Israel is Babylon the Great!

[Earburner]

So you believe the spirit of Antichrist can be in many places at one time and that he infects believers! Okay then! He doesn't infect thte lost according to 2 thess. 2 but to believers if the only temple is the believer!

I'm sorry, but you are not reading it correctly of that which I said in my two posts: 87 and 98.
I am NOT talking about "half baked" professing christians, who live by their denominational religion, but rather I am speaking of born again Christians, who DO HAVE the literal Spirit of Christ within them, aka "the mind of Christ".
Of these, Satan can NEVER re-enter them again, because the Holy Spirit of God has taken up permanent residence within them.

God's salvation plan for us is a two stage process. John 14:23; Rom. 8:8-9.
1. We are "called" unto repentance and are baptized by water.
2. We are then made to be "chosen", when we ask for the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13; Rev. 3:20.
Mat. 20
[16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Unfortunately, many professing christians are only half way home, and have not personally committed unto the Lord for HIS USE of them, but rather are going about "establishing their own form of godliness (righteousness)" by their own works. 2 Peter 1:10, 2 Tim. 3:5.
Rev. 3[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Many of such are under the chastisement of the Lord, UNTIL they have fully committed unto Him, whereby they are then made fully conscious of what Rom. 13:1 actually means.
Rom. 13[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Edit:
No one is saved by water baptism alone.
One must HAVE the Spirit of Christ within them.
2 Peter 1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

 

[ewq1938]

Nope. If you knew the promises of God in the OT to the nation of Israel (the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) you would know it is not to the church but to natural Israel that God will fulfill all His promises made to the nation.

Natural Israel is the church. Haven't you read about the natural branches and new branches grafted in? The unfaithful natural branches were REMOVED. Those branches aren't getting anything but judgment and wrath when the time is right.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jeremiah 31:31-38

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:​

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Sorry, but Gods word speaks of ethnic natural Israel, not some mystical "covenant" Israel. Especially the New Covenant- for it was not some mystical Israel that broke the old covenant.

Your teachings are found unbiblical and wanting, because in Hebrews chapters 8 and 9 God Himself references this New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 and declares it fulfilled in Christ. Not national Israel. I would suggest you study Jeremiah chapter 31 in "THE LIGHT" of Hebrews chapters 8 and 9: e.g.,

Hebrews 8:6-11

• "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
• For if that First Covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
• For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
• Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
• For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
• And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

We all know Christ without a teacher (1st John 2:27) because of the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentecost instituting the New Covenant with Israel. The Old being passed away.

What "First Covenant?" What "Better Covenant." The New Covenant or Testament of course. The New Covenant with the Congregation Israel verses the Old Covenant with the Congregation Israel.

"He who hath an ear, let him hear."

This is the New Covenant (Testament), and Gentiles are being grafted into it. As is made clear in Revelation 20, we are in the Millennial Kingdom reign now, Satan was bound at the cross so that the nations might be made free, and Christ has ascended to his throne and established the New Testament (Covenant) Kingdom.

Hebrews 8:13

• "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Dispensationalists would do well to start actually reading what Scripture says and "receiving" what God says.

 

[Zao is life]

I find it stunning that you use the term saints to describe people who will worship the antichrist. Saints will not do that.

Also that is not what Gods Word says. It does say that the man of sin will enter the temple of God and declare himself God. that would be demon possession of saved individuals which is a biblical impossibility.

Gods promises to Israel. Some are fojnd in Jesus, but the rest to the nation itself.

Like Israel will be the center of a worldwide government during the millenial kingdom and gentile nations must send a representative to Jerusalem during feast of tabernavcles or face a year of drought in the land. Even th emost rabid allegorist cannot attribut that in Jesus.

There is no Jew or Gentile in Israel because there is no Jew or Gentile in Christ. The first promise of God to Abraham was that he would become the father of a multitude of goy (Gentile) nations. God repeated the promise three times.

But you do not hear because you cannot hear, because you deny scripture.

And crying again with a loud voice, Jesus released His spirit. And, behold! The veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. And the earth quaked, and the rocks were sheared -- Matthew 27:50-51

Therefore, my brothers, having boldness to enter into the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He has consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say, His flesh; and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies having been washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering (for He is faithful who promised) -- Hebrews 10:19-23

The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. -- Acts 17:24

You do not believe scripture. You call a temple made with human hands "the temple of God".

