Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[1stCenturyLady]

Later, after He met Paul, he stopped preaching that Jewish John the Baptist's message of repent and get wet.
He Learned from Paul "the Gospel of the Grace of God"..
But in Acts 2, he gave them what he knew, at that time.

"repent, get wet".


Later, starting about a decade after that Pentecost, God began to show Peter the New Covenant Message.
And by the end of Acts 15, all the Apostles knew the "Gospels of the Grace of God"......that is "Paul's".
But in Acts 2, none of them knew it yet., so they preached, John the Baptist + Jesus.

"Repent and get Wet"

This is still the message in order to receive the New Covenant gospel, the power of God, the power of the Holy Spirit to be free of sin. John the Apostle said the same thing, to confess your sins. That means to repent. And Jesus told them to baptize them.

 

[Behold]

I looked for this verse and couldn't find it. Acts 2 is a long chapter; what verse are you referring to?

Acts 2:8

 

[Behold]

This is still the message in order to receive the New Covenant gospel And Jesus told them to baptize them.

The Gospel of the Grace of God is not Acts 2:38

The Gospel of the Grace of God is what Paul said is "my Gospel" 3x.
He explained that Jesus delivered it to Him personally.
That was quite a while after Acts 2.

"water" has no part in Salvation, as water can't wash away your sin.
All water baptism does is show your identification with the risen Lord.
Its symbolic... nothing more.

Paul even told us.. ."Jesus sent me not to water baptize".... and that was to clarify that water is not a part of Salvation.

How do we know?
Its because JESUS is Salvation.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Signs follow all the Apostles.
That's true.

See, the Pentecostal - Charismatic movement, is the one that does not understand that its this.

"The Acts of the Apostles".

"Book of Acts'" is the "Acts of the Apostles.""

They dont understand this, so they teach it falsely as "the acts of the born again Christian".

And like i told you earlier, Jesus never spoke in Tongues, and not all who come to Jesus, believing, do what you have been taught to think.

I just showed you that the Eunuch, in Acts 8, was born again, and never spoke in Tongues.

You want to make it "always and everytime", exactly like a person who trusts in water as a part of salvation, cant understand the that Dying Thief, who is in heaven, was not water baptized.

The Eunuch was Gentile. The Holy Spirit had not fallen on the Gentiles yet, and they didn't need hands laid on them. But as soon as God cleansed the Gentiles and showed this to Peter in that vision, and Cornelius and his family received the Holy Spirit without hands, I can just imagine what was happening with that Eunuch! If it was anything like what happened to me, he was dancing all over the place!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Gospel of the Grace of God is not Acts 2:38

The Gospel of the Grace of God is what Paul said is "my Gospel" 3x.
He explained that Jesus delivered it to Him personally.
That was quite a while after Acts 2.

"water" has no part in Salvation, as water can't wash away your sin.
All water baptism does is show your identification with the risen Lord.
Its symbolic... nothing more.

Paul even told us.. ."Jesus sent me not to water baptize"....

Yes it is the way I understand Grace. It is the power of God. The Holy Spirit is the power of God.

How do you understand grace?

 

[Behold]

The Eunuch was Gentile.

Makes no difference, as they were saved under the anointing of an Apostle.

"signs following", an Apostle.

"Acts of the Apostles"..

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Makes no difference, as they were saved under the anointing of an Apostle.

"signs following", an Apostle.

"Acts of the Apostles"..

Philip wasn't an apostle.

Acts 6:
2 Then the twelve summoned the multitude of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable that we should leave the word of God and serve tables. 3 Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business; 4 but we will give ourselves continually to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”

5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude. And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch, 6 whom they set before the apostles; and when they had prayed, they laid hands on them.

 

[Behold]

Yes it is the way I understand Grace. It is the power of God. The Holy Spirit is the power of God.

How do you understand grace?

The mercy of God that is the Cross of Christ.

Jesus is the Grace of God.
Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life.

Salvation is the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, that God extends to you as His Grace.

The American pastor's refer to this as "unmerited favor".

 

[ElieG12]

The Eunuch was Gentile. ...

No. The Eunuch was a proselyte-Jew, i.e. a foreigner converted to Judaism.

He was in Jerusalem to celebrate the Jewish Passover, and surely he was aware of many of the religious teachings and practices of the Jews.

 

[Behold]

Phillip wasn't an apostle.

You have philip the apostle and philip the evangelist.

Both were under the same Jewish "sign gift" anointing.

So, this is the same "signs following". = Mark 16

We are not there now.

In the Acts, you have signs following these Jews, who were ether an apostle or they were saved under the anointing of an apostle.
That gave them the same mantle.

