Israel is Babylon the Great!

[John839]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Count the cost of being used by satan as his tool and fool!!!!

 

[Ronald D Milam]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

I will show you 100 percent at the end who Babylon the Great really is.....
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Israel were not around when Cain slew Abel nor for the first 2500-3000 or so years of humanity. So, did you not take that into account?

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

We all killed Jesus because we all needed a Sacrificial Lamb, God decided that before the foundation of the earth remember? Predestination via Paul simply means God predestinated the fact that we would all needed a Sacrificial Lamb, it does not mean God PRE CHOOSE anyone as some think.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

By using Jerusalem, God is simply telling us Israel rejected God, just like we all do at times, they misunderstood The Law and chose it over THE PROMISE. That was their mistake, but in so doing they taught us the error of serving the Law over serving God by Faith alone. We all learned from their mistake. But Babylon can not be Jerusalem, nor Rome (As I once called it in a blog) not New York City, nor Saudi Arabia etc. etc. By the way, Babylon and the Harlot are two different entities.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

All this is "supposition" by someone who does not understand the bible. THAT CITY in Rev. 17:18 is an Angel telling John to remember what HE SAW (SAWEST). Until the Holy Spirit told me this, I was calling it Rome, because during Paul's time the Beast was Rome, but the actual vision Paul saw was only four verses long, Rev. 17:3-6 and it was never a MYSTERY because in vs. 7 the Angel tells John that she was about to explain to everyone the mystery of the Harlot AND the Beast she was riding, so for 2000 years now anyone calling this Mystery Babylon just did not understand the Passage at all. So then, why is it called "Mystery Babylon"? Its not, the Angel's vision to John posted four name tags on the Woman's forehead, one was MYSTERY as in QUESTION MARK, followed by three Descriptors of who she was, which solved the Mystery, it was never Mystery Babylon. Mystery is simply a Header of sorts.

MYSTERY (?)

1.) Babylon the Great ( This city was world renowned for its FALSE RELIGION )

2.) Mother of Harlots ( FALSE RELIGION was the original Harlotry before False Governance )

3.) Abominations of the earth ( God is a Jealous God and he "hates" all FALSE RELIGION )

The Rev. 17:18 point of emphasis is not even about Babylon anyway, its about the Harlot. Rev. 17 is about ALL FALSE RELIGION (Harlot), and Rev. 18 is about Babylon (The whole world).

Now, 100 percent who Babylon the Great is, as told by God Himself !!

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided(Jerusalem/Earthquake) into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell{Jesus defeats the Nations at Armageddon} and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, who did Jesus defeat at Armageddon? Well, the 6th Vial tell us, it says the Kings of the Whole World gathered at Armageddon to try and defeat God.

So, Great Babylon = Satans Dark Kingdom over mankind on the earth. What does Babel mean? Confusion, so what better descriptor could we have than that? Men trying to defeat their own loving Creator at Armageddon can only be called "Babylon the Great".

 

[TribulationSigns]

Nope. The mystery of Babylon the Great is the New Testament congregation of Isreal, the Church, who have forsaken God and have gone whoring where Satan sits *rule" where he wanted to worship as God. Not a physical city of Rome, New York, or Jerusalem.

 

[strepho]

Gods blessings made our nation great. Yes the jews are good at making money. The Jews are not the reason America is great. Tiny Israel, jews, is in turmoil. America gives money to tiny Israel, which is judah. Our nation is Blessed with agriculture and mines and oil, ect, ect.
Genesis chapter 48. Ephraim and manasseh have the blessings and would be great nations. America, Britain, Canada, Australia, France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, get the picture.
Judah has the scepter, the right to rule, genesis chapter 49:10.
Isaiah chapter 28 . Ephraim is fading flower. America is ephraim. Were super power.
If you don't understand the internal damage. Like the enemy. You will be deceived by antichrist near future.
Our nation is decaying morally and economically.
The hirelings are poisoning people's minds with false doctrine.
The kenites, they are children of the devil. The kenites operate from banking, trade and commerce, and political and religion.
Zechariah chapter 1. The four horns are education, economics, political and religion. These four agencies are brainwashing people.
Do you see the set up?.
The kenites are preparing the way for their daddy!.
Revelation 3;9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie.
The kenites operate from the four horns. People are being brainwashed to accept the coming one world religious system. Majority will worship antichrist near future. They are spirtualty Dead and biblically illiterate.
Ephesians chapter 6. The gospel armour is only way past antichrist lies and deception. It's knowledge and wisdom of God's word.
Revelation chapter 13. It's all nations in one world political system. America is fading flower that is being absorbed into this one world system.
This political system will receive deadly wound near future. Satan as antichrist will heal deadly wound. Now it's a one world religious system.
Study the bible, learn about the kenites. How can you wage war if you dont know who the enemy is??.
You need gospel armour of ephesians chapter 6.
Study the bible.