You cannot claim to believe the New Testament AND believe in the falsehood that the Temple the man of sin will seat himself up in is something that will be made with human hands.

God only has one Temple. One sanctuary. Not two, and not many. Israel is a multitude of nations and is one nation in Christ.

God has only one covenant with Israel - the New Covenant in the blood of Christ. Those who perish in the wilderness in their unbelief will not enter. You should be calling people into the only Ark of their salvation, not telling them they're OK so they can stay outside and perish along with all the other unbelieving peoples when the flood comes.

Your doctrine is against Christ, not for Him.​

 

[Earburner]

Your teachings are found unbiblical and wanting, because in Hebrews chapters 8 and 9 God Himself references this New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 and declares it fulfilled in Christ. Not national Israel. I would suggest you study Jeremiah chapter 31 in "THE LIGHT" of Hebrews chapters 8 and 9: e.g.,

Hebrews 8:6-11

• "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
• For if that First Covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
• For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
• Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
• For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
• And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

We all know Christ without a teacher (1st John 2:27) because of the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentecost instituting the New Covenant with Israel. The Old being passed away.

What "First Covenant?" What "Better Covenant." The New Covenant or Testament of course. The New Covenant with the Congregation Israel verses the Old Covenant with the Congregation Israel.

"He who hath an ear, let him hear."

This is the New Covenant (Testament), and Gentiles are being grafted into it. As is made clear in Revelation 20, we are in the Millennial Kingdom reign now, Satan was bound at the cross so that the nations might be made free, and Christ has ascended to his throne and established the New Testament (Covenant) Kingdom.

Hebrews 8:13

• "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Dispensationalists would do well to start actually reading what Scripture says and "receiving" what God says.

All of Romans 11 also describes Israel's condition thoroughly. However, we are to take notice of verses 28-32.
[28] As concerning the gospel [good news of Christ Himself], they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
[29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
[30] For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
[31] Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy (through having faith in Jesus. Mat.23:39)
[32] For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

We are to conclude that those who were not of "the election", under the OC, shall not be saved, because of unbelief in the promise of Messiah who was to come.

However, those who were of faith in the Messiah to come, while under the altar of the OC, they are the election of God.
Though all these had died in faith long ago, they who were spoken of in Malachi 3:16, as being "remembered" by God, are those who are "the election of God".

Therefore after Jesus was glorified (John 7:39), "the election of God" are seen under the altar in Rev. 6:9-11, receiving the Gift of God's Holy Spirit (white robes).

If you can receive it, "the election of God", "under the altar" ARE the 144,000.
God did not forget them, and they are now written in the Book of Life, ever since the day of when Jesus was glorified.

 

[Zao is life]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

If Revelation's Babylon the Great is referring to a Jewish 'harlot' then it means that Judah/Judea who don't even believe in Christ, is Israel, rather than the church.

The kings of the earth committing fornication with Babylon the Great are identified in Revelation 1:5 and Babylon the Great is the anti-thesis of New Jerusalem.



In the book of Revelation, only:-

(1) Jezebel of the church at Thyatira & her followers; as well as
(2) the kings of the earth; and
(3) the harlot

are said to commit fornication.

No people that are not part of God's elect can be called a harlot.

You're living in the past. You need to get out of your horse-drawn Roman carriage and the Israel of 2,000 years ago that cannot be a harlot since it was broken off from covenant relationship with God, and come into the New Testament.

 

[PinSeeker]

Natural Israel is the church. Haven't you read about the natural branches and new branches grafted in? The unfaithful natural branches were REMOVED. Those branches aren't getting anything but judgment and wrath when the time is right.

Well, Christ's church will ultimately include some of natural Israel, the physical, outward descendants of Abraham.

In Romans 11, Paul is speaking to the Romans (obviously), who are included among the Gentiles. He calls them "wild olive shoots" who are "grafted in among the others and now (sharing) in the nourishing root of the olive tree"(11:17).

And then he draws a distinction between them and the natural branches "broken off because of their unbelief..." so that "...these wild olive shoots..." Gentile believers "...might be grafted in" (11:19-21). These are the ethnic ~ physical, outward ~ Jews.