Acts has many "salvations", and sometimes its not jews but a convert.....,and always the signs of the apostle can be present, and sometimes you read about a spiritual manifestation, and sometimes not.

So, you can believe and not be born again.
But once you are born again, in that day, you would have been under the "Acts of the Apostles", and so, you have all sorts of manifestations of the Spirit.


Can this happen now?
Yes.
If you are in a foreign land, and they can't understand you.
God will give you the gift of "tongues" so that you can show them the Cross.

Do some believers have a "prayer language".
Of course.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The mercy of God that is the Cross of Christ.

Jesus is the Grace of God.
Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life.

Salvation is the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, that God extends to you as His Grace.

The American pastor's refer to this as "unmerited favor".

But they teach that the mercy of God COVERS our sins and forgives our past, present and future sins.

Do you believe that?

 

[St. SteVen]

Truth divides from those who disbelieve. That division is necessary. If you reject truth, you should not be counted among the truthful.

Who decides what truth is?
And don't say, "The Bible." There is no consensus on what it means.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No. The Eunuch was a proselyte-Jew, i.e. a foreigner converted to Judaism.

He was in Jerusalem to celebrate the Jewish Passover, and surely he was aware of many of the religious teachings and practices of the Jews.

It only says that the Queen of the Ethiopians went to worship. I can't say for sure that the eunuch was too.

 

[Behold]

The Eunuch was Gentile. The Holy Spirit had not fallen on the Gentiles yet, and they didn't need hands laid on them.

Well, you can't teach (mark 16) that Jesus said that signs would follow Christian Believers... and then say...>"well, He meant it would be much later then Mark 16", as Jesus was still on earth when He told those Apostles about those signs that would follow.

Jesus never said....>"oh, it'll be about halfway through the book of Acts, before we let those gentiles have those tongues".

But you are teaching that is what He meant.
He didnt.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Can this happen now?
Yes.
If you are in a foreign land, and they can't understand you.
God will give you the gift of "tongues" so that you can show them the Cross.

Seeing as that is NOT speaking in tongues because NO ONE UNDERSTANDS, UNLESS ONE INTERPRETS, that would be a MIRACLE.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Well, you can't teach (mark 16) that Jesus said that signs would follow Christian Believers... and then say...>"well, He meant it would be much later then Mark 16", as Jesus was still on earth when He told those Apostles about those signs that would follow.

These signs are part of the New Covenant, so as long as we are in the New Covenant these signs will follow us.

Jesus taught the New Covenant in his ministry, not the Old Covenant, except when bickering with the Pharisees.

 

[ElieG12]

It only says that the Queen of the Ethiopians went to worship. I can't say for sure that the eunuch was too.

Wrong. It was the eunuch who went to Jerusalem to worship.

Acts 8:27 With that he got up and went, and look! an E·thi·oʹpi·an eunuch, a man who had authority under Can·daʹce, queen of the E·thi·oʹpi·ans, and who was in charge of all her treasure. He had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and he was returning and was sitting in his chariot, reading aloud the prophet Isaiah.

 

[Behold]

But they teach that the mercy of God COVERS our sins and forgives our past, present and future sins.

Do you believe that?

Jesus is the "one time eternal sacrifice for sin".

"eternal sacrifice', does not mean, "only up until the day you are saved" as the heretics teach it.

See, here is how the heretics teach it.

"Jesus saved you from all your past sin, and now you go and confess your sin, to keep getting resaved, reforgiven".

See that?
That is... "yes, Jesus saved me, but now i have to keep myself saved, by confessing and enduring, and about 20 other things on my self saving list.".

A.) = Cross denying Heresy.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Wrong. It was the eunuch who went to Jerusalem to worship.

Acts 8:27 With that he got up and went, and look! an E·thi·oʹpi·an eunuch, a man who had authority under Can·daʹce, queen of the E·thi·oʹpi·ans, and who was in charge of all her treasure. He had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and he was returning and was sitting in his chariot, reading aloud the prophet Isaiah.

Yes, you are right. I read it wrong.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus is the "one time eternal sacrifice for sin".

"eternal sacrifice', does not mean, "only up until the day you are saved" as the heretics teach it.

See, here is how the heretics teach it.

"Jesus saved you from all your past sin, and now you go and confess your sin, to keep getting resaved, reforgiven".

See that?
That is... "yes, Jesus saved me, but now i have to keep myself saved".

A.) Cross denying Heresy.

I can see why you would say that is a heresy. I know of Arminians who believe that. But I don't.

But what is right is Jesus cleansed us from our past sins.

2 Peter 1:9
9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Can you guess what prevents us from sinning again? THAT is what has not been taught since the 1st century! But I do.