 

[ewq1938]

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24

Did Babylon kill Abel? No.

Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37

That language isn't found in those verses. You misread them. It says Jerusalem killed prophets but does not say all, nor"all the blood shed on the Earth" which is ridiculous.


Babylon is destroyed by fire in Rev but Jerusalem is not. Jerusalem is called the holy city in Rev 11. Babylon is not holy, nor ever called holy. That is proof Jerusalem is not Babylon. Babylon is symbolic of false religion in the book of Revelation. It's not a literal city and not a literal woman.

 

[ewq1938]

Study the bible, learn about the kenites. How can you wage war if you dont know who the enemy is??.

The bible never identifies the enemy as Kenites. That comes from Shepherd's Chapel and before it from the racist teachings of the old South the Pastor of that church learned from.

 

[face2face]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

Babylon is pagan and now christian in origin - keep looking you will find her and her many daughters. It's the stock root of Daniel 4.

And as it was commanded to leave the stump of the roots of the tree, your kingdom shall be confirmed for you from the time that you know that Heaven rules.

F2F

 

[Davy]

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

I offer this in hopes of sharpening your Biblical understanding on this matter.

It is correct that Jerusalem represents the Babylon Harlot of Revelation for the end of this world, however, that role is not in place just yet. The great falling away to the coming false-Messiah that is to appear in Jerusalem for the end, and proclaim himself as God, is required (per Matthew 24:23-26; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4). That has not happened yet today. That is truly when Jerusalem will fall into false worship, particularly when the "abomination of desolation" IDOL is setup in false worship there in a new 3rd temple.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

The "great city" label put for Jerusalem actually occurs 10 times in Revelation. The last time it is pointing to God's Holy city the new Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven, which in itself is yet another proof that Jerusalem is meant in all those previous mention of the "great city".

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

I don't think you really understand Bible prophecy about the USA, nor Old Testament history about the Israelites.

Per the Jewish historian Josephus, the title of JEW began to be used by those of the "house of Judah" that returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity (see Ezra 1 & 2). The "house of Judah" per God splitting old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms, represented only the JEWs of the southern kingdom. The majority of Israelites were of the northern "kingdom of Israel", also known as the "house of Israel" after the split (see 1 Kings 11 thru 2 Kings 17).

Thus the JEWS only represent the 3 tribes of the "house of Judah", the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea. They were the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and eventually Levi. When king Jeroboam that God setup as king over the northern ten tribes instead made 2 gold calf idols in the north for the 10 tribes to worship instead of going down to Jerusalem to worship, the Levites in the north left, and went and joined with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin of the southern kingdom. A small remnant out of the 10 tribes also left the north, and went and joined with Judah. To this day, these are who the JEWS represent.

But the ten northern tribes of Israelites, God caused to be taken captive first by the kings of Assyria, and they LOST their heritage and identity as part of Israel. Thus these 10 lost tribes are NOT Jews. And the Jews still today do not know where the lost ten tribes are, but God knows. Per God's prophecy through Hosea, the Jews (or Judah) would NOT lose their heritage of God's feast days nor their heritage as Israel.

Another reason why Old Testament Book study is so important, is because it reveals about the "tares" which Lord Jesus spoke of in His parable of the tares of the field. The "tares" crept in particularly among Judah (Jews) early in their history. In the analogy of Jeremiah 24, the basket of evil figs represent these "tares" that crept in among Judah (the good basket of figs), and God showed He would bring them along with Judah back to the holy land together. So there is your false workers that hide as "tares", that are actually behind today's movement of a "one world government" in prep for Satan coming to play The Christ.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

No, you don't really understand just who Israel is today, and I mean the authentic Israel.

God scattered the ten northern tribes of Israel among the Gentiles because of their rebellion in Baal worship. Per Hosea, He revealed what He would do with them, for that is who the "house of Israel" represents after 1 Kings 11, meaning only the ten northern tribes of Israel.

God showed in Hosea that He would scatter the ten tribes, and give them their full weight of their Baal worship they did against Him. That actually happened, as the ten tribes never returned to the holy land as a people. Instead while captive in the lands of Assyria and the Medes, they forgot their heritage of God's feast days, new moons, sabbaths, and instead took on new names, new customs per their Baal beliefs, and then eventually migrated into Asia Minor and Europe. This is why the early European nations were so full of pagan idol worship, but when The Gospel of Jesus Christ was sent to them, they began to put away their Baal idols. God revealed this would happen through His prophet Hosea. Britain was actually the first nation to accept The Gospel on a national scale. The rest of the European nations soon followed suit, becoming the historical Christian nations, fulfilling the "multitude of nations" prophecy about Ephraim (Genesis 48).

