Was Jesus crucified?

[Johann]

You‘re aware, I presume, that the God of a unitarian is only one person.

Jesus’ God is only one person, the Father.

While it can’t be discussed due to current Board policy, Jesus himself is, by definition a unitarian.

I would disagree-strongly-but like you said-not allowed to discuss, hence the Deity of Jesus remains under attack.
J.

 

[Matthias]

I would disagree-strongly-but like you said-not allowed to discuss, hence the Deity of Jesus remains under attack.
J.

You can disagree - strongly or mildly - but the biblical fact remains that Jesus’ God is only one person, his Father.

You can disagree - again, strongly or mildly - but the fact remains that I’m a unitarian because my my God is only one person: his Father and my Father, his God and my God.

You don’t meet that criteria. Therefore, you aren’t a unitarian.

 

[Johann]

You can disagree - strongly or mildly - but the biblical fact remains that Jesus’ God is only one person, his Father.

You can disagree - again, strongly or mildly, but I’m a unitarian because my my God is only one person, his Father and my Father, his God and my God.

So who do you pray to?

 

[Matthias]

So who do you pray to?

I pray to his God and my God.

 

[Johann]

His God and my God.

-and Yehoshuwa/Jesus "somewhere in the middle"-or not at all.

 

[bluedragon]

Where do you think Muhammed received his "religion" from?
Muslims did NOT exist at this time?

An Evaluation of Islam
Compared to Christianity, Islam has some similarities but significant differences as well. Like Christianity, Islam is monotheistic. However, Muslims reject .....

Muslims claim that Jesus was one of the most important prophets—not God’s Son. Islam asserts that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was created like Adam. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross. They do not understand why Allah would allow His prophet Isa (the Islamic word for "Jesus") to die a torturous death. Yet the Bible shows how the death of the perfect Son of God was essential to pay for the sins of the world (Isaiah 53:5-6; John 3:16; 14:6; 1 Peter 2:24).

Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the final authority and the last revelation of Allah. The Bible, however, was completed in the first century with the book of Revelation. The Bible warns against anyone adding to or subtracting from God’s Word (Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:6; Galatians 1:6-12; Revelation 22:18). The Qur’an, as a claimed addition to God’s Word, directly disobeys God’s command.

Muslims believe that paradise can be earned through keeping the Five Pillars. The Bible, in contrast, reveals that sinful man can never measure up to the holy God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Only by God’s grace may sinners be saved through repentant faith in Jesus (Acts 20:21; Ephesians 2:8-9).

Because of these essential differences and contradictions, Islam and Christianity cannot both be true. The Bible and Qur’an cannot both be God’s Word. The truth has eternal consequences.

You want me to prove your erroneous statement?
Just a aside-are Muslims welcomed on this Forum?
Johann.

And where did Muhammad get his Bible to read from? Public Library? Barnes and Noble?
Muhammad 571 AD to 632 AD. According to the myth of the Quran .....Muhammad recited the book to Gabriel every year during Ramadan .......which didn't exist during the life of Muhammad. Then recited it to Gabriel twice before he died.

When you study the actual creation of the text and beliefs ....Muhammad had zero knowledge of the creation of the works .......created by people he did not know over 150 years after he died.

In contrast ......the writers of the New Testament were people that knew Christ personally. Paul may be the exception, however, he knew the Christ. The works are not written several hundred years after the life of Christ. The dates given when attempting to post a date when written are based on samples of scrolls. They are not copies of the actual scrolls, but are copies of copies of the original ...... Scotch tape had not been invented yet .....a tear of a scroll was better repaired by copying the entire letter.

I could care less if Muslims are on this forum. If they are, may God give them wisdom and sight to understand they are following a work outside the faith of Christ. I'll base my understanding on Collegiate Studies of the religion and the religion of Islam ....

 

[Matthias]

-and Yehoshuwa/Jesus "somewhere in the middle"-or not at all.

What does “somewhere in the middle” mean?

