One baptism. Not two.

[face2face]

A Born Again can also NEVER lose their salvation...once you have been birthed you belong to God, you are one in Spirit with him.....we can never be un- birthed, it’s a lie!!

"Except a man be born again, he/she cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Where does it say they can never lose their salvation?

This verse is simply saying a person must be born again if they are to hope to see the Kingdom of God.

You must be getting your "NEVER lose" doctrine from stronger Scripture than John 3:3

F2F

 

[gpresdo]

A Born Again can also NEVER lose their salvation...once you have been birthed you belong to God, you are one in Spirit with him.....we can never be un- birthed, it’s a lie!!.

John 6:37-40​

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King James Version​

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37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them

Why does scriptures caution us not to loose our salvation?
Why does God give us unlimited times of forgiveness of our sins, et al.
Why does the Bible caution against backsliding?

Your teachings are new age religion teachings and are inconsistent with scriptures.

Was that taught in the christian world before ...oh say...1960's? If so...please show scriptures.

 

[face2face]

I said no such thing.

2 Corinthians 7:10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
For [godly] sorrow that is in accord with the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation; but worldly sorrow [the hopeless sorrow of those who do not believe] produces death

Great verse!
Notice how the writer was careful to say, "leads to salvation!"
This is an important distinction than inferring one has salvation.
F2F

 

[face2face]

Why does scriptures caution us not to loose our salvation?
Why does God give us unlimited times of forgiveness of our sins, et al.
Why does the Bible caution against backsliding?

Your teachings are new age religion teachings and are inconsistent with scriptures.

Was that taught in the christian world before ...oh say...1960's? If so...please show scriptures.

All very good points and I agree!
They need to cherry pick the Bible choosing only a select few verses without considering the broader context. For instance, they would need to remove most of James’s Epistle! Take the scissors to it!
I'm waiting for them to privide key verses for their beliefs but nothing yet.
F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

Why does scriptures caution us not to loose our salvation?
Why does God give us unlimited times of forgiveness of our sins, et al.
Why does the Bible caution against backsliding?

Your teachings are new age religion teachings and are inconsistent with scriptures.

Was that taught in the christian world before ...oh say...1960's? If so...please show scriptures.

I have already posted scripture, where a Born Again can NEVER lose their salvation.

A Born Again...who has been birthed in the Spirit..can never be un- birthed...do you actually understand what that means?

If a believer who believes they can lose their salvation..i would Question that they were saved from eternal salvation in the first place.

You know what the Spiritual birth is yes?

Who is God speaking to here.a Born Again...

There is no cherry picking scripture...this is the Living word of God spoken to his children who have been regenerated...they recognise his voice, because they have been birthed in the Spirit.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them


Explain what God is saying here?..do you actually understand this scripture?

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

A Born Again..can NEVER lose their salvation, they are the elect, they were chosen by God before the foundation of the world..I have posted scripture above and scripture here....
I have backed everything up by scripture.
...God has chosen his people....and he won’t lose one.....you do not choose God to birth you in the Spirit....

God’s word also tells us.

Matthew 7:6​

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King James Version​

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6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

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◄ John 6:39 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. New Living Translation And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. English Standard Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. Berean Standard Bible And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. Berean Literal Bible Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day. King James Bible And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. New King James Version This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

 

[Ritajanice]

@gpresdo .....​

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Romans 8:8 Context​

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[gpresdo]

I have already posted scripture, where a Born Again can NEVER lose their salvation.

A Born Again...who has been birthed in the Spirit..can never be un- birthed...do you actually understand what that means?

If a believer who believes they can lose their salvation..i would Question that they were saved from eternal salvation in the first place.

You know what the Spiritual birth is yes?

Who is God speaking to here.a Born Again...

There is no cherry picking scripture...this is the Living word of God spoken to his children who have been regenerated...they recognise his voice, because they have been birthed in the Spirit.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them


Explain what God is saying here?..do you actually understand this scripture?