Therefore, GOD is Who actually created the Western Christian nations, NOT unbelieving Jews. It was Bible prophecy, and the U.S. founders actually wrote about it. So you need to dig a bit deeper into American history and what the American founders said before you go wrongly assigning the U.S. as a mere Jewish creation. I especially recommend study of European history in your own area, since in the early Christians nations of Europe, the nations made outcasts of the Jews that would not convert to Jesus Christ. The Jews in Europe thus fled from country to country, and with many of them returning to the holy land because of that early Christian history.

 

[face2face]

It is correct that Jerusalem represents the Babylon Harlot of Revelation for the end of this world

Christians who believe this are setting themselves up for a major fall at his coming. So great is that fall it could be irrecoverable.
F2F

 

[Gottservant]

What if I say "Adam is Babylon the Great"

...what difference does it make?

 

[Davy]

What if I say "Adam is Babylon the Great"

...what difference does it make?

Then you would be associating yourself with the false crept in "tares" that purposefully lie... against Christ and His Word of Truth, and thus put yourself in danger of hell fire.

 

[Gottservant]

Then you would be associating yourself with the false crept in "tares" that purposefully lie... against Christ and His Word of Truth, and thus put yourself in danger of hell fire.

The point is making claims that this or that person or place is such and such an evil, is the Devil's work.

How would you like it if I said "Your parents are Babylon"? Well! It is the same thing?

I suppose my mistake was thinking the Devil could be reasoned with!

 

[Davy]

The bible never identifies the enemy as Kenites. That comes from Shepherd's Chapel and before it from the racist teachings of the old South the Pastor of that church learned from.

I guess it goes all the way back to Dr. James Strong too, with his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, because of his definition of the word Kenite...


OT:7014
Qayin (kah'-yin); the same as OT:7013 (with a play upon the affinity to OT:7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:

KJV - Cain, Kenite (-s).
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)



OT:7017
Qeyniy (kay-nee'); or Qiyniy (1 Chron 2:55) (kee-nee'); patronymic from OT:7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:

KJV - Kenite.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

[Davy]

The point is making claims that this or that person or place is such and such an evil, is the Devil's work.

You means Lord Jesus pointing to the scribes and Pharisees that wanted to MURDER Him was an evil, and the devil's work??


Jesus speaking to the crept in false Jews of the synagogue of Satan...

John 8:40-45
40 But now ye seek to kill Me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to Him, "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God."

42 Jesus said unto them, "If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.

43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.
KJV


I think most of the "tares" that are to be cast into the fire at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign pretty well know who they are, since they purposefully work for the devil against Christ Jesus and His Word. That's why they have no problem twisting and adding and taking away Christ's Word of Truth.

 

[Gottservant]

You means Lord Jesus pointing to the scribes and Pharisees that wanted to MURDER Him was an evil, and the devil's work??

[...]

I think most of the "tares" that are to be cast into the fire at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign pretty well know who they are, since they purposefully work for the devil against Christ Jesus and His Word. That's why they have no problem twisting and adding and taking away Christ's Word of Truth.

The problem is: if you read Revelation and identify people as singled out by the scripture it gives, you are adding to Revelation. Revelation says not to do that!

If you want to add to scripture, go and read nursery rhymes! You don't need to make Revelation in your image!

 

[Davy]

The problem is: if you read Revelation and identify people as singled out by the scripture it gives, you are adding to Revelation. Revelation says not to do that!

That's just ignorant with YOU trying to CREATE your own law against what God's Word says! It's actually YOU... that is TAKING AWAY from the Bible Scriptures.

When Lord Jesus IDENTIFIED the EXISTENCE of the "tares" in HIS parable of the tares of the field, per Matthew 13, He gave that to HIS CHURCH represented then by His disciples.

In 2 Thessalonians 2 when Apostle Paul pointed to the "mystery of iniquity", the "tares" SOWED BY THE DEVIL is what he was pointing to.

When Apostle John in 1 John 2:18 pointed to the coming of the Antichrist, and that "many antichrists" were already at work, he was pointing to the "tares" that Jesus revealed to His servants.

And so does the Book of Jude declare the existence of the "tares" that the devil sowed, saying they were ORDAINED TO THE CONDEMNATION of working against Christ! Both Apostle Peter and the Book of Jude even compare those with the working of Cain, and the gainsay of Core.

Even more amazing, is that GOD told the children of Israel when they came into the lands of Canaan He gave them, to LITERALLY WIPE OUT 7 specific nations of Canaanites, and to leave alive nothing that breaths! But the children of Israel FAILED their duty in that, and instead God allowed those pagan idol-worshiping, devil loving Canaanites to dwell among Israel, as it is STILL TO THIS DAY!


