Israel is Babylon the Great!

[Ronald Nolette]

Only those who have the Spirit of God will understand the Bible, for truly the Bible is a spiritual book and not a literal book. The Zionists, however, read the Bible literally, which is the reason why they founded the state of Israel in 1948, because of misinterpretation. They are sons of hell.

So why should I accept your spiritual translation over the hundreds and thousands of others who have spouted the exact same words as you and come up with differing spiritualized conclusions of Gods Word.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Biblically it's definitely not talking about a physical temple in Jerusalem. I can and have proved that from the Bible. But this post is already long enough.

So what temple is it taking about.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

(a) the holy place/most holy place that was inside the temple complex (i.e the place where the presence of God dwelt); or
(b) to the body of Christ (the place where the presence of God dwells); or
(c) to the bodies of individual saints (the place where the presence of God dwells); or
(d) to the congregations of the saints (the place where the presence of God dwells); or
(e) to the temple in heaven (in the Revelation).

Thank you.

so yu believe teh temple being spoken of is the body of the saints.

So you believe that when the man of lawlessness enters into teh temple of God, he will be possessing believers then. Interesting.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Lord judges and I am comfortable with it!

Oh HE JUDGES ALL RIGHT . AND HOW IS HE GONNA JUDGE THE WORLD .
BY JESUS CHRIST . Thus if we deny HIM , THERE IS NO MERCY only wrath .
And no man can withstand the wrath of GOD .
If we love children , wife , parents or anything more than HIM , we will be FOUND As we would not want to be found .
The simplicity of it all is , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST and BE SURE ITS THE BIBLCAL ONE .
BE in that bible learning daily , loving and embracing the TRUTH of ER WORD OF THE LORD .
Every warning is for our good
Every promise
But do beware , for many follow another jesus . THAT ONE cannot save .
Many believe they follow and know GOD . Yet know HIM NOT .
Many now believe all religions are of GOD . FAT LIE FROM THE DEVIL .
Many also believe That JESUS would be honoring and holding up the dark rainbow .
Many believe JESUS to be the ministir of sin . And holler love all day long
and yet know neither the LOVE that cometh of GOD , NOR GOD , NOR CHRIST .
THESE are truly very deceptive days we be a living in my friend .
LETS open bibles and learn for ourselves . DO be encouraged , This message is but a reminder to us all .

 

[ewq1938]

Yes and Gentiles who do not believe do not get grafted but tossed into the lake of fire.

Same with Jews that don't believe.

but the Covenants God made to Israel are eternal and based on the character of God.

During the church age, Jew and Gentile are one body. but that distinction ends in the millennial kingdom

That never changes, not in the Millennium or ever.

 

[Earburner]

The true Israel already is in the Promised Land. The Promised Land is Jesus Christ, in him the Christians live, and his Word is the honey and milk which the Christians eat.

The Old Testament was only a shadow for Christianity. The New Testament is the fulfillment. The Promised Land was never the land of Israel here on this world, it was just a hint to the true Promised Land which is Christ.

If you say that carnal Israel is the true Israel, then you also say that an animal is the true sacrifice too? No way, the true sacrifice is Jesus Christ.

You need to read the bible spiritually and not literally.

Amen! I agree and do teach the same.

Jesus Himself is the KoG to usward, and is the New Heaven, and we ourselves, who are born again of His Spirit, are the New earth, wherein dwells the righteousness of God, WITHIN God's NEW creatures.
2 Cor. 4:7, 2 Peter 3:4

To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG.
To be IN the KoG is to be IN Jesus.
Jesus Himself IS His Father's house (dwelling place), and we are the many mansions He is placing there. John 14:2

 

[Earburner]

Thank you.

so yu believe teh temple being spoken of is the body of the saints.

So you believe that when the man of lawlessness enters into teh temple of God, he will be possessing believers then. Interesting.

You misunderstand. All human bodies are the potential dwelling place (temple) of God the Father and God the Son. "Whosoever hath NOT the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His", and therefore remains to be a dwelling place for Satan.

Please read the NT scriptures about the "strong man" and how Jesus defeats him, by taking up residence within us. In whoever the Spirit of God does dwell, "that spirit of antichrist" can never re-enter again.

 

[Zao is life]

Thank you.

so yu believe teh temple being spoken of is the body of the saints.

So you believe that when the man of lawlessness enters into teh temple of God, he will be possessing believers then. Interesting.

And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." -- 2 Corinthians 6:16

Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are. -- 1 Corinthians 3:16-17

Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For the Day of Christ shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Many will follow him.
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The abomination of desolation placed in the holy place of the Old Testament Temple by Antiochus IV defiled the sanctuary of God but did not result in the destruction of the city and the temple. The Old Testament Temple was cleansed and reconsecrated to God afterwards.

The holy city - New Jerusalem - and the New Testament Temple - the sanctuary of God on earth - cannot be destroyed because its builder is Christ, but the Temple can be, and is going to be defiled.

Interesting that you do not believe the New Testament. You cannot say that you believe the New Testament AND claim that the Temple being spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is a temple made with human hands, because believing that another temple made with human hands is "the sanctuary/temple of God" and the man of sin will seat himself up in that "temple" IS rejection of the New Testament Temple and the New Testament in Christ's blood that is its foundation.
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It's also the reason why you are contradicting Paul who taught us that it's possible for the Temple of God - the body of saints - to be defiled by the saints.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Same with Jews that don't believe.






That never changes, not in the Millennium or ever.

