The 144,000 before God at the end.

[David in NJ]

The 6th seal is certainly the second coming. However, the 7th trumpet and Chapter 19 are the second advent when Jesus returns to earth.

I'm not sure why you are not getting this. It's simple. The signs of the sun, moon and stars MARK the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. It is immediately after the tribulation. Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect. He does not go to war yet. He does not come to the earth yet. WRATH has yet to begin and will not begin until AFTER the 7th seal is opened. Tribulation is not wrath.

Revelation 6
2 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


So, the second coming is the 6th seal when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Jesus remains in the clouds as seen here.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Now educate yourself on the 6th Seal and go back and read Matthew ch24 and Acts ch2

 

[David in NJ]

No, it doesn't. No one is protected from satan's tribulation. No one is physically removed to avoid that. The church endures the tribulation, many if not most being killed. Only some survivors of the GT will be raptured.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.

Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?

No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.

Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse.

ewq1938 says: "Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse."

pre-trib rapture goes against Christ's words/commands in MANY places in scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

I agree 100%. Post trib is pre-wrath.


Agree 100%


Here is David in NJ's comment.
"Revelation repeats the Second Coming in the 6th Seal and in the 7th Trumpet and in chapter 19."

David is saying that the 6th seal is the second coming........which is correct.

Then he says that we see the second coming in the 7th trumpet and in Chapter 19. This cannot be correct. The 7th trumpet is the end of wrath. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. CHRIST HAS SET UP HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH. Wrath is OVER. It is the time of judgement.

As for Revelation 19, it is when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of wrath. Wrath is not over, but Armageddon is getting ready to happen. The 7th vial is ALSO the end of wrath. The trumpets and vials happen in the same timeframe.

In conclusion, @David in NJ cannot be correct that the 6th seal second coming is the 7th trumpet second advent.

In conclusion the Apostle Paul and David are correct in the Second Coming at the last trump.

Revelation only has 7 trumps and at the 'last one' Christ comes.

Revelation is a REPEATING STORY = thus Revelation ch19 is the Final Story of the Second Coming

 

[The Light]

Now educate yourself on the 6th Seal and go back and read Matthew ch24 and Acts ch2

I am already educated on the 6th seal. It is the coming of Jesus immediately after the tribulation when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

You said the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet are the same and THEY ARE NOT.

The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus before wrath and the 7th seal is the coming of Jesus at the end of wrath, AKA the secnd advent.

You are a postwrather and don't even know it, as you lack understanding.

 

[The Light]

ewq1938 says: "Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse."

pre-trib rapture goes against Christ's words/commands in MANY places in scripture.

He skips half of Revelation and pretends it doesn't happen. Why, I don't know.

 

[amigo de christo]

Is rev 14 when Jesus COMES during the trib to gather the Jews, the same as His coming post wrath on white horses with the saints?

Christ dont come to gather the jews anymore than he comes to gather the gentiles .
NOW LEARN THIS WELL .
CHRIST COMES TO GATHER THE BELIEVING JEW AND BELIEVING GENTILE . AKA THE CHURCH .
ITS A one TIME Event pardner .
Pre trib taught you all this stuff .
Paul never wrote to the church and tried to seperate out the jewish believer from the gentile one .
WHEN HE wrote to the church , IT WAS THE CHURCH . And to the CHURCH he wrote what he wrote .
THERE IS no teaching that ever teaches GOD cometh for HIS CHURCH
later he comes to gather just the jews . MEN taught that stuff .
JESUS nor any other apostel ever once did .
THEY taught , CHURCH , those who BELEIVE IN CHRIST , its men who do as men do . BUT ITS HIGH TIME
to do as JESUS said to do . LEARN the doctrine for YOU . cause many men do deceive .
JESUS COMETH TO GATHER THOSE WHO BELIEVED ON HIM . THE REST GO UNDER THE WRATH OF GOD
THE flesh saveth none . The jew will wail as much as will the gentile who believed not ON THE DAY OF CHRIST .
But to the believing jew and gentile they shall be forever WITH HIM . YOU GO and learn what that meaneth .