So no, these natural branches are the outward descendants of Abraham, ethnic Jews, and, as Paul goes on to say, "...even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you..." (Romans/Gentiles) "...were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree" (11:23-24).

Christ's Church is synonymous with God's Israel and includes ~ is an innumerable multitude of ~ people from every tongue, tribe and nation, both Jew and Gentile, those whom God calls.

It is very true though, that if these natural branches (ethnic Jews) do continue in their unbelief, they (along with all unbelievers) will be resurrected to judgment (John 5:29), and will be among those on Jesus's left in the final Judgment, and will... depart (Matthew 25:41-46) to, well, somewhere else. And these, in suffering the second death, will never experience the new heaven and new earth, and will remain under God's eternal judgment (which is unimaginable, really, and terribly frightening to even think about).

By the same token, though, those whom God does call will be resurrected to eternal life (John 5:28), and will be among those on Jesus's right in the final Judgment (Matthew 25:34-40), will hear Jesus say to them, "Well done, good and faithful servant... enter into the joy of your master" (Matthew 25:21-23), and will enter into the new heaven and new earth. This also is unimaginable, really, but exceedingly glorious and joyful to think about.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm sorry, but you are not reading it correctly of that which I said in my two posts: 87 and 98.
I am NOT talking about "half baked" professing christians, who live by their denominational religion, but rather I am speaking of born again Christians, who DO HAVE the literal Spirit of Christ within them, aka "the mind of Christ".
Of these, Satan can NEVER re-enter them again, because the Holy Spirit of God has taken up permanent residence within them.

God's salvation plan for us is a two stage process. John 14:23; Rom. 8:8-9.
1. We are "called" unto repentance and are baptized by water.
2. We are then made to be "chosen", when we ask for the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13; Rev. 3:20.
Mat. 20
[16] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Unfortunately, many professing christians are only half way home, and have not personally committed unto the Lord for HIS USE of them, but rather are going about "establishing their own form of godliness (righteousness)" by their own works. 2 Peter 1:10, 2 Tim. 3:5.
Rev. 3[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Many of such are under the chastisement of the Lord, UNTIL they have fully committed unto Him, whereby they are then made fully conscious of what Rom. 13:1 actually means.
Rom. 13[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Edit:
No one is saved by water baptism alone.
One must HAVE the Spirit of Christ within them.
2 Peter 1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Well one is either a christian or not! This two stage process you speak of is unbiblical. Once a person trusts Christ for their salvation they are born again and immediately filled with the Spirit.

and we were the "chosen" before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 2

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Natural Israel is the church. Haven't you read about the natural branches and new branches grafted in? The unfaithful natural branches were REMOVED. Those branches aren't getting anything but judgment and wrath when the time is right.

Natural Israel are the physical descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob! Spiritual Israel are the saved natural descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob. Nowhere in Scrfipture is the church called Israel.

Paul makes clear distinctions between I srael and the church.

Also Paul makes it clear tht Israel has not been forgotten by God nor mystically transferred to be the church. If so, then you have to admit that in verse 25 part of the church is blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in ( who would they be- the unchurched?)

Romans 11 makes clear that Most of Israel has been cast off ONLY FOR NOW. As Paul concludes this chapter- the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your teachings are found unbiblical and wanting, because in Hebrews chapters 8 and 9 God Himself references this New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 and declares it fulfilled in Christ. Not national Israel. I would suggest you study Jeremiah chapter 31 in "THE LIGHT" of Hebrews chapters 8 and 9: e.g.,

Hebrews 8:6-11

• "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
• For if that First Covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
• For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
• Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
• For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
• And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."

We all know Christ without a teacher (1st John 2:27) because of the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentecost instituting the New Covenant with Israel. The Old being passed away.

What "First Covenant?" What "Better Covenant." The New Covenant or Testament of course. The New Covenant with the Congregation Israel verses the Old Covenant with the Congregation Israel.

"He who hath an ear, let him hear."

This is the New Covenant (Testament), and Gentiles are being grafted into it. As is made clear in Revelation 20, we are in the Millennial Kingdom reign now, Satan was bound at the cross so that the nations might be made free, and Christ has ascended to his throne and established the New Testament (Covenant) Kingdom.

