Jesus was not a Jew?
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That is a metaphor. I know for a fact His name is Jesus.
I was baptized by the Holy Spirit when I was about 10 yrs old. The Holy Spirit said " you will be alive when"Jesus" returns "
I would think the Holy Spirit knows Christ's Name.
Grailhunter
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I agree there is an issue....
And I bring this up a lot and it is like the names of the members of the Trinity are not important to people.
I am sure they had a reason for not giving the third member of the Trinity a name….Holy Spirit? They are all Holy Spirits….it has caused confusion like the Holy Spirit is not as much a God as the other two. There are a lot of Christians out there that look at Yahweh and Yeshua as Gods but believe the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of one or the other or both. Reducing the Trinity to a duo. And no I do not believe in the one person formula for the Trinity.
Yahweh’s actual name was in the early Paleo-Hebrew texts and that was replaced by what is called the Tetragrammaton YHWH around 6,000 times…Then they removed the YHWH and replaced it with the words God or Lord or both…another 6,000 times! They altered the Old Testament Scriptures 6,000 times!...Twice!...To get rid of His name!! Now some people do not think that is a big deal! I would have burnt them at the stake for doing the devil's work.
Now the New Testament writers had a unique challenge in expressing Christian concepts in a Pagan language that did not have the same morality. This is a long topic.
The Truth is Christ’s name is Hebrew…not Greek and You and I speaking English can say His name Yeshua, but then the Hebrew has an e-tang to the Y, so it is pronounced e-Yeshua. The Greek language had issues with the “shu” sound of Yeshua. So even if they wanted to put His name in the Greek it would have been difficult. So they opted to use a descriptive Greek word that meant healer.
So now God the Father’s and God the Son’s name do not appear in our Bibles. Is that a problem? I think it is. I think they deserve to have their names in our Bibles. But there are those that have put their names back in Bibles….they are called Sacred Names Bibles.
But still that leaves the question; Why are their names not in our Bibles? I can tell you I have spent my life in one type of formal education or another in 5 countries, and no one has a perfect answer for this….They can speculate….The Jews today do not even write the word God…instead they write G-d. It appears that when Yahweh said, You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain…The Israelites/Jews eventually took that to mean that He did not want His name ever said or written. We cannot even prove that they used His name in rituals. Believing that His name had power, it was called invoking the name of God. So they removed His name from the Old Testament Scriptures.
Well most of the writers of the New Testament were Jewish. So it is speculated, since Yahweh’s name was removed from the Old Testament, they thought it was not proper to put Christ's name in the New Testament, so they did not write Yeshua’s name in the New Testament. More than one language was used in the writing of the New Testament....why not the Hebrew name for Christ? Still speculation.
You have to dig for the truth because most explanations will run you through a linguistic word game and some of which runs it through the Latin…LOL…and Latin has nothing to do with the name Yeshua. A good proof of this is, Christ's name was a common and popular name that appears in the Old Testament and history…LOL…but no one in history is named ἰησοῦς-Iesous because it is not a name, it is a word. The name Jesus does not appear until the 17th century....LOL....no one knew His name until the 17th century???!!!
Professors will tell you this, even the professors at Hebrew University in Jerusalem think it is humorous that Christians do not know Christ's name.
And there are other misconceptions, Christ is not Yeshua’s last name…LOL.....Jesus Christ? It should be written Yeshua the Messiah.
The humorous side of it is, if you translate the English word Jesus back to the Greek it means either hail Zeus phonically or hey horse in word.
Is it important? It is to me. As far as I am conserned you can call Him George if you want to. Did Satan play a game with us....the only name that can be called upon for Salvation! Now a days if Christians care they can know the names of God the Father and God the Son.....Because of people like me.
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“Christian theologians insistently divorced Jesus from Judaism on the basis of his religious teachings, which were consistently interpreted as a critique of Judaism rather than an expression of it.”
(Susannah Heschel, The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany, p. 33)
The trick exposed.
(Susannah Heschel, The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany, p. 33)
The trick exposed.
ButterflyJones
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It's only a trick if we don't see a G2R neo-Nazi for what they are.
G2R was not hiding anything. They were proud racists
“The Gospels overemphasized the Jewish role in Jesus’ crucifixion, and Jews are depicted as a bloodthirsty lynch mob that collaborated with Pilate.”
(Zina Rakhamilova, “No, the Jews did not kill Jesus”)
www.jpost.com
Published in The Jerusalem Post, yesterday.