 

[David in NJ]

I am already educated on the 6th seal. It is the coming of Jesus immediately after the tribulation when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

You said the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet are the same and THEY ARE NOT.

The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus before wrath and the 7th seal is the coming of Jesus at the end of wrath, AKA the secnd advent.

You are a postwrather and don't even know it, as you lack understanding.

Return to Post 803 and Post 800 as well.

 

[amigo de christo]

In Revelation, "then" denotes what the Apostle John was shown 'next'.

Did you ever notice that God repeated the 'blood sacrifices' every year since it points to Christ and His Sacrifice?

Same with the 7 feasts repeating every year.

Same with the 7th day/sabbath repeating weekly = until Christ came and fulfilled them all.

Stephanas was written about as being one of the FIRST FRUITS in antioch .
I dont think folks understand at all what FIRST FRUIT means .
My advice is that we prepare the church to be ready to lose all for JESUS sake .
To not touch nor take that nasty mark , to remain faithful to CHRIST unto the end .
And give no false hope to any man . OH JESUS WILL SURELY COME FOR HIS CHURCH .
On that i have no doubt . BUT WHEN HE DO , HE COMETH TO LAY DOWN THE WRATH OF
GOD against the beast , and all who followed it and the lie .
THIS IS a one time event . THERE is no TWO second comings . THERE is no rapture and then later a SECOND coming .
THE RAPTURE , IS THE SECOND COMING . and its high time folks realize that .
Its high time folks realize that they gonna have to pay a price . That there is a cost .
BUT that nothing compares to the GLORY that shall be revelead to the lambs on HIS DAY .
WE look forward to HIS COMING , knowing full well that in this life there will be a cost . But that , that cost
cannot even compare to the paradise to the GLORY that shall be revealed unto us on HIS day .
PS , THE WORLD wont like HIS COMING for it denied HIM . but the lambs shall rejoice on HIS day .
TILLL THEN things are only gonna get far worse in this world and fast too . I MEAN very fast .
FOR SIN Has abounded massive and has taken the hearts of the peoples unto a lie which cannot and will not save them .
IT is a lie that offers up a false love and has given them a false hope of salvation . Satan sleeps not
the mystery of inquity rests not . THIS world has been prepared unto this hour .
Budda cannot save them nor deliver them from the wrath to come , nor can any other religoin .
SURE the lie that unites might make life easier for them all in this world and our rejecting the lie will make it
worse for us in this world . BUT GUESS what , IN THE END WE WIN FOR JESUS HAS WON .
ETERNAL LIFE BE FOREVER , this life is but a speck of a dot , a vapor that appeared but for a dot , a fraction of time .
What matters IS THIS . DID WE KNOW GOD . WELL if we dont know CHRIST , if we dont beleive
THEN WE DONT KNOW GOD and thus i will leave us with JESUS own words .
HE who has the SON has eternal life , HE who has not the SON has not life but the WRATH OF GOD abides on HIM .
YEAH islam cant save a soul , nor can any false love . EITHER WE BELIEVE IN CHRIST and follow HIM
or we have been decieved and follow a lie .

 

[Timtofly]

Look at the context and stop guessing and contorting scripture.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

God will send Jesus, which was preached to all of us about his second advent that he should come back. And heaven must receive him till that time comes in the restoration of all things. He is in heaven now and must be kept there till he is sent. A child could understand this.

Do not call God a liar!

Whom the heaven must receive.—The words have a pregnant force: “must receive and keep.

The word "Until" implies he would not leave heaven since his ascendance, then he shall return to earth at the restoration of all things from a corrupted state.

Whom the heaven must receive; that is, contain after it hath received him, as a real place doth a true body; for such Christ’s body was, which was received into heaven: Until the times of restitution of all things; or restoration of all things, when all things shall be restored to that condition from which sin put them

From Got questions:

The same Messiah who died for them would one day return for them (Acts 3:20). Now, Christ is in heaven until the time of restoration of all things that the Hebrew prophets had described (Acts 3:21).

The time of restoration of all things is mentioned by Paul: “The creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God” (Romans 8:21). John recorded Jesus saying, “I am making everything new!” (Revelation 21:5).