Hebrews 8:13

• "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Dispensationalists would do well to start actually reading what Scripture says and "receiving" what God says.

Well despite you rjuvenile insults at the end, you are wrong.

Let us look at the covenant:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Now as you think I cannot read the Scriptures, I will ask you these questions and wait for your answers, as you think the covenant is now in effect.

1. If the houses of Israel and Judah are not the twelve tribes, who are each of them?
2. Are you saying both houses now have the law of God written in their inward parts?
3. Both houses of Israel are gods people again?
4. Both houses no longer have to teach themselves to know the Lord for all of them know the Lord now?
5. when did God make an old covenant with any gentile houses?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no Jew or Gentile in Israel because there is no Jew or Gentile in Christ. The first promise of God to Abraham was that he would become the father of a multitude of goy (Gentile) nations. God repeated the promise three times.

But you do not hear because you cannot hear, because you deny scripture.

Have the last word! we are done. I do not anymore discuss with people who have the audity to be a liar to my face about what I do or do not do when they know little to nothing abou tme.

Have the last word.

I will expose more of your bearing false witness against the brethren on other threads I am sure.

Just because I do not spiritualize the bible to reinterpret it according to allegorical hermeneutrics and covenantal theology doe sno tmake me wrong or ignorant. You are too puffed up and need a good shakedown from God HImself.

Have you rlas thoughts here liar!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Let us look at the covenant:

The problem is that you have refused to compare Scripture with Scripture. Have you compared Jeremiah chapter 31 with Hebrews chapters 8 and 9?

1. If the houses of Israel and Judah are not the twelve tribes, who are each of them?
2. Are you saying both houses now have the law of God written in their inward parts?
3. Both houses of Israel are gods people again?
4. Both houses no longer have to teach themselves to know the Lord for all of them know the Lord now?
5. when did God make an old covenant with any gentile houses?

The houses of Israel and Judah whom the Lord has a New Covenant with are actually spiritual Israel. Again the New Covenant with Israel "IS" with God's chosen people, the congregation of Israel, made up of both Jews and Gentiles. Look it up for yourself with Jeremiah 31 in conjunction with Hebrews 8-9. There is the Old Testament/Covenant, and there is the New Testament/ Covenant with Israel.

 

[TribulationSigns]

All of Romans 11 also describes Israel's condition thoroughly. However, we are to take notice of verses 28-32.
[28] As concerning the gospel [good news of Christ Himself], they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Let focus on verse 28:

Romans 11:28

• " As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes."

The unbelieving Jews are enemies of the gospel, and indeed of converted Jews and Gentiles. But as for the election of Israel, these are beloved for the promises made to the fathers. For example, the promise to the fathers of deliverance would be kept in "this Election." This verse contrasts the two Israels (Romans 9:6), which are unbelieving Israel (who are enemies of the Church), and election (who are beloved) of God.

There are those who object to "all Israel" in verse 26 pertaining to only the elect, because they surmise that then the elect in this verse would have to be regarded as enemies. They come to this conclusion because they either forget, or ignore the witness of the context, and of the whole Bible in general. God has already informed us that, "All Israel are not Israel." So then, when it says in the proceeding verses that "ALL ISRAEL shall be saved," it must refer only to the Israel of God who are elect. The election of Israel excludes those who are not elect of Israel. Even as the scriptures declared:

"..Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."

The election of Israel have obtained that promise, and the rest of Israel were blinded, even as the imagery of the branches of the Olive tree signified.

And in truth, even the staunchest defender of the distinction of Israel will usually not claim that the term "all Israel" means every single person in Israel will be saved. Therefore, despite his protests, that shows that he does recognize that some of Israel are not included in this "all Israel" that shall be saved. Thus he is actually agreeing that it means only some of the nation of Israel shall be saved.

Moreover, when scripture declared, "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins," then by definition, and by any normal grammatical structure, this "all Israel" in view will then have their sins washed away.

