Was Noah's flood global?

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Truthnightmare

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Genesis 11:19-20
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.

Nope, it says mountains. Thus if it were a localized area, from the outside you'd see a 25 foot wall of water sitting on top of the mountains, which makes no sense whatsoever.

God said.
Genesis 7
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

The word earth

אֶרֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets

common (1), countries (15), countries and their lands (1), country (44), countryside (1), distance* (3), dust (1), earth (655), earth the ground (1), earth's (1), fail* (1), floor (1), ground (119), ex(1581), lands (57), lands have their land (2), open (1), other* (2), piece (1), plateau* (1), region (1), territories (1), wild (1), world (3).

Most of the time the word “erets” means land not earth.
 

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Did you not claim the above? Can you support your claim with one scholarly reference?
Gen 10:
[25] And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
 
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Genesis 6:


Was Noah's flood global?

No, according to Barnes:


Did Noah have marsupial kangaroos in the ark?

No, according to Barnes, it was not a worldwide flood but it looked like one to Noah. As far as Noah could tell, his world died. For all intents and purposes of the redemption story, it was a catastrophic/global event: all humans died except Noah's family. That's the point.

National Center for Science Education gives more detailed calculations:


There is also a parallel Babylonian Story of the Flood written in about 1750 BC. Both stories called for a world-wide flood to destroy mankind.
I think the evidence speaks for itself..
 
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God said.
Genesis 7
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

The word earth

אֶרֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets

common (1), countries (15), countries and their lands (1), country (44), countryside (1), distance* (3), dust (1), earth (655), earth the ground (1), earth's (1), fail* (1), floor (1), ground (119), ex(1581), lands (57), lands have their land (2), open (1), other* (2), piece (1), plateau* (1), region (1), territories (1), wild (1), world (3).

Most of the time the word “erets” means land not earth.
while this is true

It still says the water prevailed 15 cubits over the mountains.

That high, the whole "land" would be covered
 
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while this is true

It still says the water prevailed 15 cubits over the mountains.

That high, the whole "land" would be covered
I believe the waters prevailed over all the mountains of the land.

Let me ask you, in Genesis 10
Who are these Gentiles?
5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every in one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Are they part of Noah’s family? why is there different languages? Why were these people not destroyed in the flood?
 

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I believe the waters prevailed over all the mountains of the land.

Let me ask you, in Genesis 10
Who are these Gentiles?
5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every in one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Are they part of Noah’s family? why is there different languages? Why were these people not destroyed in the flood?
You tell me..

Gen 10: 1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. 3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, [a]Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and [b]Dodanim. 5 From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

They were sons of Japeth. who was the son of Noah.

thats what happens when you cut up a passage and do not look at the whole.
 

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You tell me..

Gen 10: 1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. 3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, [a]Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and [b]Dodanim. 5 From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

They were sons of Japeth. who was the son of Noah.

thats what happens when you cut up a passage and do not look at the whole.
Are you insinuating the sons of Japeth spoken a different language, than Noah?
 

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Are you insinuating the sons of Japeth spoken a different language, than Noah?
I am just saying what the bible said.

These "gentiles" were sons of japeth.

also know. the gentiles came after God changed the languages at the tower of babel.. and scattered the people through the earth.
 

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I am just saying what the bible said.

These "gentiles" were sons of japeth.

also know. the gentiles came after God changed the languages at the tower of babel.. and scattered the people through the earth.
Gentiles are mentioned in Genesis 10 the Tower of Babel is spoken of in Genesis 11.
 

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Gentiles are mentioned in Genesis 10 the Tower of Babel is spoken of in Genesis 11.
Gen 10 is what we call a family tree or a geneology, It is not limited to time.

It also says this fact.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, [a]Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and [b]Dodanim.

5 From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.


There was one language up until the time of babel in Gen 11

Gen 11: 1 Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.

so the fact that the gentiles were seperated according to their language proves this occured after Gen 11
 

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I think the evidence speaks for itself..
Then put your money where your mouth (evidence) is. See If you think that Noah's flood was global, then bet on it
 

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Commentators generally agree that "the earth was divided" refers to the people of the earth being divided into nations and languages.