Jesus' Parable of the Tares of the Field: HIS Explanation:

Matt 13:36-40
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV

 

[Gottservant]

That's just ignorant with YOU trying to CREATE your own law against what God's Word says! It's actually YOU... that is TAKING AWAY from the Bible Scriptures.

Where does it say "read into the meaning of these words, further"?

When Lord Jesus IDENTIFIED the EXISTENCE of the "tares" in HIS parable of the tares of the field, per Matthew 13, He gave that to HIS CHURCH represented then by His disciples.

You are right to bring up tares, that's exactly what guesses about who is anti-Christ and who is Babylon are?

Did Jesus condemn anyone individually? No He did not?

 

[Davy]

Where does it say "read into the meaning of these words, further"?


You are right to bring up tares, that's exactly what guesses about who is anti-Christ and who is Babylon are?

Did Jesus condemn anyone individually? No He did not?

Bible FACT: Jesus revealed that the "tares" exist.

Bible FACT: Jesus revealed that the Devil sowed the "tares".

Bible FACT: Jesus revealed the "tares" will go into the "lake of fire" at the end of the world.

Bible FACT: Jesus NEVER said no one would go into the "lake of fire".

Bible FACT: Jesus at His 1st coming ONLY condemned the devil and his angels into the future "lake of fire". Jesus did NOT condemn any flesh-born man to the "lake of fire", YET, with emphasis on the YET.

Bible FACT: After Jesus' future "thousand years" reign over all nations, He will JUDGE all the unsaved and condemn those who refuse His Salvation to the "lake of fire", and those condemned represent the "tares"!

 

[Davy]

Now then, BACK to the original TOPIC of this thread, since Gottservant has tried to hi-jack this thread with changing the thread topic.

Jerusalem in the near future, when the Antichrist/false-Messiah is revealed there, will become the Revelation Babylon Harlot "great city" when the "abomination of desolation" IDOL is setup in a new temple there, and then it is demanded that all bow to it in false worship. Per Ezekiel 16, God called Jerusalem a 'harlot' before, because of Judah falling into false Baal worship before there. That was actually the reason God brought upon the Jews at Jerusalem Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and removed the Jews captive to Babylon for 70 years, with only a small remnant of Jews returning.

That Truth may hurt the feelings of Jews that have come here to a Christian forum, but that is the FACT of what Christ's Revelation is about for the end of this world, for Jerusalem in a state of IDOL worship at the end just prior to Christ's future return.

That coming IDOL event is specifically what the placing of the "abomination of desolation" in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem is about...


Matt 24:15-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

The "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel is about the "vile person" blueprint of Daniel 11 with the ending of the daily sacrifices and temple worship in Jerusalem, and instead placing an IDOL abomination inside the temple, making it spiritually desolate. It is an event reserved ONLY for Jerusalem at the very end of this present world prior to Christ's return. Revelation 13 gives more info about that IDOL image, called there the "image of the beast".

That coming setup of an IDOL in Jerusalem for the end is a parallel to what Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, did in Daniel's day. Nebuchadnezzar set up a golden idol image of himself, and required that all bow to it in false worship or be killed. Daniel and his fellows refused to bow to it, and were thus delivered up to be killed.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Then, at that time, is when there will be "great tribulation". Lord Jesus linked the tribulation with the time when that IDOL abomination is setup in another temple in Jerusalem. This is the same warning Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2 when he revealed the great falling away when the "man of sin" is revealed in the "temple of God" there in Jerusalem, pointing to a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end.

And today's fact is, the orthodox unbelieving JEWS in today's Jerusalem already have the material ready to build their 3rd temple in Jerusalem. It's just a matter of time, because Zechariah 6 prophesies that Messiah will build the temple, and the Jews in today's Jerusalem believe that as written. The problem with that is though, GOD is sending them a false-Messiah first, and they and the whole world will think that first one coming is The Christ-Messiah. Won't be...

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
KJV

What I just said in the previous paragraph is exactly what Lord Jesus is warning above. When the deceived come up to you and say something like, "Lo, here Christ, or there'; believe it not." Why not believe it? Because Jesus is warning us that one will be a false-Christ.


And there are certain ways those in Christ can tell the coming false-Messiah will not be our True Lord Jesus Christ having come.

1. When Lord Jesus comes, those still alive on earth will be suddenly 'changed' to their "spiritual body" on the "last trump" at the "twinkling of an eye". So if someone comes up to you and says Jesus has arrived, and you have not been 'changed' to your "spiritual body", then you know they are pushing the fake Jesus.

2. Per 2 Peter 3:10-13, the day of Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord" will include God's consuming fire burning man's works off this earth. That ought to be very... easy to know. Any coming Messiah and that consuming fire event doesn't happen, then you know that will be a false messiah, and not our Lord Jesus Christ. Easy peasy!