I pray to his God and my God and ask in Jesus’ name.

 

[Matthias]

Getting back to the crucifixion -> my God - the God whom I pray to - wasn’t crucified.

Some unitarians, however, do believe that their God was crucified.

 

[Johann]

And where did Muhammad get his Bible to read from? Public Library? Barnes and Noble?
Muhammad 571 AD to 632 AD. According to the myth of the Quran .....Muhammad recited the book to Gabriel every year during Ramadan .......which didn't exist during the life of Muhammad. Then recited it to Gabriel twice before he died.

When you study the actual creation of the text and beliefs ....Muhammad had zero knowledge of the creation of the works .......created by people he did not know over 150 years after he died.

In contrast ......the writers of the New Testament were people that knew Christ personally. Paul may be the exception, however, he knew the Christ. The works are not written several hundred years after the life of Christ. The dates given when attempting to post a date when written are based on samples of scrolls. They are not copies of the actual scrolls, but are copies of copies of the original ...... Scotch tape had not been invented yet .....a tear of a scroll was better repaired by copying the entire letter.

I could care less if Muslims are on this forum. If they are, may God give them wisdom and sight to understand they are following a work outside the faith of Christ. I'll base my understanding on Collegiate Studies of the religion and the religion of Islam ....

I have a solid understanding re the Imams and pray they may see the Light.
J.

 

[Johann]

Getting back to the crucifixion -> my God - the God whom I pray to - wasn’t crucified.

Some unitarians, however, do believe that their God was crucified.

How can God die?-are YOU saying Christ wasn't crucified?

 

[Matthias]

How can God die?

You would have to ask those who believe God can die that question. My God and his God cannot die.

-are YOU saying Christ wasn't crucified?

No. I’m surprised that you would even ask me that.

For anyone who genuinely is in doubt about it, a search of my posts would quickly settle it.

 

[Johann]

No. I’m surprised that you would even ask me that.

Just checking.

 

[Matthias]

Was Jesus crucified? That he was is the testimony of the New Testament writers. I believe that testimony.

@Johann there’s nothing wrong with checking. If you weren’t sure then there may be others who also weren’t sure.

 

[Johann]

@Johann there’s nothing wrong with checking. If you weren’t sure then there may be others who also weren’t sure.

Oh, I'm sure about that-read Ps 22 and Isaiah 53

 

[Matthias]

Oh, I'm sure about that-read Ps 22 and Isaiah 53

I was talking about me. Reading Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 won’t help anyone who is unsure to know if I believe in the crucifixion of Jesus or not. Just as I affirm the NT witness, so too do I affirm the Old Testament prophecy.

 

[bluedragon]

I have a solid understanding re the Imams and pray they may see the Light.
J.

The Imams weren't there .....they made it all up. It was a repeat of the camp fire tales of Moses .....Long after he passed on as well.

 

[quietthinker]

A win for the Unitarians? Open the thread and let's discuss-I have irrefutable biblical data against Unitarians.
Johann.

ahhhhh, 'irrefutable', such a subjective word. Irrefutable in one's own mind as it is in the minds of all who are convinced of a matter.
'Irrefutable' objectively, is the work of the spirit not the logic man employs.
Every self appointed guru plays with the notion of their 'processes' being irrefutable.

 

[Johann]

The Imams weren't there .....they made it all up. It was a repeat of the camp fire tales of Moses .....Long after he passed on as well.

I'll come to that-later.

 

[Johann]

ahhhhh, 'irrefutable', such a subjective word. Irrefutable in one's own mind as it is in the minds of all who are convinced of a matter.
'Irrefutable' objectively, is the work of the spirit not the logic man employs.
Every self appointed guru plays with the notion of their 'processes' being irrefutable.

Please-move on.
Thanks
J.

 

[quietthinker]

Please-move on.
Thanks
J.

I would say, the ability to get over one's own unacknowledged limitations generates an atmosphere of mutual discovery. Outing others has always been the primary domain of those considering themselves informed.