Was Noah's flood global?
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amigo de christo
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That could have been a possobility as the water didn't only come from the sky but also from the ground. There is a theory that a water vapor canopy once covered the earth. It would have contributed to longer life spans and moderate temperatures year-round. Something may have caused the water vapor canopy to collapse, which would account for all the rain.
Try that old faithful source of biblical yet information, creation.com.
In particular:-
Creation.com/drowned-from-below
The author quotes from a new scientist article about water dissolved in rock under pressure.
Where did the water go?
Again an old, old problem see:-
Creation.com/how-did-the-waters-of-noahs-flood-drain
And :- Is There Enough Water On Earth To Cover It | Science-Atlas.com
Hope this helps.
Eternally Grateful
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one can not believe in basic science and believe in a local flood
9 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
if all the high hills under heaven and all the mountains were covered, and then add 15 cubits.
it was a global flood..
9 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
if all the high hills under heaven and all the mountains were covered, and then add 15 cubits.
it was a global flood..
For me it's a matter of knowing what the Bible says, and then just believing it. In this case, the Bible says all the hills under heaven were covered with water, so I just believe that is true, which tells me it was global.
Is there any reason in particular to not think this was a global flood?
Much love!
Ronald Nolette
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The flood was global. Barnes was not there and is writing his opinion while God who was there wrote His opinion. I trust God more than Barnes. Also, the geologic evidence for the global flood is overwhelming.
amigo de christo
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Ronald Nolette
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Big Big problem with that thought. the bible declares all the mountains were covered to a depth if fifteen cubits (c. 22 feet). If it was just a local or regional flood, as soon as the waters overtopped the local mountains- it would flow down the other side! You could not cover the mountains in a local flood.
amigo de christo
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Not to mention it makes it clear that the ENTIRE POPULATION of the earth was repopulated through NOAHS SONS .
Me thinks folks might just be coming in for other reasons . IF one can plant doubts
about the flood and make science appear more reasonable
Then one can also begin to plant more doubts about how the old views on the bible , the fundamental ones
Are indeed now wrong . We better watch out . cause once one begins to doubt on something
more doubt on other things will follow suit .
amigo de christo
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Dont let it be science nor the reasoning of the worlds wisdom .
Noahs sons . from them sprang the rest of us all . It was not like russia or
china missed the flood and had its own independent survivors . ALL of mankind was destroyed on the day of the flood .
All of it , cept noah and his wife and his sons and their wives .
Nor was their this eight day creation stuff . We all physically , according to the flesh came from noahs sons
who came from Adam and eve . its just that simple . Sure things might seem hard to understand
but GOD never told us , LEST YE KNOW IT all you cannot enter into the Kingdom of heaven .
Be encouraged my friend .
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Eternally Grateful
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Science
The earth itself (the fossil record) (the grand canyon) and many other things
Ronald Nolette
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I refer you to ICR.org. It is a Christian organization of scientists who hold at least a masters in their particular field of expertise. They have enormous amounts of videos and manuscripts as to why the flood was global and how what we see today all points to a global flood.
Also answers in Genesis is another group of swceintists who are Christian who have written and videoed enormous information about the flood and its global impact.
A LOCAL FLOOD THESIS WAS POPULARIZED IN THE MID TO LATE 1800'S BY CHRISTIANS WHO FELL PREY TO WHAT "SEEMED" LIKE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR LOCAL FLOODING.
amigo de christo
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Hello my friend . I need to warn us all about something .
Beware of this unity that many churches are now preaching . this finding common ground stuff .
This seeker friendly and all inclusive false love that is moving like wild fire among christendom .
IF we examine its love , we will see its wordly , it is false and not of GOD .
The idea is they are now calling certain sins LOVE and they are also making the claim that other religoins follow the same GOD we do .
IT is a lie . Always remember what the first men preached and how they did so .
They did not go about israel nor the world trying to say or even give the idea its fine to follow whatever religoin
so long as you have love . NO they preached the DIRE NEED to beleive on JESUS CHRIST .
and they even shook the dust off thier feet against those who rejected JESUS CHRIST . we cannot let this all inclusive false love
take over , it will destroy the souls of all who go under it and beleived its version of love .
Which though they do holler do good works , DENIES THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
THUS , it cometh of the dragon who can quoate things and say things LIKE GOD is love but HE is preaching another love
one that cannot save and will damn . IT WILL, HOWEVER UNIFY all religons and the world
under what they beleive is love . ONLY it aint love and it aint FROM GOD .
Beware it at all costs . No lamb trades in the gospel of JESUS CHRIST for a social all inclusive lie . Those who did so
NEVER KNEW HIM . This is the great delusion my friend . IT cometh in the name of love
and thus even an atheist can accept it . this love is the common ground of the world that every religoin can and will unite as one under .
FOR all religoins do basically teach do good works , YET all religoins are still false , CEPT true christanity.
The dragon is uniting all religoins , the faiths witin christendom and all the world as one
and he is doing it under the guise of love . WHICH as i said earlier , IT AINT GODLY LOVE and it aint FROM GOD either .
But it is highly deceptive for it will teach us to do good works . But it omits the dire need to BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
THUS that is NO LOVE . FOR GOD so loved the world that HE DID SEND HIS only begotten SON
that all who do BELEIVE , BELIEVE would not perish but have everlasting life .
But all who deny Him , will be damned . JESUS Didnt say GOD sent the SON so we can just live in sin and follow any ol religon
as long as we had some good works and love . Watch out cause this stuff creeps in small at first .
Ronald Nolette
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SOME EVIDENCES THAT ARE EMPIRICAL
Mt. St. Helens- left a scale model of the grand canyon in days not millenia with hundreds of sedimentary strata that according to secular science must take millenia to form.
Marine fossils on mountaintops.
Massive underground caves globally that held massive amounts water released in the flood.
Footprints fossilized. Massive fossils limped and thrown together by catastrophic means.
I say that the flood was all-encompassing; I believe the Bible ~ God, through Moses in this case ~ to be crystal clear on that. Maybe a question to be pondered is, did the land of the earth look like it does today? Or, the same question asked in a different way, were the lands situated upon the earth in the same way in Noah's day (before the time of the Tower of Babel and the result, the LORD's dispersing of the peoples over the face of all the earth [Genesis 11:8-9]) as they are now?
Grace and peace to all.
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The reason to believe that the Deluge occurred over the whole planet is this: the Bible says it.Right. I even take cues from you and weigh it
Gen. 7:23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth; only Noah and those with him in the ark survived.
1 Pet. 3:20 (...) God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.
Matt. 24:37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
There are proofs of a global deluge all around the planet. Atheists and others confound these proofs with other events they say occurred also in the past.
1) Marine fossils in high lands,
2) heavy transformations of the terrain all around the planet,
3) animals found frozen whose digestive condition shows they were surprised by a sudden catastrophe
4) agglomerations of hundreds of skeletons of non-native animals in remote caves,
5) stories of the flood in hundreds of ancient communities,
6) the fact that the diversity of civilizations and human language converge in the same area that coincides with the settlement of Noah and his family post- Deluge,
7) dozens of cities sunk in the depths of the sea
8) the fact that the time of the formation of modern civilizations coincides with the time that the Bible assigns to the event of the Flood, etc.
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