Neither of which is on a Pre-TB timeline. I can post my thoughts on it, I can post over 20 commentaries on it, I can post a few Pastors sermons on it, I can post random responses from Got Questions.com and Wiki on it as well as other people from various blogs, forums and such and guess what @The Light - They all agree with how it's written except YOU!

I trust in God's word to lead me and I hold his word as the highest authority. But I still will look at other's writings to gain insight though I take it all with a grain of salt. These people are amills, premills, Baptists, assembly of God, Lutherns etc and they all read this one text the same way. But you distort it to try and fit something it cannot. When people cannot even read a sentence and understand it, we have a bigger problem in this country.

Jesus is on the earth while it is being restored. This period of restoration is the same period as the judgment as the judgment is part of the restoration.

Can one be baptized without water? In the OT the water was both the cleansing and the judgment. Baptism was a type of cleansing and restoration in one form, water.

At the Second Coming the judgment and cleansing is by fire, and the restoration is after the cleansing fire. Thus the baptism of fire prophesied by John the Baptist.

The 6th Seal is the fire event of 2 Peter 3. It comes to prepare the Day of the Lord which is the Millennial Kingdom. Jesus is on the earth with those sealed 144k between the 6th and 7th Seal being opened. Since Jesus came to the Mount of Olives per Zechariah 14 at the 6th Seal, the church was already gathered and glorified in the 5th Seal per what Paul said about the Second Coming. Paul, Jesus, and John in Revelation 6 all declared that Jesus comes to earth with all His angels. John used the symbolic term the stars all fell to earth. Since the firmament was removed as being the firmament, the stars all came to earth as Jesus claims. The angels gather all the sheep and goats out of their nations they were born in. There are no airplanes to fly them to Jerusalem to be judged.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations:"

That is why the angels are all on the earth. To bring the sheep and goats to Jerusalem. They are the nations gathered, because of God knows who is who, so He sends angels to gather them. This is during the Trumpets.

The tribulation of the church is the first 4 seals. The tribulation of those days. The rapture is part of the 5th Seal where all the church is glorified, called the putting on of white robes by John and the putting on of immortality by Paul. That is putting on the spirit to restore us as full sons of God.

Before the angels arrive on earth for the sealing and gathering of Israel out of the nations, the church was raptured by the angels like at what happens every time a soul leaves for Paradise since the thief on the Cross.

The harvest is about removing both the church and Israel, but for Israel it is not a rapture to Paradise. They will return to the earth for the Millennium. The church is not returning until after the Millennium in the New Jerusalem.

If Satan is allowed 42 months, Israel returns on white horses at Armageddon. The third harvest is the tares burned in the fire and the wheat placed in the barn. The wheat are all the other nations living on the earth during the Millennium. Enough people to start a first generation for all nations on earth. They are not Christians nor saved. They are changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. The restoration complete and Adam's punishment of sin and death removed for all on earth, per Daniel 9:24. When the 7th Trumpet stops sounding the 70 week is declared completed. All on earth are and born as sons of God, but still not glorified. They are still here on earth to procreate and subdue the earth as that is what humanity is on earth for.

No one seems to understand, that as sons of God restored in heaven as the church, they become as the angels. They are no longer seperate genders. They are not lonely individuals, so no need of the Adam and Eve split. But people argue over whether sons of God are the angels or not, that no one gets Genesis 1 correct. What we are as sons of God is like Adam was before there was an Eve. That is the whole point of no more procreation. Not that procreation stops per dispensations of time. Procreation stops because Eve is no longer separated from Adam. Seems no one takes how Eve was formed as literal, but mere symbolic of the marriage institution itself. They claim Eve was created on the 6th day, instead.