1st John 3:5-6

• "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
• Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

This was the coming of Christ, when He took away Israel's sins. And so indeed, those of Israel who reject this Christ, they become enemies because of the gospel. While concerning those of Israel who are elect, they are beloved because of the promise to the fathers. All Israel is either for Christ, or they are against Him. There is no in-between. We are seeing the external covenant Israel, and the election that are part of the eternal covenant Israel.

1. Concerning the gospel, the nation of Israel is blinded and are enemies for our sakes (the Gentiles). For they are at enmity with Christ, and that enmity was the occasion that brought salvation to the whole Gentiles.
2. Concerning the Election, these of Israel are beloved as the remnant whom God has brought through the fire and purged them from their sins, fulfilling the promise to their fathers.

Israel persecuted the Church because of the gospel message it brought. They are thus enemies for the Church's sake. Which Paul also confessed he did likewise before his conversion, when he was a blind Israelite.

1st Corinthians 15:9

• "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

But Paul was part of the election Israel, within external Israel. God is using him gloriously to bring about salvation to the Gentiles, and accomplish His purposes. His salvation as an Israelite is the fulfillment of the promises He made to the fathers. Israel, the beloved, is a type of Christ (Israel) the Beloved of God. He is the Son called out of Egypt, in whom the election would be beloved of God. It is in Christ that Israel becomes the beloved Holy City. You might want to do a study of the word "beloved" in scripture as it is used in this very interesting way. There is no riddle or mystery concerning this verse about Israel, how it is an enemy in one sense, and concerning the election beloved. The answer to this was stated right in verse seven.

Romans 11:5-8

• "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
• And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
• What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
• (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day."

Clearly, there are two diverse people within Israel. Israel the nation hasn't obtained it, but Israel the election has obtained it. The remnant is according to the election of Grace, not of race.

The overview of verse twenty-eight is that it is distinguishing between the diverse people of Israel. Concerning the election, they beloved of God for their father Abraham's sake. While the rest are blinded and left in unbelief, and because of the gospel enemies for the sake of the Gentiles. They were blinded that we might see. But concerning Israel the election, they are not blinded, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. That is why Paul was sorrowful. Because most of his kinsmen according to the flesh were enemies of God, while he, being elect, was beloved. Thus he mourned for them. This verse contrasts Israel as an enemy of the gospel for the Gentile's sake, and yet the election of Israel beloved of God because of the promises, which cannot be made null and void.

 

[covenantee]

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[covenantee]

Let focus on verse 28:

Romans 11:28

• " As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes."

The unbelieving Jews are enemies of the gospel, and indeed of converted Jews and Gentiles. But as for the election of Israel, these are beloved for the promises made to the fathers. For example, the promise to the fathers of deliverance would be kept in "this Election." This verse contrasts the two Israels (Romans 9:6), which are unbelieving Israel (who are enemies of the Church), and election (who are beloved) of God.

There are those who object to "all Israel" in verse 26 pertaining to only the elect, because they surmise that then the elect in this verse would have to be regarded as enemies. They come to this conclusion because they either forget, or ignore the witness of the context, and of the whole Bible in general. God has already informed us that, "All Israel are not Israel." So then, when it says in the proceeding verses that "ALL ISRAEL shall be saved," it must refer only to the Israel of God who are elect. The election of Israel excludes those who are not elect of Israel. Even as the scriptures declared:

"..Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."

The election of Israel have obtained that promise, and the rest of Israel were blinded, even as the imagery of the branches of the Olive tree signified.

And in truth, even the staunchest defender of the distinction of Israel will usually not claim that the term "all Israel" means every single person in Israel will be saved. Therefore, despite his protests, that shows that he does recognize that some of Israel are not included in this "all Israel" that shall be saved. Thus he is actually agreeing that it means only some of the nation of Israel shall be saved.

Moreover, when scripture declared, "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins," then by definition, and by any normal grammatical structure, this "all Israel" in view will then have their sins washed away.

1st John 3:5-6

• "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
• Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

This was the coming of Christ, when He took away Israel's sins. And so indeed, those of Israel who reject this Christ, they become enemies because of the gospel. While concerning those of Israel who are elect, they are beloved because of the promise to the fathers. All Israel is either for Christ, or they are against Him. There is no in-between. We are seeing the external covenant Israel, and the election that are part of the eternal covenant Israel.

