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No bother you being a trinny and all. A lot of that going around. Adding to the scriptures is frowned upon, though. Father and Son make 2 not three. United in One Spirit....not 3 Spirits. God is Spirit and both Father and Son share one Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are One.
Forever implies there is no coming back from the second death. Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy body and soul in hell. I do not believe man's punishment necessarily goes on for eternity. But no, our human perspective and emotions need to give way to God's perspective which is higher than ours. His thoughts and His ways are higher than ours. We in our humanity are apt to sympathize with the flesh and put man at the pinnacle and center of everything instead of God. But what is man that He is mindful of us? Fallen man is like the beasts that perish. And yet He manifested His love and mercy to us in His Son. His righteousness is fulfilled in Christ Jesus. But sadly many will not believe/receive Him, hence they will perish. What does perish mean? Doesn't sound good. I believe it agrees with what Jesus said...destruction of body and soul. No immortal body given to replace our body of mortal flesh, and no eternal life.
We need to understand the character of spiritual language. There is a kind of ambiguity there which is not to be understood with the carnal mind. I guess you didn't look at the link to those synonyms of "especially". I also edited to add a paragraph after the link which maybe you also didn't see.
Actually, you are an example of someone who has latched onto the truth but with the wrong part of you. It's easy to get our wires crossed. But you have to be honest and come clean if you want to progress.
You are simply not understanding. Let the Holy Spirit illuminate and rightly divide. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah that only the nation of Israel had been waiting for for hundreds of years. Now here He is, and here it is being revealed and taught that He is not the Messiah of Israel only but of the whole world also. ie, the Gentile world. This was the mystery of God that had been hid since the beginning...now revealed.
Human reasoning that is NOT the subject of the text...but simply an endless scroll turning in your own mind. What else has been preoccupying you?
Very true sister . and how do i know this is truth and true . CAUSE JESUS SAID IT HIMSELF .I don't think anyone's brain fizzes out at that idea at all....most of us have loved ones who aren't saved and we in our humanity would much rather think they will all be saved somehow. However we are not God and our human perspective is not as high as His, which is why we need to receive His word and place it above our own thoughts and feelings.
It's hard to take one isolated verse and take it in a way that contradicts all other scriptures. We need to rightly divide it in a way that harmonizes with other scriptures. It would be helpful to at least start by looking into the meaning of that word "especially". Here are some synonyms in the English and it doesn't necessarily always have the meaning you are ascribing to it:
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As we can see in the link the word "especially" can mean primarily, mainly, chiefly, principally, but it can also mean exclusively, uniquely, specifically, singularly, expressly. It' can be kind of an ambiguous word and I believe it is on on purpose in that verse, because the truth is that Jesus IS the saviour of all men, but as we also know from other scriptures that receiving Him, the engrafted Word, is a necessary condition of partaking of the salvation that He brought, and unfortunately not all do receive Him. We need the Holy Spirit to help us get the right sense of what is meant by that verse.
Thus sayeth the epi , KING OF HUMAN REASONING . Human reasoning is what explains away THE WORDS OF CHRIST
You mean time to be indoctrinated into the big lie that will exposed by the glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
So you are a binitarian?
an easy answer . GOD IS HIS SPIRIT HE IS HIS WORD . The three are one .
Have you ever noticed that those who often accuse are the ones guilty of what they are accusing us of doing .
Another example . Epi always accuses me of having THE EGO .
LOL
This would make a good topic. Have you already done one?
You are an Annihilationist then, thanks for the clarification.
Right. Because "all" doesn't mean all in "spiritual" language? And "especially" doesn't mean especially.
Right, I didn't. Did you dig around to find something to replace "especially" to make the verse fit your doctrine?
I don't think the rules of the forum permit going into details about such a touchy subject.