 

[David in NJ]

Stephanas was written about as being one of the FIRST FRUITS in antioch .
I dont think folks understand at all what FIRST FRUIT means .
My advice is that we prepare the church to be ready to lose all for JESUS sake .
To not touch nor take that nasty mark , to remain faithful to CHRIST unto the end .
And give no false hope to any man . OH JESUS WILL SURELY COME FOR HIS CHURCH .
On that i have no doubt . BUT WHEN HE DO , HE COMETH TO LAY DOWN THE WRATH OF
GOD against the beast , and all who followed it and the lie .
THIS IS a one time event . THERE is no TWO second comings . THERE is no rapture and then later a SECOND coming .
THE RAPTURE , IS THE SECOND COMING . and its high time folks realize that .
Its high time folks realize that they gonna have to pay a price . That there is a cost .
BUT that nothing compares to the GLORY that shall be revelead to the lambs on HIS DAY .
WE look forward to HIS COMING , knowing full well that in this life there will be a cost . But that , that cost
cannot even compare to the paradise to the GLORY that shall be revealed unto us on HIS day .
PS , THE WORLD wont like HIS COMING for it denied HIM . but the lambs shall rejoice on HIS day .
TILLL THEN things are only gonna get far worse in this world and fast too . I MEAN very fast .
FOR SIN Has abounded massive and has taken the hearts of the peoples unto a lie which cannot and will not save them .
IT is a lie that offers up a false love and has given them a false hope of salvation . Satan sleeps not
the mystery of inquity rests not . THIS world has been prepared unto this hour .
Budda cannot save them nor deliver them from the wrath to come , nor can any other religoin .
SURE the lie that unites might make life easier for them all in this world and our rejecting the lie will make it
worse for us in this world . BUT GUESS what , IN THE END WE WIN FOR JESUS HAS WON .
ETERNAL LIFE BE FOREVER , this life is but a speck of a dot , a vapor that appeared but for a dot , a fraction of time .
What matters IS THIS . DID WE KNOW GOD . WELL if we dont know CHRIST , if we dont beleive
THEN WE DONT KNOW GOD and thus i will leave us with JESUS own words .
HE who has the SON has eternal life , HE who has not the SON has not life but the WRATH OF GOD abides on HIM .
YEAH islam cant save a soul , nor can any false love . EITHER WE BELIEVE IN CHRIST and follow HIM
or we have been decieved and follow a lie .

@rebuilder 454 @The Light @marks @ewq1938

The DANGER of pre-trib = when the Mark comes and they are still here, what choice will they make???

Will they realize that pre-trib was a lie at this point?
or
Will they take the Mark believing it is not the Mark because they have not been pre-trib raptured yet!!!

They firmly believe they will be 'raptured' BEFORE the coming of the wicked one.

 

[amigo de christo]

Return to Post 803 and Post 800 as well.

David , i dont know how aware you are of this false love lie that many now suck up .
WE gotta do something about that lie my friend . Cause if one believes it , WELL it dont really matter
what trib they believed in , THEY AINT gonna make it .
THERE is a love being presented to the world , to christendom and all false religoins that is UNITING them as one .
ITS NO LOVE OF GOD , ITS A LIE and it is gathering them under the dragon to be AS ONE .
ONE MIND , ONE HEART , ONE LOVE and yet none of it COMETH OF GOD . IT CAME OF THE DRAGON to unite the world
as one unto the beast , and to convince the world its time to COME against the true non conforming lambs .
THAT IS what is happening . AND we are far from the beginning of it . WE IN THE END of its rotted decay .
IT has gathered many and gathers more day by day . IT is now and has been also convincing the world
that bible believing christains ARE NOT SAFE but rather even a danger to society . FOLKS got no idea what IS
or what is about TO COME . AND IT COMETH not in the NAME of THE FATHER
but in the name of another . I see folks of all three tribs under its influence too .
TIME to mount up and strap all armour on . These days are gonna get far worse against the lambs and worldwide too .

 

[amigo de christo]

@rebuilder 454 @The Light @marks @ewq1938

The DANGER of pre-trib = when the Mark comes and they are still here, what choice will they make???

Will they realize that pre-trib was a lie at this point?
or
Will they take the Mark believing it is not the Mark because they have not been pre-trib raptured yet!!!

They firmly believe they will be 'raptured' BEFORE the coming of the wicked one.

Most are gonna take and embrace it . The man of lawlessness sleeps not .
A creation of JESUS that honors lawlessness in the name of what it calleth love , WHICH IS LAWLESSNESS ,
is working and has been working through the mystery of inquity . And he who letteth gonna do so
TILL JESUS COMES and DESTROYS HIM and all that followed IT .
Too many have fallen in love with a lie that simply cannot and will not save them .