1. Concerning the gospel, the nation of Israel is blinded and are enemies for our sakes (the Gentiles). For they are at enmity with Christ, and that enmity was the occasion that brought salvation to the whole Gentiles.
2. Concerning the Election, these of Israel are beloved as the remnant whom God has brought through the fire and purged them from their sins, fulfilling the promise to their fathers.

Israel persecuted the Church because of the gospel message it brought. They are thus enemies for the Church's sake. Which Paul also confessed he did likewise before his conversion, when he was a blind Israelite.

1st Corinthians 15:9

• "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

But Paul was part of the election Israel, within external Israel. God is using him gloriously to bring about salvation to the Gentiles, and accomplish His purposes. His salvation as an Israelite is the fulfillment of the promises He made to the fathers. Israel, the beloved, is a type of Christ (Israel) the Beloved of God. He is the Son called out of Egypt, in whom the election would be beloved of God. It is in Christ that Israel becomes the beloved Holy City. You might want to do a study of the word "beloved" in scripture as it is used in this very interesting way. There is no riddle or mystery concerning this verse about Israel, how it is an enemy in one sense, and concerning the election beloved. The answer to this was stated right in verse seven.

Romans 11:5-8

• "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
• And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
• What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
• (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day."

Clearly, there are two diverse people within Israel. Israel the nation hasn't obtained it, but Israel the election has obtained it. The remnant is according to the election of Grace, not of race.

The overview of verse twenty-eight is that it is distinguishing between the diverse people of Israel. Concerning the election, they beloved of God for their father Abraham's sake. While the rest are blinded and left in unbelief, and because of the gospel enemies for the sake of the Gentiles. They were blinded that we might see. But concerning Israel the election, they are not blinded, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. That is why Paul was sorrowful. Because most of his kinsmen according to the flesh were enemies of God, while he, being elect, was beloved. Thus he mourned for them. This verse contrasts Israel as an enemy of the gospel for the Gentile's sake, and yet the election of Israel beloved of God because of the promises, which cannot be made null and void.

The dispensational problem is its refusal to recognize that there are two different and separate "they's", i.e. two different Israels, in Romans 11:28.

The first "they" are those who are enemies because of the Gospel.

The second "they" are the beloved elect(ion), of grace (Romans 11:1-5).

Paul is reiterating what he has already described and declared in Romans 9:6-8.

Dispensationalism refuses the recognition, because to do so would detonate the racialized ideology which is its foundation.

It is a scourge within the Christian Church.

 

[ewq1938]

Natural Israel are the physical descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob!

No, only Jacob who was renamed Israel.

Spiritual Israel are the saved natural descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob. Nowhere in Scrfipture is the church called Israel.

Israel is the church, those who first followed Christ.

Paul makes clear distinctions between I srael and the church.

Nope.

Also Paul makes it clear tht Israel has not been forgotten by God nor mystically transferred to be the church.

Again, Israel was the first NT concept of the church...others have to join them not the other way around.

If so, then you have to admit that in verse 25 part of the church is blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in ( who would they be- the unchurched?)

The church is of the faithful. Those natural branches of Israel who are faithless are removed and no longer are part of Israel.

Romans 11 makes clear that Most of Israel has been cast off ONLY FOR NOW. As Paul concludes this chapter- the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

All the faithless have been cast off and that's been for centuries. The faithful of Israel remains and has been joined by gentiles. Israel is larger than ever before.

 

[Zao is life]

Let us look at the covenant:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.​

Hosea 1
10 Yet the number of the sons of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered. And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people, there it shall be said to them, You are the sons of the living God.

The house of Israel, the sons of Israel:-

Reuben
Gad
Asher
Naphtali
Dan
Simeon
Levi
Issachar
Zebulun
Joseph

Which of the above men became the patriarch of the Jews?

None of them.

The house of Judah, the sons of Israel:-

Judah
Bejamin.

Which of the above became the patriarch of the Jews?

Judah.

In the Old Testament the house of Israel = 10 tribes.

They were collectively called "Ephraim" and were cut off from God and became "no longer a people" in 725 B.C. They became called "not My people" by God. And they were scattered among the nations where their descendants intermarried with Gentiles to the extent that you cannot find them anymore, and no human being who could even hypothetically speaking trace part of his genetic ancestry to "the lost" 10 tribes of Israel, will not have Gentile ancestry too.