The author of this opinion makes some good points in her article but this isn’t one of them. The fault is with the Church / Christianity, not with the Gospels.
(Zina Rakhamilova, “No, the Jews did not kill Jesus”)
No, the Jews did not kill Jesus - opinion
The decision to crucify Jesus ultimately rested with the Roman governor Pontius Pilate. The Gospels overemphasized the Jewish role in Jesus’ crucifixion.
www.jpost.com
Published in The Jerusalem Post, yesterday.
The author of this opinion makes some good points in her article but this isn’t one of them. The fault is with the Church / Christianity, not with the Gospels.
ButterflyJones
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Making transparently ineffective false apologies over 2000 years after the fact the Sanhedrin conspired with Pilate to murder Jesus is pathetic, Zina.“The Gospels overemphasized the Jewish role in Jesus’ crucifixion, and Jews are depicted as a bloodthirsty lynch mob that collaborated with Pilate.”
(Zina Rakhamilova, “No, the Jews did not kill Jesus”)
No, the Jews did not kill Jesus - opinion
The decision to crucify Jesus ultimately rested with the Roman governor Pontius Pilate. The Gospels overemphasized the Jewish role in Jesus’ crucifixion.
Published in The Jerusalem Post, yesterday.
The author of this opinion makes some good points in her article but this isn’t one of them. The fault is with the Church / Christianity, not with the Gospels.
At the time those complicit Jews cursed their future generations for that sin. Saying of Jesus, let his blood be upon our head and those of our children.
Given their history since that day to now, it appears God complied.
When a group of Jews conspire against a Catholic film maker for daring to make a movie about Jesus crucifixion, per the NT scriptures, so to call his project antisemitic, when that's actually a slur against our faith, it is time to call anti-Christian Jews what they are. Bigots! And even antichrists.
"I stand with Israel?"
Noooo.
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Pope Frances is not a Catholic truly and that's a fact !
Pope Frances may claim to be a RC but like most who claim to be Catholic, are not worthy of being a Catholic, nor even a true RC.
It's very sad to talk to many who claim to be RC ? for they are only Religious dupes with no true regard for Christ Jesus at all. They do not want to know Christ Jesus at all in fact, but for some religious dribble and Socialism as their one of their god's they idolise. Same with other Prots as well the same old lack of regard for Christ Jesus in fact.
Jesus was of the Jewish Tribe born of a Jewish mother in fact and anyone who claims otherwise is of Satan, many so called Jews ? reject Jesus is a Jew, that's were such steams from, 3rd rate so called Jews ! Idiots ! or fools !
Hitler called Jesus something other than Jesus ? i can not remember the name he call Jesus.
We still do not know totally what Hitlers real game was regarding their own Nazi religion, we are not allowed to know ? because most of that was hidden from the public but we can get bits of understanding of such and that such madness even predated the Jews.
How is that ! The Pope nowadays is not worthy of the Church and most RC don't know it in fact. for they are dupes !
How is that ! The people nowadays do not know jack really about the Nazis truly, by that i mean the very foundations that it was created on ? so that people could understand the true nature of such a beast ? so one could ID such working directly, if they sprouted up again in any form, it's somewhat like a virus one could say ? But the Powers that be have gone way out of there way so as the public will have no idea of where such a attempt is coming from or may come from !
One thing for sure is that such Satanic powers sure know how to play the majority of people and sure take them all for a ride in leading them astray ! They are masters of deception and creating delusions that's a fact.
The failure rate in Church attendance over the last 50 years proves that the Churches do not preach Christ Jesus in fact as the first and foremost in ones life and that everything then steams out from their forth ! For it is Christ Jesus that is the wellspring of ones real Life key direction, for this is the power that strengthens one. One will only become sick and weak outside of Christ Jesus and swallowed up by this world.
The Jews were lead astray by the ones who crept in unawares ?“The Gospels overemphasized the Jewish role in Jesus’ crucifixion, and Jews are depicted as a bloodthirsty lynch mob that collaborated with Pilate.”
(Zina Rakhamilova, “No, the Jews did not kill Jesus”)
No, the Jews did not kill Jesus - opinion
The decision to crucify Jesus ultimately rested with the Roman governor Pontius Pilate. The Gospels overemphasized the Jewish role in Jesus’ crucifixion.
Published in The Jerusalem Post, yesterday.
The author of this opinion makes some good points in her article but this isn’t one of them. The fault is with the Church / Christianity, not with the Gospels.