Of course with jews who do not believe.

As to the Millenial kingdom, you should reread all the prophecies in the major and monor prophets concerning the millenial kingdom and that the -people of Israel as well as the land of Israel become the predominant people and place during the kingdom.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You misunderstand. All human bodies are the potential dwelling place (temple) of God the Father and God the Son. "Whosoever hath NOT the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His", and therefore remains to be a dwelling place for Satan.

Please read the NT scriptures about the "strong man" and how Jesus defeats him, by taking up residence within us. In whoever the Spirit of God does dwell, "that spirit of antichrist" can never re-enter again.

Yes all people are "potential" temples of the Holy spirit. but only believers ARE temples of the Holy spirit. so based on your hypothesis, Satan possesses believers according to this:

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

PAUL IS NOT SPEAKING OF POTENTIAL BUT ACTUAL.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Interesting that you do not believe the New Testament. You cannot say that you believe the New Testament AND claim that the Temple being spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is a temple made with human hands, because believing that another temple made with human hands is "the sanctuary/temple of God" and the man of sin will seat himself up in that "temple" IS rejection of the New Testament Temple and the New Testament in Christ's blood that is its foundation.
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It's also the reason why you are contradicting Paul who taught us that it's possible for the Temple of God - the body of saints - to be defiled by the saints.

WELL YOU SHOULD ASK SOMEONE WHAT THEY BELIEVE INSTEAD OF BEING SO PRESUMPTIOUSLY ARROGANT AND MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

Paul is not talking about defiling a temple but the man of lawlessness ENTERING the temple of God and declaring himself he is god. That by definition is possession. when a demon enters a person, that is demon possession.

So you believe Saved believers can be deomon possessed.

I choose to believe the New Testament as it is written and not interpreted by allegorists who claim sepcial revelation.

 

[Zao is life]

WELL YOU SHOULD ASK SOMEONE WHAT THEY BELIEVE INSTEAD OF BEING SO PRESUMPTIOUSLY ARROGANT AND MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

Paul is not talking about defiling a temple but the man of lawlessness ENTERING the temple of God and declaring himself he is god. That by definition is possession. when a demon enters a person, that is demon possession.

So you believe Saved believers can be deomon possessed.

I choose to believe the New Testament as it is written and not interpreted by allegorists who claim sepcial revelation.

You were the first to use the word "interesting" after interpreting what you think I believe.

That man in your mirror you are shouting at above is looking like the emperor with no clothes.

You cannot claim to believe the New Testament if you believe a made-with-human-hands temple will be called the temple of God.

I gave you the list of all New Testament verses talking about the temple in Jerusalem, as well as all the New Testament verses talking about the (New Testament) Temple of God and proved the 100% consistency of the distinction made in the New Testament between the temple in Jerusalem and the New Testament Temple. There's nothing allegorical in the literal (written) New Testament. The saints are literally the Temple of God on earth. They can and will defile the Temple of God. Paul stated this in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

 

[ewq1938]

Of course with jews who do not believe.

As to the Millenial kingdom, you should reread all the prophecies in the major and monor prophets concerning the millenial kingdom and that the -people of Israel as well as the land of Israel become the predominant people and place during the kingdom.

Only those who are Christians. Only Christians are Israel whether natural or grafted.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You cannot claim to believe the New Testament if you believe a made-with-human-hands temple will be called the temple of God.

So then you do believe that believers can be possessed by the man of lawlessness.

2 Thessalonians 2:4

King James Version

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4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

and you base that on this verse:

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[Zao is life]

So then you do believe that believers can be possessed by the man of lawlessness.

2 Thessalonians 2:4​

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King James Version​

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4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

and you base that on this verse:

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

You are obsessed with demonic possession.

Yes, if Satan could enter into one of the twelve, a man named Judas Iscariot whom Jesus called "the son of perdition", then Satan can enter into the man of sin who teaches new doctrine and whose coming is with all sorts of power and lying miracles, whom Paul called "the son of perdition".

The man of sin will seat himself in the church as the head of the church and most of the saints will follow his doctrine, defiling the only sanctuary of God in the earth. Once they apostatize and renounce Christ the Holy Spirit will leave them.

No doubt they will become angry as you are when told the doctrines they are following are false (it comes across in your replies to me).​

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Only those who are Christians. Only Christians are Israel whether natural or grafted.

Not according to gods Word. but according to those who have bought into the heresy of replacement theology, they do think that.

 

[Zao is life]

Not according to gods Word. but according to those who have bought into the heresy of replacement theology, they do think that.

According to God's Word. Not according to the replacement theology taught by those who replace Israel, who exist in Christ alone, with unbelievers. Indeed, your replacement theology is heresy.

 

[Earburner]

Yes all people are "potential" temples of the Holy spirit. but only believers ARE temples of the Holy spirit. so based on your hypothesis, Satan possesses believers according to this:

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

PAUL IS NOT SPEAKING OF POTENTIAL BUT ACTUAL.

Yes. I DID SAY that in my post #87:
"Whosoever hath NOT the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His", and therefore remains to be a dwelling place for Satan."

And, your selection of 2Thes. 2:4 is the correct scripture choice, of which I am meaning, because "THAT spirit of antichrist" infects many, and not just one.

 

[ewq1938]

Not according to gods Word. but according to those who have bought into the heresy of replacement theology, they do think that.

Joining Israel is not replacing Israel.

 

[Tommy Cool]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

The only thing I disagree with is.............. pretty much everything.