The 144,000 before God at the end.

[rebuilder 454]

I know all three trib teachings my friend . all three contain truths and all three contain errors .
You be assuming things pardner . no worries though , we have all done that before .
Now listen to the clear message of what i am saying .
JUST DO THIS . GET Back in the BIBLE FOR YOURSELF . dont read it through ANY trib teachings mindset .
READ IT FOR YOU . i say that to many other teachings too like OSAS or etc .
TIME WE BIBLE UP FOR OURSELVES pardner . YOU DO THAT , give it some time cause you aint gonna know it in a day
but just read and love that bible and you WATCH what GOD DOES FOR YOU . But keep under the teachings of men
and do beware . and beware big time too . TIME to open bibles for ourselves . DO it . like the ol commercial once said
JUST DO IT . do it FOR YOU .

Then change the setting of the pretrib rapture verses, because you need every single one of them changed.

 

[covenantee]

Oh we understand it.

What we don't understand is why the foolish virgins change the Word of God to fit their doctrine. Makes no sense.

You can't possibly understand it, because it is spiritually discerned, which to you is foolishness.

As Paul declared:

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The five foolish virgins perished = lost forever.
Left-Behind saints is another lie that comes from the first lie ='pre-trib'.

Please post the scripture(s) that CLEARLY state when the 'church-age' comes to an End.

Re read it.
Without changing it.
"11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh"

Don't add to it, or modify it.
That vs 13 hurts. I know it does.
Seals the fact that it is the rapture and half the church, carnal believers are left to be martyred.

 

[ewq1938]

Ok. So you have decided that this verse means nothing. Nothing to see here. Let's pretend it isn't here.
Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Now let's pretend like when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, that doesn't mean Christ has set up His kingdom of earth. It means nothing. Just a bunch words that we can skip over and pretend that they are not there.

It doesn't mean Armageddon isn't going to happen after it. Why would it? The Kingdoms are His but not the armies. *SMH*

 

[rebuilder 454]

You can't possibly understand it, because it is spiritually discerned, which to you is foolishness.

As Paul declared:

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you walk in the spirit, the word of God would agree.
Sorry to inform you of that.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You mean like when they also try and say when JOHN was caught up that represents the rapture .
Cause paul was caught up too ya know . pre trib does exactly this in several places .
But it aint just pre tribbers that do it . MANY DO IT .
A well known pre tribber , who though i dont agree with all that he teaches either
Was and is honest enough to admit THERE IS NO PLACE in the bible where PRE TRIB can be found .

Pretrib rapture is easy to defend.
I can easily defend it without ascribing johns ascension to the rapture.

 

[ewq1938]

If you would just get yourself out of the way and read what the Word says. It's over after the 7th trumpet sounds. The end. Story is finished as to the wrath of God.

Wrong. The wrath of God BEGINS at the 7th trump. Everyone can see that you are wrong on this. 7 vials pour, Armageddon happens, the two beasts are cast into the LOF, the devil is locked in the pit and the Millennium begins but you claim "It's over after the 7th trumpet sounds. The end. Story is finished as to the wrath of God."

You don't understand the book obviously.

 

[ewq1938]

There is no explicit rapture timing statement anywhere in the Bible. Do you realize that? Not pre-trib, not post trib, not pre-wrath, nothing! Not a single one.

Can we ALL be honest about that?

No, that is false. The rapture is placed after the resurrection which is placed after the second coming. This is post-trib.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

 

[rebuilder 454]

I know all three trib teachings my friend . all three contain truths and all three contain errors .
You be assuming things pardner . no worries though , we have all done that before .
Now listen to the clear message of what i am saying .
JUST DO THIS . GET Back in the BIBLE FOR YOURSELF . dont read it through ANY trib teachings mindset .
READ IT FOR YOU . i say that to many other teachings too like OSAS or etc .
TIME WE BIBLE UP FOR OURSELVES pardner . YOU DO THAT , give it some time cause you aint gonna know it in a day
but just read and love that bible and you WATCH what GOD DOES FOR YOU . But keep under the teachings of men
and do beware . and beware big time too . TIME to open bibles for ourselves . DO it . like the ol commercial once said
JUST DO IT . do it FOR YOU .

The pretrib rapture verses.
You can not erase them.

 

[covenantee]

If you walk in the spirit, the word of God would agree.
Sorry to inform you of that.

Don't be sorry.

The Word of God is replete with His Church.