The story of the Vineyard points it all out for who is leading them astray, so God sent how many prophets and then his only begotten Son, now they had killed all of the Prophets and then they killed the Son ? So they were finished God kicked them out of the Land and the worthy Jews became the first Christians in fact.
ButterflyJones
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Francis cannot claim to be a Roman Catholic, nor has he.
Otherwise, he disavows his faith as what he is, a Jesuit.
Yes your correct. he is a toxic Jesuit as are all the top dog Jesuits are as cunning as an outhouse Rat, sure they may sound good but they have an underling stealth of Dog cunning. example Australia's PM M Turncoat and PM T Abbot are both Jesuit's. Great at lies and deceptions. The MSM love old mate Turncoat.
I remember the head of the Australian Jesuits years ago was saying that corruption came into the Order and changed total what it was all once about and he got kicked out for exposing such criminal intent that was building up within.
Just as a Jesuit should never become a Pope ! This was expressed by Pope JP2 and Pope Ben in fact.
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Yes I believe what you do. But first, what is a Jew? The name is shorted from Judah, i.e those who were from the tribe or nation of Judah. That's one of the 12 tribes. Next of all, we have all sorts of genealogies that trace Jesus back to Judah (c.f. Genesis 49:8-12). King David came from the tribe of Judah. Also the promises to King David of an eternal throne (e.g. 2 Samuel 7) to which ultimately even the angel said Jesus will inherit the throne of his father David (Luke 1:31-33). Next we have the apostles Peter attesting to Jesus' lineage to King David. (Acts 2:29-36) and Paul (2 Timothy 2:8). (This is not an exhaustive list, of course, but samples). These are not allegories or parables but statements of fact. So Jesus' lineage to King David to the lineage of Judah (from whence we get the word "Jew") is indisputable based on the Biblical record. The only way around this is to flatly deny or reinterpret the scriptures to fit one's notions. If that's the case, then we "can make the Bible say anything we want", a definite twisting that reminds me of the story in Matthew 4 demonstrated particularly by verse 3-4, 6-7, and 9-10 for examples of wresting scriptures and making say what one wants for their end. It's fruitless so we know the time is short so there's plenty of evidence I gave to you - run with it and redeem the time for Spiritual and fruitful endeavors. In short, I don't think there is a case against Jesus' Jewishness for you to study otherwise, but it's good you are open-minded.
“Only a criticism blinded by racial ideologies could deny the Jewish origin of Jesus.”
(Gunther Bornkamm, Jesus of Nazareth, p. 53)
Bornkamm was a German theologian; a professor in Nazi Germany. Though this was written after the war, he did not go along with the Christian movement in Germany which sought during the 1930’s and 1940’s to strip Jesus of his Jewishness.
(Gunther Bornkamm, Jesus of Nazareth, p. 53)
Bornkamm was a German theologian; a professor in Nazi Germany. Though this was written after the war, he did not go along with the Christian movement in Germany which sought during the 1930’s and 1940’s to strip Jesus of his Jewishness.
Jesus was not just a Jew: He was a Greater Jew.
"God with us", that is "God in a Greater Way"
I agree, but he is still a Jew. The purpose of this thread was to allow those who believe that he isn’t to present their case.
I’m not familiar with the phrase “a Greater Jew”. If I was going to say something along those lines I would probably say that he is “the greatest Jew”.
Thinking out loud: “God in a Greater Way” than who? Or what?
If you can address it without violating the Board policy, please do.
If you can’t address it without violating the Board policy, please don’t.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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Pope Frankie IS a JESUIT first and always and as such will promote only those beliefs which he will spin to make it sounds as if he is bowing down to only Jesus, our Savior or God the Father when he is not.
It would behoove a discussion on the Jesuits, but perhaps that would be an forbidden topic here???
There are far too many in American politics.
My adopted mom's dad was, for a brief time, a Palatine Guard at the Vatican back over 100 years ago,
He would always tell any who would listen to watch out for the round hats. (Meaning Jesuits, for that was a sign of identity)
His experience there turned him away from the church and when he came to America to raise the family
his wife and kids were very devout.... he was far distanced by then.
I could never understand the thing with Jesuits.
I went to a Jesuit College. Although my beliefs are vastly different from theirs, I loved it there. They wrote many of their own philosophy books.
We had to take theology of course, and I never heard anything that was problematic.
I know what history--some history and some folks say about them, but I loved all of my teachers.
BlessedPeace
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