Universalism either.



At my desk, she saw me peacefully writing a Bible verse by myself. She got upset. She called me “crazy”, “weird”, “not normal” because I spread these papers in public. She is against me talking to people online about this too, like on Discord. She says she does not want to be friends with a person who writes Bible verses like I do. She commands me stop evangelizing; I will not stop.



She called it a waste of time, over and over again. She says other people have their own religious beliefs, so I should not interfere. She says this should be kept inside only church buildings.



But how will those outside these buildings hear this good news? That person she mentioned, on Discord, became converted to Christian Universalism because I talked with them. So, it’s not a waste. Those dozens of papers I wrote, well, my mother read one, so it was not a waste. And my younger sister became a Christian Universalist too.



So, I showed her this verse, which I show to you too my friends :)

```Psalm 105:1 Oh give thanks to the Lord; call upon his name; make known his deeds among the peoples! (ESV). ```



When people online insult me, it hurts. When my own mother insults me, it hurts even more.



Even still, I still love her. Please Father, forgive her.

Why is this good news? If everyone is saved then why even bother 'getting saved'? I mean...yes serving God is enjoyable/good and we are rewarded for it but if everyone goes why would I end my life of pleasurable sin APART from God when I know that when I die I will be in paradise?


"Hey friend! hear the good news! God loves you! Accept Christ as Lord, believe, and be with Him in Paradise forever...or just ignore what I'm saying because you're going there anyway!" Not trying to mock you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus preached BELIEVE YE IN ME , not univesalism .
Preach not damanation to the people and abandon not the one true gospel that does save .
Preach JESUS CHRIST , cause HE DOES SAVE . Any and all who reject Him will face the lake of fire on the day of judgment .

 

[Nancy]

My mother, sister and I were crying. Today, July 6 2023, my mother told us that for her mammogram… they found something. She’s scheduled for another appointment July 18 2023. We’re worried she may have breast cancer.



Even after telling me this bad news, she continued telling me to stop writing Bible verses. I love her… but I will not stop.

```Acts 5:29 “Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.” ``` (KJB)



I know I wanted her to stop preventing me from spreading the good news that all will become believers in Christ. But please, Father, not like this…

SO sorry about your mom, I pray everything will turn out okay for her. Prayers!

 

[Nancy]

