A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[APAK]

Thomas said Jesus is God. Jesus taught Thomas.

Are you really sure that Jesus said he was the uppercase capitalized God Jack? I doubt it considering the preponderance of scripture saying he never taught this at all, or never called himself this title for YHWH. I believe the disciples would agree with me. So no, although I believe Jesus was a great teacher and loved his God to do his will and not call himself the same person as his God.

 

[Jack]

Are you really sure that Jesus said he was the uppercase capitalized God Jack? I doubt it considering the preponderance of scripture saying he never taught this at all, or never called himself this title for YHWH. I believe the disciples would agree with me. So no, although I believe Jesus was a great teacher and loved his God to do his will and not call himself the same person as his God.

Every Bible I know of says “My Lord and my God!” Even the JW bible!

 

[APAK]

Every Bible I know of says “My Lord and my God!” Even the JW bible!

And I agree completely, so what is your point? Do you know the context surrounding this verse 28? I said that just looking at one verse for truth can be deceptive.

 

[Jack]

And I agree completely, so what is your point? Do you know the context surrounding this verse 28? I said that just looking at one verse for truth can be deceptive.

There are many verses that clearly say that Jesus is God, the Creator.

 

[APAK]

There are many verses that clearly say that Jesus is God, the Creator.

Well even though I do not agree with your answer, can you still answer mine concerning the context?

 

[APAK]

@Jack let me help you out here. What does verse 31 say and mean to you?

 

[APAK]

@Jack verse 31..you must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God...and you will have life in his name.....amen

 

[Jack]

Well even though I do not agree with your answer, can you still answer mine concerning the context?

Quote your "context".

@Jack verse 31..you must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God...and you will have life in his name.....amen

True indeed. And God called His Son "God".

 

[Wrangler]

And God called His Son "God".

Absolutely not. God called Jesus his son in whom he is well pleased.

My son, sitting in the drivers seat O’ Wrangler, does not make my son me.

 

[Jack]

Absolutely not. God called Jesus his son in whom he is well pleased.

My son, sitting in the drivers seat O’ Wrangler, does not make my son me.

Isn't Hebrews 1 in your Bible?

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

 

[face2face]

(CEV) verse 28: Thomas replied, " You are my Lord and my God!"

I hope you are not trying to understand the Father and the Son by viewing selective verses without knowing their associated context?

Just say, it can be deceiving

If I had a $ for every time Jack posted John 20:28 we could all retire. I find it amusing 3n1 believers think their complex godhead structure can hang off any one verse (not even all the verses in the Bible!) - it's laughable.

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[Jack]

If I had a $ for every time Jack posted John 20:28 we could all retire. I find it amusing 3n1 believers think their complex godhead structure can hang off any one verse (not even all the verses in the Bible!) - it's laughable.

F2F

So why do all you JW's avoid John 20 like plague? Oh that's right, you think angels did the creating!

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.

Jesus is God!

 

[face2face]

@Wrangler

Why did the writers not translate "slanderers" as "devils" in 2 Timothy 3:3

I love making a mockery of false teachings, it such an easy target once you have the understanding and context. I believe you know why Wrangler and I believe its well within your abilities to research this subject for yourself and draw to a right understanding...it takes an honest and sincere approach to the Word - draw out the facts then apply them elsewhere. I'll be interested to see if you can work out why to my question and understand the consequences of not doing so.

The next step for you is to then question how these words have been used in other context and then draw out the real meaning.

Very rewarding.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Isn't Hebrews 1 in your Bible?

Hebrews 1
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

High degree of ignorance here Jack...all these years in this forum and what have you learned?

Which translation do you prefer Jack?

1. "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever" (A.V.)
2. "God is thy throne for ever and ever" (R.S.V. mg.)

I assume the first of these translations is useful for the trinitarian, it will be assumed that this is the correct translation.

True Jack? And even then it doesn't prove your complex formula - miles away in fact.

F2F

 

[Jack]

@Wrangler

Why did the writers not translate "slanderers" as "devils" in 2 Timothy 3:3

I love making a mockery of false teachings, it such an easy target once you have the understanding and context. I believe you know why Wrangler and I believe its well within your abilities to research this subject for yourself and draw to a right understanding...it takes an honest and sincere approach to the Word - draw out the facts then apply them elsewhere. I'll be interested to see if you can work out why to my question and understand the consequences of not doing so.

The next step for you is to then question how these words have been used in other context and then draw out the real meaning.

Very rewarding.

F2F

Note how face2face conveniently changed the subject.

 

[Jack]

High degree of ignorance here Jack...all these years in this forum and what have you learned?

Which translation do you prefer Jack?

1. "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever" (A.V.)
2. "God is thy throne for ever and ever" (R.S.V. mg.)

I assume the first of these translations is useful for the trinitarian, it will be assumed that this is the correct translation.

True Jack? And even then it doesn't prove your complex formula - miles away in fact.