The New Covenant is made with:-

1. Those of the Gentiles who believe in Jesus - the house of Israel - who had not received mercy but now have received mercy, and who fulfill the promise that "in the place of where it was said to them "you are not My people" they shall become called "sons of the living God",

2. Those of Jews - the house of Judah - who believe in Jesus.

The New Covenant is not and was not promised to unbelievers - whether Jew or Gentile.

God's promise to Abraham was that he was going to become the father of a multitude of goy nations.

It's your mind that is set on the flesh. Not the mind of God. Israel is made up of all humans in Christ who are in Him because He dwells in them through their faith in Him. These are the people who inherit the New Covenant promised to the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
​

Natural Israel are the physical descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob! Spiritual Israel are the saved natural descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob. Nowhere in Scrfipture is the church called Israel.

Paul makes clear distinctions between I srael and the church.

Also Paul makes it clear tht Israel has not been forgotten by God nor mystically transferred to be the church. If so, then you have to admit that in verse 25 part of the church is blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in ( who would they be- the unchurched?)

Romans 11 makes clear that Most of Israel has been cast off ONLY FOR NOW. As Paul concludes this chapter- the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.​

Natural Israel are people in human bodies who believe in Jesus and are in Him because his Spirit dwells in them.

Paul makes distinctions between the unbelieving humans who were among Israel but were never Israel because of their unbelief, and who were broken off from God's covenant relationship with Abraham's seed because of their unbelief. Natural Israel are humans who believe in Jesus.

It is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel, nor are all the children Abraham's true descendants; rather "through Isaac will your descendants be counted."
This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.
For this is what the promise declared: "About a year from now I will return and Sarah will have a son."-- Romans 9:6-9

The reason Abraham needed the be the father of a son called Isaac is because God promised him that he would become the father of a multitude of goy nations:

OUT OF ONE NATION, A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS

Genesis 17:3-6
"And Abram fell on his face. And God talked with him, saying, As for Me, behold! My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of a multitude of gôy (Gentiles/Gentile nations).

Neither shall your name any more be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham. For I have made you a father of a multitude of gôy (Gentiles/Gentile nations).

And I will make you exceedingly fruitful, greatly so, and I will make gôy (Gentiles/Gentile nations) of you, and kings shall come out of you."

In God's very first promise to Abraham, He used the word gôy three times. He was not speaking of only one ethnic nation. Abraham could not have become the father of a multitude of nations if he never even had a son who would inherit the promise (Isaac), and if his son never even had a son (Jacob/Israel - the father of the twelve tribes of Israel).

It is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel, nor are all the children Abraham's true descendants; rather "through Isaac will your descendants be counted."
This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.
For this is what the promise declared: "About a year from now I will return and Sarah will have a son."-- Romans 9:6-9

The promise begins with Abraham becoming the father of a multitude of nations.

Of the Jews who are broken off from God's promises, Paul said,

And even they - if they do not continue in their unbelief - will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. -- Romans 9:23

Romans 4:16-17
Therefore it is of faith so that it might be according to grace; for the promise to be made sure to ALL the seed, not only to that which is of the Law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all (as it has been written, "I have made you a father of many nations") --before God, whom he believed, who makes the dead live, and calls the things which do not exist as though they do exist.

The blood of Christ became necessary for all human beings to be saved from God's wrath and eternal damnation the moment Adam sinned, so faith in Christ was always going to be necessary to inherit the promise. Faith in the Word of God - the faith of Abraham - IS faith in Christ. Unbelief of Christ = unbelief of the Word of God, and those humans who do not believe have never been Israel just because they are natural descendants of Abraham. This is exactly why an entire generation perished in their unbelief in the wilderness and never entered the promised land.

You have set your mind - the mind of your understanding of God's Word - on the flesh. and you interpret God's word from the mind of the flesh and so you cannot understand the Word of God in either the Old Testament or the New Testament.

The house of Israel, the sons of Israel:-

Reuben
Gad
Asher
Naphtali
Dan
Simeon
Levi
Issachar
Zebulun
Joseph

Which of the above men became the patriarch of the Jews?