My mother says she feels pain in her right breast and in her right hand. The one who did her mammogram asked my mother the name of her doctor so they could send a written note. We are preparing for her possible death.



```James 4:14 ESV Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. ```



We discussed who gets the share of her assets, her will, how to be buried, her cooking recipes, what sort of casket she likes, etc. If you told me I would be making these preparations a few days ago, I may not have believed you.



She warned us there are women who may want to marry my father in order to divorce him and get half our assets. As well, to take off her ring before burial so funeral staff do not commit the sin of stealing it. Exodus 20:15.



While my sister and I stayed with her, she talked about how life is short and fragile. Yet, she has continued to tell me to stop spreading the Bible. Though I love her, I will continue telling people to believe in Christ to be saved.



Yet… our lives are so short. Is that really enough time to come to such a big decision as to believe? In Numbers One:1,18,2022,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,45 it refers to those “twenty years old and upwards” as the age of consent, like for consensus or war.



Many don’t even live that long! Yet, are they doomed to endless torture or permanent destruction because biologically their brain has not fully developed?



In fact, when does our brain EVER fully develop?



How memory and thinking ability change with age - Harvard Health



Harvard Medical School states that “scientists now see the brain as continuously changing and developing across the entire life span”. What if someone’s brain has not biologically changed in a way that makes the idea of becoming a believer in Christ appealing?



Today marks day 4 of the hottest day recorded on Earth. External factors like heat due to climate change also affect someone’s cognitive functions. Many are too busy living paycheck-to-paycheck, what time is there for them to even learn the basics of Christianity?



To deny post-mortem salvation is cruel, unjust and unbiblical. Psalm 16:10. Acts 2:27. All in the realm of the dead, Sheol/Hades, will eventually become believers in Christ and thus be saved.

I am so sorry to hear this Harold. When it is unexpected, it can throw you. I ask God to bring peace and limit any suffering for your mom.

My guess is that she just does not want you teaching "Universalism"...is she a Christian?

 

[Nancy]

Hi Nancy

Thanks for the reply. A lot has been going on, so it's hard to keep up with everything.

My mother says that she is a Christian though, that she believes in God. So I will take her word for it.

Honestly, I used to think that she was just against me teaching the "Universalism" aspect of Christian Universalism, since she's not a Christian Universalist. That would be the simpler answer. But reality is often stranger than fiction. She's told me she does not want me to write Bible verses in general. So even if I were to promote non Christian Universalism theology, it seems she would still be against it. It's very odd...

Sounds like she simply fears for your safety. Yet, we were promised persecution.
You do what you must do. I think handing out scripture is wonderful!

 

[Jay Ross]

yea, everybody gets to heaven and the GWTR, but few are invited to actually see the rest of the place, everybody else are shown the lake of fire.

 

[Jack]

Satan loves it when his messengers convince people that there is no eternal fire.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

My earthly father told me that he was emailing a man who was laughing about a funny video and then immediately the next day this man suddenly died of kidney failure.



Ecclesiastes 9:2 Everyone will die someday (NIRV)



Many people will die today www.worldometers.info says around ~150,000.



Ecclesiastes 9:2 Everyone shares the same fate (NETB)



But what is this fate? For all to die in Adam and thus for all to be made alive in Christ. For all sinners to become believers in Christ. Thus, our fate is shared, both in death and in life afterwards. And because some have been saved Ephesians 2:8-9, all will be saved.

IOW, you pick the parts of the Bible you like and IGNORE the parts you don't like.

Revelation 20
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack.

I think you're ignoring something very important from that verse. Specifically, where does it say that those who are cast into the lake of fire are there forever? I do not deny the existence of the Lake of Fire, nor do I deny the Book of Life my friend.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Lam 3:31-33 For men are not cast off by the Lord forever.

All punishment by the Lord is correctional. All people's names will eventually be written in the Book of Life. Just because their names are not there for a moment, does not mean that their names are not there forever. Everybody will become believers in Christ and be saved

If you are wrong you may be leading people to Hell. That won't go well for you on Judgment Day.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be who find it.

 

[Jack]

```1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. ```



What is evil? evil κακὸν (kakon) Strong's 2556: Bad, evil, in the widest sense.



Biblically, God does not cast out forever. Lam 3:3. But hypothetically, if He did, whether by permanent torture/destruction, He would see us as worthless. Because love means correctional punishment, which must be temporary. The punishment lasts as long as the evil lasts. Therefore, as long as evil exists, punishment will continue.



So, if the punishment lasts forever, then no correction can be made. It means that God failed to follow that which is good, meaning, to bring sinners to righteousness by faith alone in Christ.



```James 4:17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. ```



God knows what He ought to do, to remove all evil, which is only possible by saving us all. So, if God does not save us all, He commits sin. This is a contradiction, since God cannot commit sin Psalm 18:30, thus Universal Reconciliation through Christ is true.



The love of violence, Psalm 11:5. חָמָ֑ס (ḥā·mās)



Strong's 2555: Violence, wrong, by meton, unjust gain

Aren't you concerned that you may be leading people to Hell?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

I type this as I am once again waiting in line with my sister at anime convention Ai-kon to get a free signature from English VA for Ayaka/Bernadetta/Megumin 3 great characters from fictional aka fake series Genshin Impact / FE3H / Konosuba that I enjoy.



``` Revelation 21:27 ESV But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life. ```



A signature is like a written name. So then, whose names will be written in the nonfictional aka real Lamb's Book of Life? Everybody's names, never to be permanently blotted out. As the blood of the Lamb washes away all uncleanliness to those with faith. All people will thus believe in the Lamb of God, Christ to gain permanent citizenship in paradise, the Holy City of New Jerusalem.

Should we believe you or Jesus?

Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be who find it!
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Jack]

The false doctrine of eternal conscious torture is human tradition, no biblical punishment lasts forever.

Then why did Jesus say "everlasting punishment, "everlasting fire", "the fire that shall NEVER be quenched" "forever and ever"? You should seriously consider that you're leading people to Hell fire, even your loved ones.

Mark 9
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--