 

[amigo de christo]

@rebuilder 454 @The Light @marks @ewq1938

The DANGER of pre-trib = when the Mark comes and they are still here, what choice will they make???

Will they realize that pre-trib was a lie at this point?
or
Will they take the Mark believing it is not the Mark because they have not been pre-trib raptured yet!!!

They firmly believe they will be 'raptured' BEFORE the coming of the wicked one.

Do you understand what i just typed to you in that other post . ITS HERE , ITS BEEN HERE
and its GATHERING THE WORLD AS ONE UNTO THE DAY OF ARMEGEDDON to come against GOD , HIS CHRIST and the lambs .
ITS HERE . only most are looking for a hollywood style anti christ . WE are running out of time david .
The delusion of the inclusion has led them to the dragon . They have , these spirits of darkness , prepared
the system and the minds and hearts of the people unto the last hour WHEREIN the world as one worships the beast .

 

[David in NJ]

David , i dont know how aware you are of this false love lie that many now suck up .
WE gotta do something about that lie my friend . Cause if one believes it , WELL it dont really matter
what trib they believed in , THEY AINT gonna make it .
THERE is a love being presented to the world , to christendom and all false religoins that is UNITING them as one .
ITS NO LOVE OF GOD , ITS A LIE and it is gathering them under the dragon to be AS ONE .
ONE MIND , ONE HEART , ONE LOVE and yet none of it COMETH OF GOD . IT CAME OF THE DRAGON to unite the world
as one unto the beast , and to convince the world its time to COME against the true non conforming lambs .
THAT IS what is happening . AND we are far from the beginning of it . WE IN THE END of its rotted decay .
IT has gathered many and gathers more day by day . IT is now and has been also convincing the world
that bible believing christains ARE NOT SAFE but rather even a danger to society . FOLKS got no idea what IS
or what is about TO COME . AND IT COMETH not in the NAME of THE FATHER
but in the name of another . I see folks of all three tribs under its influence too .
TIME to mount up and strap all armour on . These days are gonna get far worse against the lambs and worldwide too .

This is a 'gathering' under the premise of 'love'.

It is all inclusive under the banner of "God is love' and 'love your neighbor as yourself' and other verses they use.

Sounds GREAT, but what is the End of those who embrace the 'love of the world' under the false prophet and false messiah?

JESUS told us that the world loves it's own, but that love is doomed and cannot save anyone.

For God so loved the world that HE sent His Son to bear the sins of the world under intense suffering in our place.
Only thru the SON can there be Salvation from Sin.

 

[Timtofly]

Ok. So you have decided that this verse means nothing. Nothing to see here. Let's pretend it isn't here.
Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Now let's pretend like when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, that doesn't mean Christ has set up His kingdom of earth. It means nothing. Just a bunch words that we can skip over and pretend that they are not there.
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Now let's pretend like judgement does not happen. Okay let's just skip these verses and pretend they happen after the vials. And guess what, they do happen after the vials as the vials are just a different view of Gods wrath. But we can skip these verses and pretend that Christ has not set up His kingdom on earth, which means Armageddon is over, and let's forget about the judgement that happens at the end after the 7th trumpet sounds.
Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

I'm not sure why you cannot see these things. Some see, some don't. That's all I can come up with. It's like the Jews that are blinded from seeing Christ is Messiah. The verses clearly let us know that Christ has set up His kingdom on earth at the 7th trumpet.

You are missing the point.

Those 42 months are an extension in the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet.

Yes, the 7th Trumpet is the victory declaration. This is the week divided that extends the Atonement Covenant to the many.

The last 3.5 days of the 7th Trumpet is after the 42 month interruption.

That is why you miss seeing why Jesus and the 144k are on mount zion for those 42 months. Jesus and the 144k do not co-reign on the throne in Jerusalem with Satan and his angels. They wait on mount zion and return at Armageddon 42 months later.