None of them.​

 

[Earburner]

Well one is either a christian or not! This two stage process you speak of is unbiblical. Once a person trusts Christ for their salvation they are born again and immediately filled with the Spirit.

and we were the "chosen" before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 2

Mat. 25:1-13 reveals the cause of division that is within all the visible denominational churches, as well as the differences between them.
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[4] But the wise took oil IN their vessels WITH their lamps (Psalm 119:105).

John 3:3-8
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Mat. 25
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat. 7
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Rom. 8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Your reference to Eph. 2 is to be understood corporately, as in the general sense, being that of the plan of God for our salvation, is revealed through faith in Christ.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of [our] works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For WE are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Edit:
Those "good works", which are of Christ Himself, is the fruit of the Spirit.
Gal. 5
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit [of them].

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

The origin of Jerusalem, 3000 BC; the origin of Babylon, 2300 BC.

Babylon was a city, (later Babel). This city is where all false teachings about God, mysticism, false religions and philosophies, witchcraft and the black arts, astrology, idolatry, basically all the paths that lead away from God and the truth were all generated from this city. Babylonians tried to be like God, building a tower to the heavens and so God confused their language (which at the time there was only one on earth), and created hundreds of languages instantly, which evolved into thousands. In so doing, He confused theur language and they just started to babble in foreign languages and obviously that divided them, scattering
them throughout the earth. So when we read about Mystery Babylon in the end times, it is the whole world system, filled with all false religions and philosophies, cults, atheism, that had their origins in Babylon.
Some have called Jerusalem, Babylon. Some have referred to Rome as Babylon. And now New York as Babylon ... irbeven the USA. They all have the same attributes in common. In Revelation, Babylon is destroyed - not just one city, but all the cities suffer destruction, so it can't be one city. It is the world system that is destroyed and all who follow this system, led by Satan. But the earth remains during the Millennial Kingdom. After 1000 years, then it will be destroyed as well and a New Earth will be created.

Some other points:
First of all, at the time Revelation was written, about 95 AD, Jerusalem had been already destroyed in 70 AD. The powerful and great city at that time was Rome. Then they fell in the 5th century, then Constantinople (considered as the eastern Roman empire) fell in the 15th century. Neither Rome or Jerusalem is great today nor are they considered a Global power or influence. Spiritually I guess the Vatican is.
Keep in mind these prophecies are talking about the times we are now living in.
Let's look at some of the descriptions of Babylon used:
"All nations drank from her wine" - fornication with her luxuries, idolatries, false gods and beliefs.
The truth is, abominations came out of every city on the planet!
"Kings of the world, merchants and captains grieved over her" ... Rome? No. Jerusalem? No. NYC? Moreso than these other two but not #1 any more.
"The earth grew rich for her excessive luxuries"... Jerusalem? - I don't think so - not ever.


"The blood of the prophets, saints and ALL THAT WERE SLAIN UPON THE EARTH" sure sounds like an historical account of many nations.
In Rev. 17:15, the angel interprets "waters in which she sits" are people's, multitudes, nations and tongues.

 

[Zao is life]

Have the last word! we are done. I do not anymore discuss with people who have the audity to be a liar to my face about what I do or do not do when they know little to nothing abou tme.

Have the last word.

I will expose more of your bearing false witness against the brethren on other threads I am sure.

Just because I do not spiritualize the bible to reinterpret it according to allegorical hermeneutrics and covenantal theology doe sno tmake me wrong or ignorant. You are too puffed up and need a good shakedown from God HImself.

Have you rlas thoughts here liar!

Jesus will have the last word. Not you, and not me.

And He already has. But you don't believe Him. You believe whatever you want to believe.

I do not post your statements about the teaching of God through the prophets. You do. I will not answer to God for your statements. You will.

You have become a little god judging who is puffed up and who is not. Your insults and your words and your false accusations are the only things Jesus will allow you to answer for in that day. He will not allow you to point a finger at another or decide who is 'puffed up' and who is not. You will only get away with that here, for now.

The same goes for me. I will not have to answer for your words, only for my own.

God has already had the last word on who is Israel and who is a citizen of Israel and who is not. The fact you don't believe Him is evident by your own words in your own posts.