F2F

Hebrews 1:8 (DRV) 8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (ASV) 8 but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (AMP) 8 But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever

Hebrews 1:8 (CSBBible) 8 but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (CEB) 8 But he says to his Son, God, your throne is forever

Hebrews 1:8 (CJB) 8 but to the Son, he says, “Your throne, O God,

Hebrews 1:8 (CEV) 8 But God says about his Son, "You are God,

Hebrews 1:8 (Darby) 8 but as to the Son, Thy throne, O God,

Hebrews 1:8 (DRV) 8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (ETRV) 8 But this is what he said about his Son: "God, your kingdom will last forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (ESV) 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (GW) 8 But God said about his Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (HCSB) 8 but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (ICB) 8 But God said this about his Son: "God, your throne will last forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (KJV) 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (MLB) 8 but as to the Son, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (NET1) 8 but of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB77) 8 But of the Son He says, " THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB) 8 But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,

Hebrews 1:8 (NCV) 8 But God said this about his Son: “God, your throne will last forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (NIV) 8 But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (NIV2011) 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (NJB) 8 but to the Son he says: Your throne, God, is for ever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (NLT2) 8 But to the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (NRSV) 8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (RSV) 8 But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (TLB) 8 but of his Son he says, "Your Kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (MSG) 8 But he says to the Son, You're God, and on the throne for good;

Hebrews 1:8 (TEV) 8 About the Son, however, God said: "Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever!

Hebrews 1:8 (Webster's Bible) 8 But to the Son, he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (YLT) 8 and unto the Son: `Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age;

 

[Jack]

@Wrangler

Why did the writers not translate "slanderers" as "devils" in 2 Timothy 3:3

I love making a mockery of false teachings, it such an easy target once you have the understanding and context. I believe you know why Wrangler and I believe its well within your abilities to research this subject for yourself and draw to a right understanding...it takes an honest and sincere approach to the Word - draw out the facts then apply them elsewhere. I'll be interested to see if you can work out why to my question and understand the consequences of not doing so.

The next step for you is to then question how these words have been used in other context and then draw out the real meaning.

Very rewarding.

F2F

You mean Wrangler who doesn't believe that Jesus is the Savior?

 

[face2face]

@Wrangler

Look at this nonsense The Devil doesn't believe the Rapture is coming; the Devil is counting on the Tribulation causing Men to fear (still not praying?)

It's delusion on an unimaginable scale

F2F

 

[Jack]

@Wrangler

Look at this nonsense The Devil doesn't believe the Rapture is coming; the Devil is counting on the Tribulation causing Men to fear (still not praying?)

It's delusion on an unimaginable scale

F2F

Do you also deny the everlasting fire and deity of Jesus?

 

[face2face]

Hebrews 1:8 (DRV) 8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (ASV) 8 but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (AMP) 8 But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever

Hebrews 1:8 (CSBBible) 8 but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (CEB) 8 But he says to his Son, God, your throne is forever

Hebrews 1:8 (CJB) 8 but to the Son, he says, “Your throne, O God,

Hebrews 1:8 (CEV) 8 But God says about his Son, "You are God,

Hebrews 1:8 (Darby) 8 but as to the Son, Thy throne, O God,

Hebrews 1:8 (DRV) 8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (ETRV) 8 But this is what he said about his Son: "God, your kingdom will last forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (ESV) 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (GW) 8 But God said about his Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (HCSB) 8 but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (ICB) 8 But God said this about his Son: "God, your throne will last forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (KJV) 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (MLB) 8 but as to the Son, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (NET1) 8 but of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB77) 8 But of the Son He says, " THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB) 8 But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,

Hebrews 1:8 (NCV) 8 But God said this about his Son: “God, your throne will last forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (NIV) 8 But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (NIV2011) 8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (NJB) 8 but to the Son he says: Your throne, God, is for ever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (NLT2) 8 But to the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:8 (NRSV) 8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (RSV) 8 But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever,

Hebrews 1:8 (TLB) 8 but of his Son he says, "Your Kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever;

Hebrews 1:8 (MSG) 8 But he says to the Son, You're God, and on the throne for good;

Hebrews 1:8 (TEV) 8 About the Son, however, God said: "Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever!

Hebrews 1:8 (Webster's Bible) 8 But to the Son, he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

Hebrews 1:8 (YLT) 8 and unto the Son: `Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age;

Wow, the text must be difficult for them to interpret Jack.

tn Or possibly, “Your throne is God forever and ever.” This translation is quite doubtful, however, since (1) in the context the Son is being contrasted to the angels and is presented as far better than they. The imagery of God being the Son’s throne would seem to be of God being his authority. If so, in what sense could this not be said of the angels? In what sense is the Son thus contrasted with the angels? (2) The μέν…δέ (men…de) construction that connects v. 7 with v. 8 clearly lays out this contrast: “On the one hand, he says of the angels…on the other hand, he says of the Son.” Thus, although it is grammatically possible that θεός (theos) in v. 8 should be taken as a predicate nominative, the context and the correlative conjunctions are decidedly against it. NET notes

Maybe you should use a verse which is not so heavily disputed?

It doesn't look good if you favor a certain translation to uphold the teachings of men.

F2F