You conflate the Second Coming of the 6th Seal, with the 7th Trumpet declaration. Two seperate events. One is prior to the Trumpets and Thunders. The other is the 7th Trumpet. Now the other poster thinks the Second Coming is Armageddon. He denies any Second Coming prior to Armageddon. The 7 Trumpet is not a rapture. Jesus does not "rapture". Jesus will ascend with the 144k to mount zion to wait until those 42 months are over.

John does not give every explanation necessary, but no one needs to change the chronological order of Revelation at all. Because changing the order introduces one's private interpretation into Scripture, and changes are arbitrary, so no one agrees on what changes need to be made anyways.

What needs to be agreed about is the why Jesus and the 144k are now on mount zion, instead of Jesus being in the throne since the 6th Seal was opened. You deny there is a Second Coming as well, but the 6th Seal is the only Second Coming as described in Zechariah 14, the Olivet Discourse, and the writings of Paul and Peter. Revelation 19 does not fit any of those Scriptures.

Armageddon is not a thief in the night, twinkling of an eye event. It is a planned event down to the very day and hour. All of humanity left at that point are standing in that valley at Megiddo waiting for that horse army from heaven, prepared to defend the earth for Satan. Unfortunately it is just the winepress of God's wrath.

If the 42 months do not happen then the winepress of God's wrath in Revelation 14 happens. The 7th Trumpet stops sounding. The Millennium begins. No 42 months, no leaving for mount zion, and no return at Armageddon. And no changing the chronological order. Stating the 42 months may or may not happen is not re-arranging the order. It is merely giving two different outcomes. Either Revelation 14 or Revelation 19. Revelation 20 still happens and Satan is bound either way. The FP and beast are not in Revelation 20. They only exist if those 42 months happen. Revelation 13 is after the 7th Trumpet starts sounding, in the midst of the week of days of the 7th Trumpet.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is a 'gathering' under the premise of 'love'.

It is all inclusive under the banner of "God is love' and 'love your neighbor as yourself' and other verses they use.

Sounds GREAT, but what is the End of those who embrace the 'love of the world' under the false prophet and false messiah?

JESUS told us that the world loves it's own, but that love is doomed and cannot save anyone.

For God so loved the world that HE sent His Son to bear the sins of the world under intense suffering in our place.
Only thru the SON can there be Salvation from Sin.

Why do you think pope francis gave that huge message back in twenty sixteen .
His prayer and then it showed all the major religions joining as one and all saying GOD is love .
THIS IS THE ONE WORLD RELIGOIN , IT IS THE LOVE that gathers even atheists .
Cause all believe in a concept of love . ITS a wordly version no doubt . Anti christ sleepeth not .
Even now there are many anti christs .

 

[David in NJ]

Why do you think pope francis gave that huge message back in twenty sixteen .
His prayer and then it showed all the major religions joining as one and all saying GOD is love .
THIS IS THE ONE WORLD RELIGOIN , IT IS THE LOVE that gathers even atheists .
Cause all believe in a concept of love . ITS a wordly version no doubt . Anti christ sleepeth not .
Even now there are many anti christs .

Here is another deception they use by twisting scripture as the serpent does:

Jesus forgave the sins of the world, therefore there is no more sin in the world...........embrace everyone and everything

 

[amigo de christo]

Here is another deception they use by twisting scripture as the serpent does:

Jesus forgave the sins of the world, therefore there is no more sin in the world...........embrace everyone and everything

Lambs dont fall for it either . Why . cause the love that cometh of GOD for the TRUTH of HIS holy words is upon their hearts .
raise those hands and praise the LORD . men will do as men will do , the world doeth as the world doeth ,
But lambs do as JESUS said to do .

 

[The Light]

@rebuilder 454 @The Light @marks @ewq1938

The DANGER of pre-trib = when the Mark comes and they are still here, what choice will they make???

Will they realize that pre-trib was a lie at this point?
or
Will they take the Mark believing it is not the Mark because they have not been pre-trib raptured yet!!!

They firmly believe they will be 'raptured' BEFORE the coming of the wicked one.

The danger of Pretrib is not knowing there is one.

 

[David in NJ]

The danger of Pretrib is not knowing there is one.

Only in your mind.

$1,000.00 for you if you can find JESUS or the Apostles saying: "Before the AOD the Saints/Elect/Church will be raptured away"