Okay, what you say commentators generally agree…

Perhaps some commentators and myself are in agreement…coun’t say, I rather focus my agreement with Scripture.

People were dividing (or otherwise moving about from one place to another), BEFORE the EARTH was divided.
People are not the EARTH.
THE “Earth” depicts ONE mass of dry land.
THE “EARTH DIVIDED” depicts “THE” Earth Separating.

Any person familiar with traveling, with maps can observe and experience Separate DRY LAND(S), they being DIVIDED and SEPARATED by WATER.

The beauty of FREEWILL is no man is required to Agree with an other.

Gen 1(a):
[10] And God called the dry land Earth;

Gen 2:
[1] Thus the heavens (plural) and the earth (singular)were finished, and all the host of them.

Gen 10:
[25] And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
 

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Perhaps some commentators and myself are in agreement…coun’t say, I rather focus my agreement with Scripture.
I put some weight on your argument. In fact, that is why I am not ignoring you :) Do you put any weight on the commentators' arguments?
 

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I put some weight on your argument. In fact, that is why I am not ignoring you :) Do you put any weight on the commentators' arguments?
Couldn’t say, I don’t know them, I don’t read them.
 

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Couldn’t say, I don’t know them, I don’t read them.
 

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I believe the text says hillsides not mountains. Also, this would mean all people would be of Noah, which seems to create problems within itself. But basically I believe the reason for the Flood was solely to kill the Giants in Gen 6:1-8, whom were the abominable to God, offspring of Adam's daughters and the fallen angels.
Well let us look at what God said about it:

Genesis 6:5-7

King James Version

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 7:17-24

King James Version

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

Problem with the local flood false hypothesis is that animals would flee and so wouldn't people if the waters were just desatroying a specific area. Birds can fly and most land animals have an instinct to flee when calamity is approaching.

Also as it rained and the fountains of the deep were gushing water for forty days- people could flee as well to another region, so that idea doesn't hold water ( all pun intended).

As for teh high hills and mountains both hills and mountains is the word "har" and mean mountains and mountain ranges.

Once again they were covered by 22 1/2 feet of water. A local flood will not cover mountains by 22 1/2 feet of water. The water would just flow down the other sides of the mountains in to the next lower areas!
 
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Our Bibles read different, my Bible says land, not earth, and hillsides not mountains.
Well we must go back to the Hebrew. Land is "eretz" and can mean ground, a plot of land, a nation, or the world- context determines meaning. Hills and mountains is the same word in hebrew "har"

Once again, a regional flood will not cover hills by 22 1/2 feet of water! As soon as water reaches the tops oif hills or mountains, it will flow down to the empty other side, not cover the top.
 

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Well we must go back to the Hebrew. Land is "eretz" and can mean ground, a plot of land, a nation, or the world- context determines meaning. Hills and mountains is the same word in hebrew "har"

Once again, a regional flood will not cover hills by 22 1/2 feet of water! As soon as water reaches the tops oif hills or mountains, it will flow down to the empty other side, not cover the top.
That all depends on location, the area being spoken of is the Tarim Basim, which is shaped like a bowl. There is also much documentation from the Asians cultures about a flood that took place but did not reach them.

Moreover, in Genesis 4 we have the genealogy of Cain. (Kenites)
In Genesis 5 we have the genealogy of Adam.

If the flood was worldwide and destroyed everyone but 8 Adamic souls, you would no longer see the kenites mentioned in scripture.
But you do, this dismisses any notion of the flood being worldwide.
 

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Moreover, in Genesis 4 we have the genealogy of Cain. (Kenites)
In Genesis 5 we have the genealogy of Adam.

If the flood was worldwide and destroyed everyone but 8 Adamic souls, you would no longer see the kenites mentioned in scripture.
But you do, this dismisses any notion of the flood being worldwide.
I can't find that in the geneologies, can you point me to the passage?

Thank you!

Much love!