 

[amigo de christo]

Again
Post a verse.
Otherwise you are just talking in assumptions.
Show me where your doctrine gets any standing.
Should be easy for you.
I mean are you serious that you can not come up with a postrib rapture verse?

and again you post a verse . we can do this all day my friend . BIBLE TIME .
THERE is something else as well . I once wondered to myself why there can be so many teachings
and yet they seem to contradict the truth .
THEN a real simple answer came back to me . For me to go and see IF they even FOLLOW ALL of JESUS teachings .
SO i did . I brought JESUS own words to them and guess what , THEY omitted some of it
said things like OH that applies to jews only , or the times were different back then .
WHAT THEY DIDNT DO was JUST EMBRACE ALL THOSE LOVELY WORDS . How bout i start questioning you .
Cause i bet you twist some of it too . Would you like to talk about remarriage
or how about WHERE JESUS said if one believeth not THEY WILL be damned
OR how about many other places . I JUST bet you gonna twist something the early CHURCH or CHRIST HIMSELF did say .
REAL SIMPLE .

 

[amigo de christo]

The pretrib rapture verses.
You can not erase them.

Hey rebuilder , what do you think of the current situation going on within christendom .
What and who are some of your favorite teachers .
Just a friendly question my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

"Early in the trib we see billions of believers killed.
Martyred.
Beleivers."

i see that you are finally coming around to Post-Trib Truth

Men gonna do as men gonna do . Time for all lambs to BIBLE UP and learn for themselves .

 

[marks]

No, that is false. The rapture is placed after the resurrection which is placed after the second coming. This is post-trib.

That's not an explicit statement, however. You are interpreting it a certain way.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

That's not an explicit statement, however. You are interpreting it a certain way.

Much love!

The number one person i can personally think of that gets put on ignore and it aint cause he is mean
IS this lamb . Now we do have to ask ourselves some questions . How come many folks
can sit and entertain those that even attack THEM and name call and yet when i just bring simple reminders
THEY put me so fast on ignore it would make heads spin . Now i already know the answer .
My question to you is , WHY do you THINK so many are so fast to ignore me or put me on ignore .
NOW have i ever called you a harsh name or made fun of you or your english .
SO dont think its cause i a mean . Think deeper mark .
Ponder real deeply why i am put on ignore so fast by so many .
And then remember these words , I SHALL GIVE You a mouth that ...............
Folks no likey what i say cause they aint got the words to defend . It makes them VERY , VERY UNCOMFORTABLE
they no likey the simply reminders . NOW i aint even talking about pre trib stuff or mid or post .
I am talking when i make simple reminders like THERE IS SUCH a thing as a false wordly love verses a TRUE agape love
and that SATAN HIMSELF can quoate the scrips . YET TWISTS THEM .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[The Light]

You can't possibly understand it, because it is spiritually discerned, which to you is foolishness.

As Paul declared:

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

What you consider spiritually discerned is making up a bunch of nonsense in scripture that fits your manmade doctrine that was originated by men that had no faith that God would keep His Word and restore the nation of Israel. All this doctrine originates in UNBELIEF. Which is exactly why you cannot just accept what is written about the 144,000. Unbelief in the written Word of God.

 

[ewq1938]

That's not an explicit statement, however. You are interpreting it a certain way.

You are just sidestepping it. You cannot deny the rapture is placed with the second coming and resurrection of the saved dead and we read in Matthew 24 that the second coming comes after the GT ends. That is direct and undeniable proof of a post-trib rapture.

 

[The Light]

Wrong. The wrath of God BEGINS at the 7th trump. Everyone can see that you are wrong on this. 7 vials pour, Armageddon happens, the two beasts are cast into the LOF, the devil is locked in the pit and the Millennium begins but you claim "It's over after the 7th trumpet sounds. The end. Story is finished as to the wrath of God."

You don't understand the book obviously.

Right. That's because when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord..........That means nothing.

And when there is judgement after the 7th trumpet, cast that aside. It's a mirage. A slip of the pen.

I don't care what everyone thinks as half can't even see the Lord comes before the seals are opened and the 70th week is about the people of Daniel.

 

[marks]

You are just sidestepping it. You cannot deny the rapture is placed with the second coming and resurrection of the saved dead and we read in Matthew 24 that the second coming comes after the GT ends. That is direct and undeniable proof of a post-trib rapture.

I'm not sidestepping anything, and don't get accusatory if you want to discuss this with me.

There is no explicit rapture timing statement in the Bible period.

Where do you see the resurrection of the dead in Matthew 24?

Much love!