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

A Born Again..can NEVER lose their salvation, they are the elect, they were chosen by God before the foundation of the world..I have posted scripture above and scripture here....
I have backed everything up by scripture.
...God has chosen his people....and he won’t lose one.....you do not choose God to birth you in the Spirit....

God’s word also tells us.

Matthew 7:6​

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King James Version​

​

​

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

​

◄ John 6:39 ►

​

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. New Living Translation And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. English Standard Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. Berean Standard Bible And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. Berean Literal Bible Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day. King James Bible And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. New King James Version This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

None of your references support your teachings.
You haven;t answered my question...do you plan to?

 

[Ritajanice]

None of your references support your teachings.
You haven;t answered my question...do you plan to?

I have posted all scripture , that God will never lose one of HIS Born again Children...which you obviously don’t understand..hmmmm...

You haven’t answered, NOT ONE of the questions I asked you?.....hmmm, interesting.

Not One...I’m still waiting?

@gpresdo ..what is this scripture saying?

Romans 8:8 Context​

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice

Wheree the twelve disciples the ones given to Jesus , didnt Judas kill himself? However even so, today a believer who has a heart for God and love for God and love for neighbor wont lost their justification because of faith in seeking God and faith in the resurrected Christ, but even i have entertained the idea or thought “is jesus really the way, the truth and the life” and it almost severed my connection with God due to unbelief. Could I have repented perhaps so, but let me say it was like standing on the edge of the abyss when it came to that thought.

These are just some of my thoughts, and wondered what you think about them, thank you for considering.

Love to you,
Matthew

 

[face2face]

I have posted all scripture , that God will never lose one of HIS Born again Children...which you obviously don’t understand..hmmmm...

You haven’t answered, NOT ONE of the questions I asked you?.....hmmm, interesting.

If you looked at this in hindsight, post the judgement, then it can be said none are lost! I know right, a bit obvious but hey when you have people preaching and teaching this false message causing even those who have turned from Him believing their salvation is guaranteed, well this is just offensive to Him who will have mercy on who He will have mercy!

F2F

 

[face2face]

I have already posted scripture, where a Born Again can NEVER lose their salvation.

A Born Again...who has been birthed in the Spirit..can never be un- birthed...do you actually understand what that means?

If a believer who believes they can lose their salvation..i would Question that they were saved from eternal salvation in the first place.

You know what the Spiritual birth is yes?

Who is God speaking to here.a Born Again...

There is no cherry picking scripture...this is the Living word of God spoken to his children who have been regenerated...they recognise his voice, because they have been birthed in the Spirit.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them


Explain what God is saying here?..do you actually understand this scripture?

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

A Born Again..can NEVER lose their salvation, they are the elect, they were chosen by God before the foundation of the world..I have posted scripture above and scripture here....
I have backed everything up by scripture.
...God has chosen his people....and he won’t lose one.....you do not choose God to birth you in the Spirit....

God’s word also tells us.

Matthew 7:6​

​

King James Version​

​

​

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

​

◄ John 6:39 ►

​

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. New Living Translation And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. English Standard Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. Berean Standard Bible And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. Berean Literal Bible Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day. King James Bible And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. New King James Version This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

Rita can post large sections of Scripture and pretend to think she understands it all but in the end its another person cherry picking text to push their own wheelbarrow.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, BUT the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

@gpresdo - how many other Scriptures will be fulfilled at the judgement seat?

Rita states NONE LOST - Scripture states One of the 12

What of the millions upon millions of Christians who are born again to Rita's requirements only to crucify the Son of God afresh?

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello @Ritajanice

Wheree the twelve disciples the ones given to Jesus , didnt Judas kill himself? However even so, today a believer who has a heart for God and love for God and love for neighbor wont lost their justification because of faith in seeking God and faith in the resurrected Christ, but even i have entertained the idea or thought “is jesus really the way, the truth and the life” and it almost severed my connection with God due to unbelief. Could I have repented perhaps so, but let me say it was like standing on the edge of the abyss when it came to that thought.

