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[Patrick1966]

Revelation says they are done away with.

Universalism says suggesting they are saved.

It makes it quite a conflict due to Gods promise…

And the outside and inside of Gods kingdom in heaven.

What do you trust? The wisdom of the world? Who do you trust? Man? Or God?

1 Corinthians 15 says that Jesus rules until ALL enemies are converted.

 

[MatthewG]

1 Corinthians 15 says that Jesus rules until ALL enemies are converted.

Thats 56 verses long, can you prove that to me.

I dont know where the “converted” part is mention all i know is the enmies are jesus are done put under his feet.

 

[ButterflyJones]

So, God is going to forgive Satan and His Angels?

Can you show me this Verse?

I don't think Harold is here anymore.

 

[MatthewG]

1 Corinthians 15 says that Jesus rules until ALL enemies are converted.

Okay if you say so.

It didnt help in the other thread either.

Oh well ill trust God on the matters; and i love and hope the best for you and yours,

Matthew

 

[Patrick1966]

Thats 56 verses long, can you prove that to me.

I dont know where the “converted” part is mention all i know is the enmies are jesus are done put under his feet.

In that era, emperors and kings sat on elevated thrones and all of their servants were "under their feet". Jesus must rule until ALL have been converted. That includes Satan as "all" means ALL. Then, as Paul said, the kingdom will be given to God the Father. I encourage you to read the chapter.

 

[Patrick1966]

Okay if you say so.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting the scriptures. What does it mean that "he must rule until all enemies are under his feet"?

 

[Patrick1966]

 

[MatthewG]

Perhaps I am misinterpreting the scriptures. What does it mean that "he must rule until all enemies are under his feet"?

Patrick1966,

I take it to mean that Jesus Christ had all enemies under his feet and the last enemy to be destroy is death. Who are the enemies of Christ, in the Age he lived in? Satan, the demons even asked “are you here to torture us before our time?”, Death, Sin, the False Prophet, and the Beast. Seems like all of enemies in his age.

However thats just my take on it, i could be wrong, but if its right and true, thet are said to be all done away with for all people, however it never states that everyone is saved to… the kingdom of heaven.

 

[GodisSpirit]

At the end of the ages all who ever lived will call Jesus "Lord" and all will go to live with God in his kingdom. Nobody, not even Satan, will be in the Lake of Fire.

How is calling Jesus Lord going to help them when Jesus said:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

When did these Rejecters of Christ in the Lake of Fire [[EVER]] do the Will of the Father?

Never!

So Jesus says, they [[WILL NEVER]] enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

So now, You, are calling Jesus a Liar!

 

[GodisSpirit]

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 ESV
24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

How is this Verse saying Satan and the Fallen Angels will be Saved?

 

[GodisSpirit]

1 Corinthians 15 says that Jesus rules until ALL enemies are converted.

There is NOTHING about Conversion in this Verse.

How do you get Conversion?

 

[GodisSpirit]

I don't think Harold is here anymore.

Thank You!

 

[Patrick1966]

How is calling Jesus Lord going to help them when Jesus said:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Initially they will be denied. They are fake Christians. They will be cleansed in the Lake of Fire. There they will learn repentance and thereafter they will go to Jesus in sincerity. In 1 Corinthians 15, Jesus is WAITING. That's why Paul said that Jesus MUST rule until ALL of his enemies are "under his feet". If, as most Christians believe, Jesus was simply going to condemn them to an eternal torture chamber, he wouldn't need to wait. On the contrary, Jesus is patiently waiting for those cast into the Lake of Fire to come to repentance and then to him.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[Patrick1966]

There is NOTHING about Conversion in this Verse.

How do you get Conversion?

All are under his feet which means they are all loyal to Jesus.

 

[Patrick1966]

So now, You, are calling Jesus a Liar!

 

[GodisSpirit]

Patrick1966,​

Just curious here, and have no intention to say or react, but interested, in what is your Denomination that closest describes how you believe?

 

[Patrick1966]

Patrick1966,​

Just curious here, and have no intention to say or react, but interested, in what is your Denomination that closest describes how you believe?

I have no idea. I was a Catholic for the first 50 years of my life. Some of their doctrines didn't make sense to me and so I picked up a Bible and unlearned much of what I was taught. I also discovered that most English Bible translations contradict themselves. That is when I learned about the mistranslations that gave us false doctrines such as forever punishment.

 

[Patrick1966]

Patrick1966,​

Just curious here, and have no intention to say or react, but interested, in what is your Denomination that closest describes how you believe?

Do you believe that Jesus is incapable of persuading all beings to repent and follow him?

 

[Patrick1966]

How is this Verse saying Satan and the Fallen Angels will be Saved?

Because they too will be under his feet. They will repent and follow Jesus.

 

[GodisSpirit]

I have no idea. I was a Catholic for the first 50 years of my life. Some of their doctrines didn't make sense to me and so I picked up a Bible and unlearned much of what I was taught. I also discovered that most English Bible translations contradict themselves. That is when I learned about the mistranslations that gave us false doctrines such as forever punishment.

We all have to start somewhere and I am happy that you have made it this far.