These are just some of my thoughts, and wondered what you think about them, thank you for considering.

Love to you,
Matthew

@MatthewG ....all I know is, only God can lead us to repentance ....I wish you well on your journey with Christ through the Holy Spirit.

A Born Again who has truly been birthed in the spirit....how can they be un- birthed they can’t....but...it must be the Father who gives them to the Son....

If God hasn’t given them to the Son through the spiritual birth/ regeneration/ birthed in the Spirit/ Born Again.

Then they aren’t his......you can read that in the scripture/ God’s Living word that I posted above...that scripture is talking to his Born Again Children......imo/ belief.

 

[MatthewG]

@MatthewG ....all I know is, only God can lead us to repentance ....I wish you well on your journey with Christ through the Holy Spirit.

Okay,

Love to you,
Matthew

 

[Ritajanice]

@MatthewG ..I have just edited my post.

 

[MatthewG]

@MatthewG ..I have just edited my post.

Oh okay,

Is there anyone able to have authority to say people can not divorce Gods adoption?

Just curious,
Matthew

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh okay,

Is there anyone able to have authority to say people can not divorce Gods adoption?

Just curious,
Matthew

@MatthewG ...if you read that scripture, you will read that no one can take us from Jesus...it’s not a question of divorce from adoption.

It’s a question of, is one truly Born Again.....a Born Again imo would know in their Spirit, by the testifying of the Holy Spirit that we are his children..I will post scripture on that in a moment..

Here is God’s Living word to his children.
Verse 16...he testifies with our spirit.....

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[MatthewG]

@Ritajanice

I dont believe in once saved always saved doctrine my friend.

Therefore yes you may present some scripture but its not taking the whole bible into account from my perspective.

You are free to express your opinions with the bible content however; it will just be an opinion as mine now is being stated, of not accepting once saved always saved doctrine. I wont condemn you for beliving that if you do its just not something personal to me.

All in love,
Matthew

 

[face2face]

Oh okay,

Is there anyone able to have authority to say people can not divorce Gods adoption?

Just curious,
Matthew

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,

NOT SAVED NOTICE!

and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,

Only a TASTE!

and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. Hebrews 6:4-6

Ask Rita, if those in verse 4 are born again?
Ask Rita, if a taste means they are saved?
Ask Rita, if they remain in the state of crucifying the Son of God to their own harm will they be saved?

Serious subject this one Matt!

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

@face2face,

I am not here to jump down anyones throat.

Peoplw may freely express themselves and their views, as individuals we are free to reject what one may express and that is okay, will love that person by the spirit and allow God to deal with their heart on the matter. We can express what we believe even with knowing the bible but if we cant love and allow freedom for them to think, i believe that is what is really dangerous.

Yahava looks at the heart.

Love to you,
Matthew

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice

I dont believe in once saved always saved doctrine my friend.

Therefore yes you may present some scripture but its not taking the whole bible into account from my perspective.

You are free to express your opinions with the bible content however; it will just be an opinion as mine now is being stated, of not accepting once saved always saved doctrine. I wont condemn you for beliving that if you do its just not something personal to me.

All in love,
Matthew

I have not

expressed my opinion..I have produced the Living word of God to his Born Again Children ....which you obviously aren’t understanding....

You haven’t even questioned me on any of the scripture I have posted...why is that?

You’ve just completely dismissed it, without even questioning it...that’s a red flag for me.

Show me in that scripture that I posted..is what you say God is not saying..show me?

Because you are saying it’s just my opinion..where in fact it’s the word of God.

Jesus will never lose one of his children....provided the Father has given them to him......

You must be Born Again...that is an act that only God can do through the Holy Spirit...it’s a Living supernatural act....it’s not something you can read...